Chapter Tower of God Chapter 531 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

Shin Translation

Edit @Lady pompom @Demonspeed pin please

 

[Enryuu]

Lol, what? Baam is tens of times stronger than when he overpowered data Z, and he didn't even bring out hhhis complete horns, ignition, or the Black March yet, Bam easily took Kallavans hand, Mas finds it hard to even pierce Jinsung. What's she gonna do lol.
Bam would smash her smug face in, sorry.

We can not say for sure that Mas can’t pierce Jinsung. When they fought her goal was not to kill him but to inform him about kallavan go after Baam. And we have seen her act a lot. I think she was acting and pretending that she can’t hurt him or her acting like Baam is not a big deal enough to side with him, but just a pawn. I think those are all acts so she can get what she wants and that is all out war and chaos.
When If you think about it now her steps make sense.
1) make Jinsung ha go after kallavan and delay him
2) after kallavan is delayed, capture him (I think she could have done this even without Kallavan weakening him before)
3) use Jinsung to get Baam to the nest
4) use Baam to get what is in the suspendium
5) don’t get what is sealed there cuz Baam’s gonna keep it
6) war

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

• Haland destroyed Jinsung's sleeves and pushed him back.
• Maschenny failed to damage Jinsung's clothes and did not push him back.

Mad faced JH alone and took two attacks directly from him, Haland's sneak attack pales in comparison.

There are a lot of facts. I covered them extensively in this thread:

Except that most of what is there doesn't even count as facts. Why would anyone believe a thing that Mas says?
What we need are battle feats. Either live or recorded. Nothing shown suggests that Mas is even close to post-White Baam.

 

[Cinera]

Well, from what I've said Leviathan has not met those two so it can't say anything about them. And when he says stronger than anybody, it does not necessarily mean everybody literally. When you include billions of creatures, a few exceptions are not mentioned at all.

Anyway, obviously, it's an arrogant creature but its arrogance is not baseless. This arrogance says about its power.

It declared that it was above the Irregulars lol:

Everything inside the Tower was under my power, and that included everything from the ancient times, or even outside the Tower.

There's no room for "a few exceptions" when you're speaking about the Irregulars.

Mas finds it hard to even pierce Jinsung.

Discussion - Maschenny never fought Jinsung Seriously on the 91st Floor

Introduction This should go without saying, but Maschenny was never at the 91st Floor to fight with Jinsung. Jinsung's Commentary Jinsung comments on how she's not fighting seriously: Exhibit He then asks what she's after, saying that she acted like she was attacking him but had never...

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What's she gonna do lol.
Bam would smash her smug face in, sorry.

Discussion - Maschenny Zahard is an Incredibly Big Deal

Disclaimer This is a pretty long read, so it may be best to read it in bits over multiple sessions. Introduction Maschenny's status in the Tower of God world is incredibly rarefied. Of the Regular High Rankers we've been introduced to so far, she occupies perhaps the highest status of them...

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Why would anyone believe a thing that Mas says?

Sounds like cope. You don't want to accept Maschenny's portrayal, so you deny it. Most of the scenes that portray her so highly aren't statements from Maschenny anyway.

What we need are battle feats. Either live or recorded. Nothing shown suggests that Mas is even close to post-White Baam.

Maschenny hasn't had any serious fight, so this is silly.

Luslec, Adori, Baek Ryun, Molic One, the Ha Twins, the Regents of the Great Families, Hagipherione, etc. don't have any battle feats either. Would you say that they are not "even close to post-White Baam"?

Her portrayal is well beyond Post White Baam though.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

You don't want to accept Maschenny's portrayal, so you deny it. Most of the scenes that portray her so highly aren't statements from Maschenny anyway.

At the end of the day, portrayal doesn't win the battle lol! You can say whatever you want about Mas but without hard and solid facts, it's just weak speculation.

