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Nakaba baiting me with Isolde resembling Elizabeth slightly... bruh can we just see the Queen & Prince already instead of wasting time on these clearly fodder characters

Not going to lie, I'm really not interested in these new characters. This wasn't much of a good first impression.

Percy's "naive molester/groping" gag being our first intro to Isolde is pretty bad
I'm pretty much of the same opinion. Isolde being introduced with a ''Oh my god the main male character groped me!'' trope is so overused, problematic and honestly creepy. I already do not care for her character and what's disturbing is that Nakaba's FIRST WORDS for Isolde to say are the fact that she's saving herself for marriage. Sigh...

Can we all finally address that Percival is a literal child and the fact that Nakaba keeps putting him into sexual situations is really uncomfortable to read, especially when it's edging on blatant ****** at times. We had Percival grope literal breasts in the bath, and now directly sniffing a woman's covered crotch. Like, can we stop with the low-key pedophilia? It was no different with the beginning of 7DS where Mel would grope Elizabeth almost every single chapter, and it got uncomfortable to watch very quickly and I didn't actually take the series seriously until Nakaba fully dropped the ''Let's sexually harass females for comedic relief lmfao''

Then again, Nakaba writes females for romance only, suppose I should expect them to just be objects of sexual harassment to underage boys at this point.

It's like I want to enjoy this series, but then I remember the dreadful treatment Taizai got and how half of the cast was mistreated or blatantly only used for the purpose of one character in particular. And I'm seeing the same pattern happening with 4KOTA already.
 

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What do you think about this? (found it on Reddit)
Fans always end up disappointed when they think their headcanon will coincide with Nakaba's. This is what made the fandom the saltiest in this section.

Nakaba is inspired by the Arhurian Legends and that's it.
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New poll!
 

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Tristan has brought the 4th KOTA with him, but apparently something is not quite right about him. It could be that he doesn't actually have his prophesized power yet, which would work well with the idea that Gawain is the last KOTA. Maybe we'll see how Sunshine chooses its hosts soon, and perhaps in such a way that Mael is there to witness it like in the sketches for the sequel. Something being wrong with the last KOTA sounds like a good way to pace their debuts. This way Tristan can be the highlight of the next big action sequence and the final KOTA will then get the spotlight a little bit later.

I wouldn't be so sure about Isolde being King and Diane's daughter. The only real piece of evidence pointing towards that is that she's tall, but her height isn't that unusual in this series. She doesn't even seem to be as tall as Ban, let alone Doronach who was like twice as tall as the average man. If normal humans can grow that big, then her being a head taller than the average person doesn't exactly scream half-giant to me. She doesn't have to be related to familiar characters in the first place, but if that were to be the case, my money would probably be on her being Griamore and Veronica's daughter. In that scenario she would have her father's build and her mother's personality, but even that seems like a stretch. The character that most resembles a character from the old cast is Chion, who has the same face as Gilthunder, but the hair color is too different for there to be a direct relation. It would have to be something else, like Dreyfus(Gil's uncle) having a son that resembles Gil but with darker hair. Chion's weapon kind of looks like a magic staff, so I guess him being related to Vivian isn't completely off the table.

Anyway, I wasn't expecting to see so many new characters in Liones, at least not so soon. Isolde is of course the most interesting one of the bunch since she's Tristan's love interest. I kinda like her design, it's better than Guinevere's but not as good as Anne's. Maces and especially spiked ones are quite rare in Japanese fiction and she seems to have a somewhat spiky personality to go along with it. I'm also curious what Chion and Jade were doing with the magic stones. Apparently they've never behaved like this before, so I'm guessing they're reacting to the 4th KOTA since he's presumably never been to Liones before. Percy could be the cause as well, but the stones are apparently being affected by something that's a little further away so that's unlikely. And yeah, Chion does seem pretty suspicious.