Luslec, Adori, Baek Ryun, Molic One, the Ha Twins, the Regents of the Great Families, Hagipherione, etc. don't have any battle feats either. Would you say that they are not "even close to post-White Baam"?

They have a well defined ranking which wasn't earned by portrayal but solid feats. In the absence of a ranking, the next best thing are battle feats not portrayal.

 

[Fun]

Your Leviathan rationale makes no sense! It was hatched from one of the eggs that was stored inside the Nest!

Nothing indicates that he hatched that thing from one of the eggs at the Nest.

I was talking in the realm of possibility tho. Traum birthed me could be taken into metaphorical sense.

It didn't mean he hatched that thing, and it could mean that he had borne Leviathan, the demon of envy, as a byproduct of his punishment on it.

You noticed that its original nature didn't include immortality, but it got its perk due to the punishment from Traum combined with its hatred.

• New information is ceteris paribus more trustworthy than old information.
  • SIU has already retconned some of Maschenny's earlier information about the Frozen Waterfall.
    • Time does not stand still in the Frozen Waterfall.
    • It can apparently be operated more frequently than once a year.
  • He very well could have changed his mind in the two years since Maschenny first spoke about the Frozen Waterfall.
• AA specifically addressed Maschenny saying that she doesn't know what's inside.
  • He said that even though she claims not to know what's inside, she seems certain about it.
• AA also said that the thing Maschenny wanted was most likely Leviathan.
• AA is rarely wrong on these things

Of course, new information is more relevant to the story. With a condition thought.

In a case like Imort, Siu already retconned it. But we can't apply that in this case.

She seems certain about how powerful or important the thing/item was, which doesn't translate that she knew what was inside.

AA said she was pretty set on that thing. He didn't specify what was inside the Vault. He only knew in general that what she wanted was pretty important/powerful in this context.

Mas already knew that there's some powerful item/thing in that Vault. There's no denying it. But the point is that knowing what was stored inside is questionable/reach at best.

the reason is:

1. Zahard gave that Vault to the LPB family. Under normal circumstances, only the higher up of LPB has access to that Vault.
2. This territory falls under LPB jurisdiction. No one can access it except the LPB higher up, and with a good reason.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Why would Baam allow White to consume Traum’s soul instead of devouring it himself?

Why are we already speaking of Rei soul ?

You guys are going way too far .

Thanks for the info, but this wouldn't work.

• Wave Controllers are traditionally named after waves or bodies of water.
  • See Gustang's "Lonely/Aloof Wave"
  • Maybe Baam will be named "Tsunami" or similar.
• Some Irregulars are named in a special fashion.
  • Enryu was called the Red Tower because he turned the Tower's shinsu red when he appeared.
    • Baam creates black rain, so maybe he'll be the Black Tower.
  • Zahard is named "King of the Tower".
    • If Baam kills Zahard, then maybe "King Slayer".
    • If Baam kills one of the Family Leader's then maybe "God Slayer" or "God's Bane".
  • Baam has been foreshadowed to be "the worst monster of all" and a monster that will devour the Tower.
    • Maybe he'll be given the name of some evil deity hell bent on destruction.

If Baam fails to tame Leviathan, all that will happen is that it will become another one of Maschenny's pawns.

The chances of Leviathan hurting her in any form are nonexistent.

Hell, Jinsung said that she's a massive serpent too big to remain in the sea:

(Line chose to use "python", but some translations use "dragon" and some use "Leviathan").


I've said it before, but between Traumerei and Maschenny, if anyone dies at the Nest, it'll be Traumerei.

If we listenened to you , Maschenny is the promised child and the protagonist .

So a being that even current Baam find it supra dangerous , uncontrollable by a FH and that can look down on any beats would be a pawn to Maschenny ?

and now if Someone has to die between LPB FH and Maschenny it would be Maschenny ?

I don't know what weed you smoke but

She could have been. Maschenny is stronger than Baam regardless though.



That's a complete distortion of what I said.



Nope. If current Baam goes at Maschenny seriously, he'd get wrecked.