I would agrue they were "dragged" in under a false pretense, as we know the reason for the war was not as they portrayed it. It was a power grab. Based on what we know of the giants, I think Drole's reasoning would likely be the case for most if not all the giants, as all they care about is strength. And Drole becoming one of the commandments was also due to word of his bravery being known in even the demon world, giving Zeldris a reason to make the offer in the first place.

It's true we've seen them do horrendous things, but that was in the present, after the terrible stuff during the first Holy War went down. We've strangely not shown them doing anything overtly evil in the past, nor have anything but assumptions on why the giants and fairies were against them. And Meliodas left to be with Elisabeth, I don't think we were shown him having an issue with them beyond their opposition to their relationship. I would argue that those who left were given reasons to do so, not because they dislike their clan or anything. Zeldris would be the best example - we know Zeldris' end goal, peace and being with Gelda, despite him being the commanding force behind the resurrected demons actions. He's willing to do anything to achieve his goal, and only turns against his father when it's established that there is no path to that goal.
What false pretenses are you referring to? I get that the goddesses were doing shady business behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean that the others were somehow tricked into the war. I also don't agree that Drole's reasoning would be the same as for the other giants, in fact Drole's motives don't even fully explain his allegiance. He could have just as easily tested his strength by siding with the demons to begin with, but he chose the goddesses until pretty much forced to switch sides. There was clearly something that made him consider the demons as the worse option, which later contributed to him and Gloxinia's decision to defect. They experienced both sides of the conflict and made their choice, just like Meliodas. Instead of him joining the alliance with the goddesses, he could have just invited Elizabeth to join the demons. There was opposition either way and both options would have pissed off the gods and affected the balance of the Holy War, especially if Meliodas or Elizabeth had also killed an archangel or two in the process. Just because the demons suffered in the war doesn't mean they were the victims in it. There had to have been something very wrong with them if pretty much all the decent members want little to nothing to do with the clan and if every other clan is willing to ally against them, with the sole exception being the vampires who literally feed on people.

There could be more off-screen, but not that much more given all the free space around. And Nanashi's comment about not being able to save them all would be strange if the majority had died. Plus, if there was thousands hiding underground, that's not something that could easily be hidden.
It was never shown how large the underground ruins were so it's hard to say how many people would have fit in. What we saw wasn't massively different from the people on the surface who seemed to fit into some sort of a town square in Liones, but I don't believe either one of these is really indicative of the true scale, especially when both combined would only be like 1% of the size of the giant graveyard. I thought Nanashi's comment was about him trying to heal the injured people he found in the ruins. Anyone directly hit by the DK's attack would have been vaporized, which was not something Nanashi could have done anything about.

Until Percy and gang appeared, Nasiens was the only one still living there, everyone else had fled outside. So Talisker's goal had been filled if that was what he wanted. Perhaps, or it could be the situations they were in, with their comments more focus on what they were dealing with. Seeing as they're apparently in direct communication with Arthur, and him seemingly giving out orders, I don't think they could misinterpret his orders. I think, based on what we've seen, Arthur has an overall plot, but due to the fact that his opponents are predicting the future, he's having to make things up as he goes along.
Talisker seemed satisfied with the situation after the Gorge had been made too dangerous for the fairies and giants to live in. The only thing he was doing at that point was trying to figure out what Nasiens was up to since he considered Nasiens a potential threat. It was only after Nasiens had returned the trees and animals in the Gorge back to normal that Talisker decided to unleash Ordo on everyone.