If Baam successfully tames Leviathan, things will be different.



Because she has never fought seriously.

Haland arguably has better feats than Maschenny, this is frankly irrelevant.

SO you have no idea how strong Baam is and how maschenny is and you still Baam under her ?

SIU is not going to write Jinsung of all people hyping Maschenny like that just to destroy her in the same arc.

Jinsung is the same person that berated her as a delusional, reckless, ignorant and arrogant child throughout Season 2.



Not really.

It predicted that the "arrogant people" would be swallowed up in the tidal wave of the New Era.

I think that arrogant people refers to the current rulers of the Tower. The 10 Family Leaders and their direct descendants. King Zahard and his Princesses.

It was never directed at Maschenny in particular or even Maschenny especially.


The arrogant person that will be swallowed up by the tidal wave of the New Era at the Nest is Traumerei not Maschenny.




Maschenny's role in the story does not permit her to be defeated so soon. And she's not even planning on fighting against Baam.




There are a lot of facts. I covered them extensively in this thread:

Discussion - Maschenny Zahard is an Incredibly Big Deal

Disclaimer This is a pretty long read, so it may be best to read it in bits over multiple sessions. Introduction Maschenny's status in the Tower of God world is incredibly rarefied. Of the Regular High Rankers we've been introduced to so far, she occupies perhaps the highest status of them...

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There is no fact , only jinsung saying thing , as far as we know what he said could be attributed to her scheming ability for example .

In fact if you make sense , you can see that there is very little chance that Maschenny would a chance to demonstrate her strenght

It declared that it was above the Irregulars lol:


There's no room for "a few exceptions" when you're speaking about the Irregulars.

Discussion - Maschenny never fought Jinsung Seriously on the 91st Floor

Introduction This should go without saying, but Maschenny was never at the 91st Floor to fight with Jinsung. Jinsung's Commentary Jinsung comments on how she's not fighting seriously: Exhibit He then asks what she's after, saying that she acted like she was attacking him but had never...

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Discussion - Maschenny Zahard is an Incredibly Big Deal

Disclaimer This is a pretty long read, so it may be best to read it in bits over multiple sessions. Introduction Maschenny's status in the Tower of God world is incredibly rarefied. Of the Regular High Rankers we've been introduced to so far, she occupies perhaps the highest status of them...

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Sounds like cope. You don't want to accept Maschenny's portrayal, so you deny it. Most of the scenes that portray her so highly aren't statements from Maschenny anyway.


Maschenny hasn't had any serious fight, so this is silly.

Luslec, Adori, Baek Ryun, Molic One, the Ha Twins, the Regents of the Great Families, Hagipherione, etc. don't have any battle feats either. Would you say that they are not "even close to post-White Baam"?

Her portrayal is well beyond Post White Baam though.

This is ridiculous , we have thye ranking but not maschenny this is why we wait for her feat and you jump to conclusion .

Maschenny is a weakling not stronger than Yuri , she has to use her scheme against Yuri because she can't beat her .

Same here , Maschenny clearly can't fight and she is only someone who has brain , it is clear that because she knew that she was nothing against FH , She stoped training and she is now not that strong .

I think Karaka is coming close to his level .

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She is a pathetic weakling , who can only use her brain and if Jinsung was any serious she would have died .

You know king in one punch man , she is like him so she need to be careful not to get one shotted by Jinsung .

In fact she likely delivered the leviathan because she was afraid of it , she she needed Baam help to save her .

She is the weakest 13 months princess , that is why she target Yuri , because Yuri is the youngest , but because Yuri is no coward she didn't back down and she failed .

Everyone real 13 months princess look down on her , and she only got her position because she is the central power of her family .

Jinsung likely called to big for the sea , because he felt the leviathan aura in her , when she tryied to meet it .

She is the only Khun jahad princess , because she used father autority , and Maria had to ally with hagipherione jahad because Maschenny would have called her dad , because she would have felt threatened by Maria .

Rei is currently looking down on Maschenny and her little scheme with his fate like ability .

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It declared that it was above the Irregulars lol:


There's no room for "a few exceptions" when you're speaking about the Irregulars.

Discussion - Maschenny never fought Jinsung Seriously on the 91st Floor

Introduction This should go without saying, but Maschenny was never at the 91st Floor to fight with Jinsung. Jinsung's Commentary Jinsung comments on how she's not fighting seriously: Exhibit He then asks what she's after, saying that she acted like she was attacking him but had never...

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Discussion - Maschenny Zahard is an Incredibly Big Deal

Disclaimer This is a pretty long read, so it may be best to read it in bits over multiple sessions. Introduction Maschenny's status in the Tower of God world is incredibly rarefied. Of the Regular High Rankers we've been introduced to so far, she occupies perhaps the highest status of them...

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Sounds like cope. You don't want to accept Maschenny's portrayal, so you deny it. Most of the scenes that portray her so highly aren't statements from Maschenny anyway.


Maschenny hasn't had any serious fight, so this is silly.

Luslec, Adori, Baek Ryun, Molic One, the Ha Twins, the Regents of the Great Families, Hagipherione, etc. don't have any battle feats either. Would you say that they are not "even close to post-White Baam"?

Her portrayal is well beyond Post White Baam though.

She didn't have any fight like king in OPM a coincidence ? I think not ?

Same there are only statement and never any fight , weird right ? She is the king of TOG .

If Baam come she would have to behave , and begin to serve him .

The truth is BAam is a irregular that most faction want and , she would dream of being BAam pawn .

 

[Cinera]

At the end of the day, portrayal doesn't win the battle lol! You can say whatever you want about Mas but without hard and solid facts, it's just weak speculation.

Her portrayal is based on hard and solid facts. But keep coping, I wouldn't be the person to ruin your fun.

They have a well defined ranking which wasn't earned by portrayal but solid feats. In the absence of a ranking, the next best thing are battle feats not portrayal.

No, their Ranking was not earned by feats. You can't cite noteworthy feats for them to earn their Ranking lol.

And these guys don't have Rankings: the Ha Twins, the Regents of the Great Families.

They are placed so high because of their portrayal.

Mas already knew that there's some powerful item/thing in that Vault. There's no denying it. But the point is that knowing what was stored inside is questionable/reach at best.

the reason is:

1. Zahard gave that Vault to the LPB family. Under normal circumstances, only the higher up of LPB has access to that Vault.
2. This territory falls under LPB jurisdiction. No one can access it except the LPB higher up, and with a good reason.

There are many explanations for why Maschenny could know what was sealed inside the Frozen Waterfall:

• It was mentioned in one of the Ancient books she read.
• She was told by one of the Lo Po Bia higher ups.
• She was told by Zahard or someone else in the Zahard Family.
• Repellista found it out for her via the Opera.
• The Boss told her.
• Gustang told her.
• Etc.

AA saying that even though Maschenny claims to not know what's sealed inside, she seems certain about it heavily suggests that she does in fact know what was sealed inside.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Her portrayal is based on hard and solid facts. But keep coping, I wouldn't be the person to ruin your fun.



No, their Ranking was not earned by feats. You can't cite noteworthy feats for them to earn their Ranking lol.

And these guys don't have Rankings: the Ha Twins, the Regents of the Great Families.

They are placed so high because of their portrayal.




There are many explanations for why Maschenny could know what was sealed inside the Frozen Waterfall:

• It was mentioned in one of the Ancient books she read.
• She was told by one of the Lo Po Bia higher ups.
• She was told by Zahard or someone else in the Zahard Family.
• Repellista found it out for her via the Opera.
• The Boss told her.
• Gustang told her.
• Etc.

AA saying that even though Maschenny claims to not know what's sealed inside, she seems certain about it heavily suggests that she does in fact know what was sealed inside.