Agree, they appeared to believe him because he was a Holy Knight. That said, if ti was some truly wild claim, I doubt it would only be met with slight disbelief. Going to a neighboring village is one thing, but traveling cross country would be a task. Donny did so, but Donny is also had training. I think it would work, because only a handful of people would have had firsthand knowledge of what went down in the conclusion of the Holy War, and at Camelot, as we know the situation at Camelot was a lot more complicated then it just being wiped out. Everyone else would only know the demons were fought and the war ended. And true, Merlin didn't appear to have knowledge of those underground, though Arthur also seem unable to sense them.
The reactions of the citizens didn't appear very trusting to me. We only saw a couple of panels of them, the first one showing everyone in shock and skeptical, and the second one with some people being angry at Anne for accusing a holy knight of lying. I don't think it's possible for the events of Camelot to have remained unclear. Not only were the Sins there as direct participants who later became famous heroes for defeating the DK, but there were also the citizens of Camelot. Some were right there underground when the attack happened and the others had been rescued by the Sins earlier. They had been terrorized by the demons for an entire month before their rescue, so I genuinely can't see any scenario in which they could be convinced that it wasn't the demons that destroyed the kingdom, and it makes even less sense for them to start holding their rescuers responsible for it. The people of Liones who fought in the war obviously wouldn't believe anything but the known version of events either. I also think you're overstating the complexity of the situation. I assume you're referring to how Arthur and his knights are still around to this day, but the Everlasting Kingdom Camelot they currently live in was created through the power of Chaos, which Arthur obtained after the physical Camelot had already been destroyed. The destruction itself was very straightforward and matches Donny's account of the leader of the demons wiping out the entire kingdom with a single attack.
 

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Tristan has brought the 4th KOTA with him, but apparently something is not quite right about him. It could be that he doesn't actually have his prophesized power yet, which would work well with the idea that Gawain is the last KOTA.
But this begs the question of how Tristan knew that it was him, especially when the recent prophecy distinguishes him by his "golden magic"!
 

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I'm pretty much of the same opinion. Isolde being introduced with a ''Oh my god the main male character groped me!'' trope is so overused, problematic and honestly creepy. I already do not care for her character and what's disturbing is that Nakaba's FIRST WORDS for Isolde to say are the fact that she's saving herself for marriage. Sigh...

Can we all finally address that Percival is a literal child and the fact that Nakaba keeps putting him into sexual situations is really uncomfortable to read, especially when it's edging on blatant ****** at times. We had Percival grope literal breasts in the bath, and now directly sniffing a woman's covered crotch. Like, can we stop with the low-key pedophilia? It was no different with the beginning of 7DS where Mel would grope Elizabeth almost every single chapter, and it got uncomfortable to watch very quickly and I didn't actually take the series seriously until Nakaba fully dropped the ''Let's sexually harass females for comedic relief lmfao''

Then again, Nakaba writes females for romance only, suppose I should expect them to just be objects of sexual harassment to underage boys at this point.

It's like I want to enjoy this series, but then I remember the dreadful treatment Taizai got and how half of the cast was mistreated or blatantly only used for the purpose of one character in particular. And I'm seeing the same pattern happening with 4KOTA already.
In a vacuum, the chastity thing can make for an interesting character trait if handled correctly. But this being Nakaba and his, to put it kindly, spotty track record with how he writes women, that trait will likely end up being her defining characteristic. Well, that, and likely the fact that she will be continuously pining over some guy, likely Tristan. Which is why I really hope she isn't one of King and Diane's children. That said, the odds are probably low.

I really don't understand why Nakaba finds that sort of gag funny. Even if you can look past all of the problematic aspects, it's just not funny. And as for the low-key pedophila...well, that's been baked into NNT for a long while. All of the Sins have aspects of it in their relationships. Even my boy King. Not going to make any definitive statements as I don't know the man, but it's certainly a pattern.

At its heart, NNT is/was a romance. Which is fine. But the girls were almost always dependent on the guys, while the guys were allowed to love their girls, yet remain independent. If the women were allowed to have more agency, I think we'd all look more fondly upon the ladies than we do now. And we wouldn't be so sure that Nakaba is going to mess them up in this current series.

Anyway, nah, I don't think Isolde's King and Diane's kid. Even if their children don't even up OP like the 4KoTA, I would expect them to be much more skilled than what she showed against Percy. I would also hope that Nakaba would give them a decent build-up and introduction and not what Isolde got.
 