Name those battle feats ?

 

[Turtle hunter]

Maschenny can only scheme and can't fight .

 

[Sanity Check]

Leviathan: "Daddy, is that you? Are you my daddy?"

Traumerei: "Yes, my son. It is I."

Leviathan: "No. You are not the daddy."

Baam: "I hear a voice."

Leviathan: "Daddy! its you! You've finally come!"

 

[Turtle hunter]

You deleted you post , but know the people you mentionned , we actually have no idea how strong they are .

SOme say Adori is at irregular level , other think that she is the strongest non irregular .

The fact is that we don't know whether she is overhyped of underhyped but you act as if you know how strong she is .

No you don't know how strong Baam is , he practically ni diffed White , and he wasn't strong enough to show the full extent of Baam power .

 

[Cinera]

Name those battle feats ?

I did not say that Maschenny has battle feats. I said she has very high portrayal that's worthy of placing her so high.

If we listenened to you , Maschenny is the promised child and the protagonist .

So a being that even current Baam find it supra dangerous , uncontrollable by a FH and that can look down on any beats would be a pawn to Maschenny ?

Baam is himself a pawn to Maschenny.

and now if Someone has to die between LPB FH and Maschenny it would be Maschenny ?

Yes. Traumerei can actually die at the Nest. Leviathan foreshadowed his death. Maschenny cannot. Her role in the story extends well past the Nest.

SO you have no idea how strong Baam is and how maschenny is and you still Baam under her ?

I have a good idea how strong Baam is, and Maschenny is even further beyond.

Hell, SIU said that he was powering up Baam in order to tell the stories of the Great Families and Zahard Princesses:

Season 3 Episode 95 Blog Post

"This Nest Arc is... I think of this arc as... one where it progresses a bit more bit by bit for the sake of the conflict with the main forces...

Each wall has different enemies and different forces at play, Baam needs to level up quicker, and as the person that has to make that progression happen, this arc hurts my head, as well as make things difficult for my mentally and physically in a lot of ways.

However, if I don't do this, I do wonder if I will be able to cover the 10 Families or the Princesses of Zahard... so this is a difficult question."

This is ridiculous , we have thye ranking but not maschenny this is why we wait for her feat and you jump to conclusion .

We don't have Rankings for any these people:

• Flux
• Yeon Ilarde
• Ari Chun
• Lightpen
• Quadrado
• Arie Horn Zahard
• Ha Twins
• Other Regents of the Great Families

All of them have the portrayal to be stronger than current Baam.

She is the weakest 13 months princess , that is why she target Yuri , because Yuri is the youngest , but because Yuri is no coward she didn't back down and she failed .

Maschenny is canonically one of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:

If Baam come she would have to behave , and begin to serve him .

Baam came and she told Baam that he was to weak to ally with her, so he should become her pawn instead:

Spoiler

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

Her portrayal is based on hard and solid facts. But keep coping, I wouldn't be the person to ruin your fun.

How does that help? Till there are actual battle feats, it's all just weak speculation. You just seem desperate to protect your head cannon from real facts

No, their Ranking was not earned by feats. You can't cite noteworthy feats for them to earn their Ranking lol.

No, but the ranking administration can lol!

 

[Turtle hunter]

I did not say that Maschenny has battle feats. I said she has very high portrayal that's worthy of placing her so high.



Baam is himself a pawn to Maschenny.



Yes. Traumerei can actually die at the Nest. Leviathan foreshadowed his death. Maschenny cannot. Her role in the story extends well past the Nest.



I have a good idea how strong Baam is, and Maschenny is even further beyond.

Hell, SIU said that he was powering up Baam in order to tell the stories of the Great Families and Zahard Princesses:

Season 3 Episode 95 Blog Post




We don't have Rankings for any these people:

• Flux
• Yeon Ilarde
• Ari Chun
• Lightpen
• Quadrado
• Arie Horn Zahard
• Ha Twins
• Other Regents of the Great Families

All of them have the portrayal to be stronger than current Baam.