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these tree remind me of azure sky gang. isolde has to be at least somewhat important, but choking and ruby do not. the chocky guy also seems kinda sus. his weapons is also like Ruin's.
Percy will be saved by Tristan I think.
after that we maybe will get an arc with Tristan and the 4th knight and these three will be the donny/nissan/anngahlahde.
hope the horse has a counterpart too. he's very cool I like him
 

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So .. she’d have a magic ability awakened (whatever was emitting from her weapon at the end of the chapter) , but would show no sign of her innate race ability ? I find that really hard to believe . She also doesn’t share the dark hair design of either Diane or King . She just looks like an angry Elizabeth with the same eye design as King .

1 could argue Elaine , but I find that just as hard to believe . But I’ll just wait to see more .
 

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So .. she’d have a magic ability awakened (whatever was emitting from her weapon at the end of the chapter) , but would show no sign of her innate race ability ? I find that really hard to believe . She also doesn’t share the dark hair design of either Diane or King . She just looks like an angry Elizabeth with the same eye design as King .

1 could argue Elaine , but I find that just as hard to believe . But I’ll just wait to see more .
She could've inherited the blonde hair colour from Elaine, her aunt.
 

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Tristan has brought the 4th KOTA with him, but apparently something is not quite right about him. It could be that he doesn't actually have his prophesized power yet, which would work well with the idea that Gawain is the last KOTA. Maybe we'll see how Sunshine chooses its hosts soon, and perhaps in such a way that Mael is there to witness it like in the sketches for the sequel. Something being wrong with the last KOTA sounds like a good way to pace their debuts. This way Tristan can be the highlight of the next big action sequence and the final KOTA will then get the spotlight a little bit later.

I wouldn't be so sure about Isolde being King and Diane's daughter. The only real piece of evidence pointing towards that is that she's tall, but her height isn't that unusual in this series. She doesn't even seem to be as tall as Ban, let alone Doronach who was like twice as tall as the average man. If normal humans can grow that big, then her being a head taller than the average person doesn't exactly scream half-giant to me. She doesn't have to be related to familiar characters in the first place, but if that were to be the case, my money would probably be on her being Griamore and Veronica's daughter. In that scenario she would have her father's build and her mother's personality, but even that seems like a stretch. The character that most resembles a character from the old cast is Chion, who has the same face as Gilthunder, but the hair color is too different for there to be a direct relation. It would have to be something else, like Dreyfus(Gil's uncle) having a son that resembles Gil but with darker hair. Chion's weapon kind of looks like a magic staff, so I guess him being related to Vivian isn't completely off the table.

Anyway, I wasn't expecting to see so many new characters in Liones, at least not so soon. Isolde is of course the most interesting one of the bunch since she's Tristan's love interest. I kinda like her design, it's better than Guinevere's but not as good as Anne's. Maces and especially spiked ones are quite rare in Japanese fiction and she seems to have a somewhat spiky personality to go along with it. I'm also curious what Chion and Jade were doing with the magic stones. Apparently they've never behaved like this before, so I'm guessing they're reacting to the 4th KOTA since he's presumably never been to Liones before. Percy could be the cause as well, but the stones are apparently being affected by something that's a little further away so that's unlikely. And yeah, Chion does seem pretty suspicious.


What false pretenses are you referring to? I get that the goddesses were doing shady business behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean that the others were somehow tricked into the war. I also don't agree that Drole's reasoning would be the same as for the other giants, in fact Drole's motives don't even fully explain his allegiance. He could have just as easily tested his strength by siding with the demons to begin with, but he chose the goddesses until pretty much forced to switch sides. There was clearly something that made him consider the demons as the worse option, which later contributed to him and Gloxinia's decision to defect. They experienced both sides of the conflict and made their choice, just like Meliodas. Instead of him joining the alliance with the goddesses, he could have just invited Elizabeth to join the demons. There was opposition either way and both options would have pissed off the gods and affected the balance of the Holy War, especially if Meliodas or Elizabeth had also killed an archangel or two in the process. Just because the demons suffered in the war doesn't mean they were the victims in it. There had to have been something very wrong with them if pretty much all the decent members want little to nothing to do with the clan and if every other clan is willing to ally against them, with the sole exception being the vampires who literally feed on people.