Maschenny is canonically one of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:

Baam came and she told Baam that he was to weak to ally with her, so he should become her pawn instead:

Spoiler

Nope portrayal is not enough to judge someone strenght .

According to her portrayal , we know she is top 100 , but we don't actually have any idea where she could be .

The same way Adori or Enne level is very difficult to judge , are they close to irregular , superior to irregular or far below irregular , can she evn fight guy like Luslec ? We don't know .

Same here , we have been debating for long on the level of guy like Molic or Luslec .

If we went by portrayal alone , Slayers should be top 50 , but they don't seem to .

Leviathan is no one , and can't foreshadow anyone death .

You guys are all saying Rei is going to be injured or even dying , that guy is a irregular and him dying or suffering a heavy loss on his first arc is actually ridiculous .

Same for ancient one , guy like Jubei think they can be a threat for irregular , but i disagree .

In the end , Jubei think they can be really strong but we don't know .

Everyone interpret portrayal differently and in the end only the story will say who is right and wrong .

Fact is that if Maschenny don't fight , saying that Baam is below is based on nothing .

White is top 100 , and even among top 100 , shouldn't be trash .

Baam actually nearly no diff him , that mean he is very close to her or her equal . EVen Maschenny couldn't deal with current Baam easily and you act as if she can .

Baam is actually a legend just by his strength , and no one oustide the top 30 could look down on her .

Maschenny is strong but i don't see why put down Baam so much for her .

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So data Ascencio saying Maschenny is one of the strongest 13 months , mean it is canon ?

She the regular trash saying Parakwell is the strongest species make it canon too .

How was Baam too. weak to ally with her ?

Baam is easily top 100 and likely coming close to top 50 .

How is that weak to MAschenny ?

 

[Cinera]

How does that help? Till there are actual battle feats, it's all just weak speculation. You just seem desperate to protect your head cannon from real facts

This is called sheer cope.

No, but the ranking administration can lol!

We don't have Rankings for any these people:

• Flux
• Yeon Ilarde
• Ari Chun
• Lightpen
• Quadrado
• Arie Horn Zahard
• Ha Twins
• Other Regents of the Great Families

All of them have the portrayal to be stronger than current Baam.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

This is called sheer cope.

Better than being a delusional simp. How can you not tell apart facts from your opinions?

We don't have Rankings for any these people:

• Flux
• Yeon Ilarde
• Ari Chun
• Lightpen
• Quadrado
• Arie Horn Zahard
• Ha Twins
• Other Regents of the Great Families

All of them have the portray

We haven't even seen anyone of these people. Till we either get a ranking or see a battle feat, everything said about them is speculative. But at least other people realize this except you

 

[Fun]

There are many explanations for why Maschenny could know what was sealed inside the Frozen Waterfall:

• It was mentioned in one of the Ancient books she read.
• She was told by one of the Lo Po Bia higher ups.
• She was told by Zahard or someone else in the Zahard Family.
• Repellista found it out for her via the Opera.
• The Boss told her.
• Gustang told her.
• Etc.

AA saying that even though Maschenny claims to not know what's sealed inside, she seems certain about it heavily suggests that she does in fact know what was sealed inside.

Why did the LPB higher-ups tell her about the powerful item in the Vault? What's the urgency to tell her about that? The top-secret information of their family to the outsider likes her.

Repellista? The question is, how could she find it when the Vault which contained the powerful thing/item itself, was heavily guarded by the LPB family under normal circumstances. Anyway She lacked
the capability to do that.

He's likely wasn't affiliated with her. The boss himself was only seen when he met Dowon and Cha, and neither of them affiliated with the empire.

Gustang ? so the point that she works for herself is void then. As you pointed out, he is her benefactor, the one who told her about the beast.