It was never shown how large the underground ruins were so it's hard to say how many people would have fit in. What we saw wasn't massively different from the people on the surface who seemed to fit into some sort of a town square in Liones, but I don't believe either one of these is really indicative of the true scale, especially when both combined would only be like 1% of the size of the giant graveyard. I thought Nanashi's comment was about him trying to heal the injured people he found in the ruins. Anyone directly hit by the DK's attack would have been vaporized, which was not something Nanashi could have done anything about.


Talisker seemed satisfied with the situation after the Gorge had been made too dangerous for the fairies and giants to live in. The only thing he was doing at that point was trying to figure out what Nasiens was up to since he considered Nasiens a potential threat. It was only after Nasiens had returned the trees and animals in the Gorge back to normal that Talisker decided to unleash Ordo on everyone.


The reactions of the citizens didn't appear very trusting to me. We only saw a couple of panels of them, the first one showing everyone in shock and skeptical, and the second one with some people being angry at Anne for accusing a holy knight of lying. I don't think it's possible for the events of Camelot to have remained unclear. Not only were the Sins there as direct participants who later became famous heroes for defeating the DK, but there were also the citizens of Camelot. Some were right there underground when the attack happened and the others had been rescued by the Sins earlier. They had been terrorized by the demons for an entire month before their rescue, so I genuinely can't see any scenario in which they could be convinced that it wasn't the demons that destroyed the kingdom, and it makes even less sense for them to start holding their rescuers responsible for it. The people of Liones who fought in the war obviously wouldn't believe anything but the known version of events either. I also think you're overstating the complexity of the situation. I assume you're referring to how Arthur and his knights are still around to this day, but the Everlasting Kingdom Camelot they currently live in was created through the power of Chaos, which Arthur obtained after the physical Camelot had already been destroyed. The destruction itself was very straightforward and matches Donny's account of the leader of the demons wiping out the entire kingdom with a single attack.
If it's Gawain and he has Sunshine. It could simply be that he has no control over the ability so he can't enter Liones right now without a limiter like Escanor's special glasses.
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these tree remind me of azure sky gang. isolde has to be at least somewhat important, but choking and ruby do not. the chocky guy also seems kinda sus. his weapons is also like Ruin's.
Percy will be saved by Tristan I think.
after that we maybe will get an arc with Tristan and the 4th knight and these three will be the donny/nissan/anngahlahde.
hope the horse has a counterpart too. he's very cool I like him
I actually think Percival will beat them and the fight will be interrupted somehow.
 

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She could've inherited the blonde hair colour from Elaine, her aunt.
As I stated , I find that just as hard to believe .
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We’ve seen in the cases of Lancelot & Tristan that Nakaba will make them look like their parents , giving them physical traits that resemble them . I doubt he’s just gonna throw that out the window to mislead us , even if she’s 1 of multiple . Playing devil’s advocate , she’d be shown as the 1st (not necessarily oldest) of their kids . I feel like we’d have more to go off of than just assuming off of her being tall . There’s more in the fact that she smells good , a Fairy trait I’ve seen nobody try to argue yet , than what has been argued really . & Even then , it’s not enough to really sell me on the Kiane idea .
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Although , on an unrelated note , hopefully this magic emitting from all their weapons is someone else’s & not her’s . I’d prefer maybe Jade’s in perhaps a sort of utility sorta way . They all give off the same looking glow .

Though I could settle if that wasn’t the case . Not anything I’d whine over .
 

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What if the 4th KoA that Tristan brought happened to be a girl?
I mean, Meliodas' reaction gives me that impression!
The Vision user mentioned that "all of them are young lads/boys", but that's just what he saw, not necessarily what is in truth, for appearances often deceive.
 
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Btw for the people are confused about Chion. He is not a knight of Camelot He is a holy knight for liones. He was calling Percy one there was period.
What he said was “i am the holy knight chion. (PERIOD) servant of King Arthur, prepare to die.” He was saying servant of King Arthur to Percival not saying he was one. Just thought I’d clear that up for people
 

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But this begs the question of how Tristan knew that it was him, especially when the recent prophecy distinguishes him by his "golden magic"!
That prophecy is what Arthur's knights are using. Liones has access to the power of Vision, which gives them more accurate information about things. That probably explains why Lancelot was already waiting near God's Finger when Percival descended down to Britannia. Meliodas appears to know when and where the KOTA are going to appear, so he can send someone there ahead of time to protect and test them. This is different from Arthur's knights who are using their familiars to spy on things and lure out potential candidates. They can recognize the KOTA if they happen to encounter one, but they don't know where to find them.

If it's Gawain and he has Sunshine. It could simply be that he has no control over the ability so he can't enter Liones right now without a limiter like Escanor's special glasses.
You might be on to something. I interpreted Mel's comment about the prophecy as him being certain of it even if the evidence didn't quite line up, but it might make more sense to assume that what he was told confirmed the prophecy, albeit with some complications.
 

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@Blazar @Ann Firestar y'all were so close to ther 4th knight who's probably the next sun user. But there's something off with him as implied by Meliodas
So I had a few days to think about it and I support both @Tristan and @Demonspeed theories.


Because the prophecy was pretty specific it raises the question “How can there be something unexpected to the one of the KotA?”
Their whole identification relies on 3 specific traits.
Age – Young
Gender – Boy
And one specifics for each of them.


It did sound kind of sad that there are no girls in this team, but Nakaba tends to underestimate potential of his female characters and write them poorly because of this. Maybe he himself understands it so he removed all female characters from the main team.
But if the 4th KotA is a female it throws a bit of balance on the scales.

It could be that sunshine is a bit destructive again, and it means that we will soon see Mael. Because Merlin was the one who created “magic blockers” for Escanor, and as of right now she’s an enemy.
But I do think that part of sunshine is now trapped in Merlins scars. Like Meliodas was debuffed at the beginning. That turn of event would have given the new host more time to learn to control it and would even up the KotA, in means of power levels.


Also, I have two different assumptions.

First one comes from the strange way Meliodas had said about how many KotA are in Lioness right now.
If there are 3 of them already, and we don’t count Tristan as one, he might have just understood that the one he’s looking for is himself. And that’s what so unexpected about this news, but it does follow the prophecy.

Second one is that Tristan made a mistake. Someone he brought is indeed looks like the last KotA, but he isn’t one. There’s something off about him, and that excludes him from the list.
 

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I guess I will post this here now :hmm

I hope this is not the wrong place to post it? If it is someone can repost on another thread:sweat

There's this NNT popularity contest that's being hosted on the Fun Forum, where you send a list of your top 10 favorite Nanatsu no Taizai characters. The first one will get 10 points, while number 10 will get one point.

But there are also a few other guidelines (Which you can choose to do or not), like the honorable mentions and battles.

Here is the post for more clarity:

 

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By the way, how do you think the kingdom of Liones has access to the dimensional Camelot Arthur created despite the huge enmity between the two?
 

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By the way, how do you think the kingdom of Liones has access to the dimensional Camelot Arthur created despite the huge enmity between the two?
I don't think we know anything about this. Incantation Orbs can probably be used for this I guess.
 

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Based on Meliodas' words, the four knights destroying the world probably pertains to Arthur's dimensional realm, not Britannia. I am kind of surprised that three of the four have already been gathered with a four just arriving, figured finding them would be it's own task. I like with the idea that the fourth knight is a girl. And it appears that Liones has some kind of detection alarm set up, which is smart. Isolde is interesting, I could see her being half-giant, but I don't think she's half fairy just because it doesn't seem like fairy's sizes are genetic. And given what we've seen of Percy's magic, he shouldn't have much trouble defending himself. After all, he was able to defend himself against Cernunnos, and I would be surprise if these knights are as strong as that beast was.
 

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Aren't only certain fairies capable of reading hearts? Based on what we seen of them, most fairies can't and thus why they're fooled by humans.
 
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