In general, the ancient books told her about the war. The beast wasn't specifically about Leviathan unless the information about the beast at the Nest was available to the empire, which is doubtful due to its importance to the LPB family.

Mas only got the general information about how powerful/important the thing was.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Better than being a delusional simp. How can you not tell apart facts from your opinions?




We haven't even seen anyone of these people. Till we either get a ranking or see a battle feat, everything said about them is speculative. But at least other people realize this except you

Yep there is current about how strong they are and whether they deserve they ranking and we just admit that we need real fight portrayal to decude they strenght but @Cinera refuse to let her have real feat before making fact about her strength .

This is why @Cinera you need to use people word , to make statement because you have no actual data .

I can pull right now feats , that show that Baam is stronger than Kallavan and no one will dispute , but you can't , you will have to show indirect evidence of people saying something .

You can see that even yourself , don't even have any idea off her strenght .

One time you said that her plus ascencio and icardi could stall Rei , after you backtracked by saying she is not that far from princess like Hagi .

You too can't say how strong she is , there is amassive difference between stalling Rei with Icardi and ascencio and being among the top princess , and it show that you too have no idea of they strength and that it is all speculation .

So @Cinera before putting people who have clear fact like Baam , and saying they are clearly than Maschenny without any evidence and they were not worthy of being her ally without any evidence , why don't you just wait before making those statement and looking like a fool by constantly posting picture of people saying without showing any real fight .

I mean even irregular strength and ancient one strengh is debated and we put it hold because we don't have any clear fight and evidence and we only have the ranking .

But you , seems so sure about where she stand and that Baam can't fight at all .

Right now , i can pull a picture showing Baam is for stronger than White or someone like Kallavan .

Fact is that Baam nearly no diffed White and we don't even know how much off his strength , he used , what tell you that if he faced Maschenny he couldn't have pomped more power from that orb and and do something crazier ? You don't know .

You seem most people don't debate if she is strong or not , we all pretty much know she is likely to be very strong , but we don't say it because there is no clear evidence , but you keep bringing vague statement about people who didn't really saw Maschenny fight .

Show battle fight , if not stop bringing quote of people .

If i was like you , what prevent me from saying that if Evankhell went all out and was not limited by any guardian , she could beat any top 30 ?

 

[Cinera]

Nope portrayal is not enough to judge someone strenght .

According to her portrayal , we know she is top 100 , but we don't actually have any idea where she could be .

According to her portrayal she is:

Someone above the Corps Commanders:

Spoiler

"Like the Pinnacle of the Tower":

Spoiler

One of the strongest 13 Month Princesses:

Spoiler

Someone whose strength Zahard himself acknowledged:

Spoiler

Immensely stronger than elite Branch Leaders like Asensio:

Spoiler

Comparable to the Zahard Army and the Great Families:

Spoiler

Far bigger than Jinsung could have ever imagined:

Spoiler

If we went by portrayal alone , Slayers should be top 50 , but they don't seem to .

Slayers don't have Top 50 portrayal.

All of FUG has been depicted as being inferior to the Army of Zahard.

Baam actually nearly no diff him , that mean he is very close to her or her equal . EVen Maschenny couldn't deal with current Baam easily and you act as if she can .

The Baam that defeated White is still much weaker than Maschenny.

And Baam did not beat White at nearly no difficulty. It was a very solid medium difficulty fight until Baam tried to absorb White's power.

Baam is actually a legend just by his strength , and no one oustide the top 30 could look down on her .

Maschenny is strong but i don't see why put down Baam so much for her .

She said it herself that Baam is too weak to side with her and was only fit to become a pawn.

So data Ascencio saying Maschenny is one of the strongest 13 months , mean it is canon ?

Yes. You can cope all you want, but it doesn't change it.

Baam is easily top 100 and likely coming close to top 50 .

How is that weak to MAschenny ?

Because Maschenny is much stronger than the likes of White.

 

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Let's hope khun and rak doesn't get a piece of leviathan by using firefish just when baam devours leviathan...