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Yep... but that wasn't my approach for this topic.
Being gay is something that happens to few people, it's hardly a natural thing that happens in the body (meant hardly for the number of ppl being gay), but obviously must be acknowledged... as a topic after other topics such as marriage, couples, creating bonds to ensure genes transmission.
Saying it isn't "natural" kind of creates a conundrum. Are you saying humans are not part of the natural world? Or does homosexuality not exist in any other animals?

The "natural" argument you present holds no water IMO. Like Evil alluded to, people only think this way because of religious concepts.
 

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Sanity Check - this really isn't meant to be a personal attack, but I'm honestly not sure you really know what 'atheism' actually entails
It's nothing to do with feminism, or homosexuality, or LGBT rights, or a belief in evolution

I've not met an atheist who has the time/effort to try and 'proselytize' their lack of beliefs (not that I'm even sure you can proselytize a lack of belief)
Most of the atheists I've met are straight (and, some of the homosexuals I've met are religious)
Also, 'pushing evolution' is a rather odd thing to be upset about. Considering how you seem to have an interest in science and in understanding the world/how things came to be as they currently are

to name but a few of the things I've seen you conflate with the [all-encompassing] umbrella that is 'atheism'

actually, now that I think of it, weren't you also linking homosexuality with feminism?
not sure I get that link either tbh
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Sanity Check - this really isn't meant to be a personal attack, but I'm honestly not sure you really know what 'atheism' actually entails
It's nothing to do with feminism, or homosexuality, or LGBT rights, or a belief in evolution

I've not met an atheist who has the time/effort to try and 'proselytize' their lack of beliefs (not that I'm even sure you can proselytize a lack of belief)
Most of the atheists I've met are straight (and, some of the homosexuals I've met are religious)
Also, 'pushing evolution' is a rather odd thing to be upset about. Considering how you seem to have an interest in science and in understanding the world/how things came to be as they currently are

to name but a few of the things I've seen you conflate with the [all-encompassing] umbrella that is 'atheism'

actually, now that I think of it, weren't you also linking homosexuality with feminism?
not sure I get that link either tbh
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I feel like he's trolling. Either that or....
 

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So, now we proceed with the phase where the gay movement enters into the disscussion, huh?






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All above. Because 2 negates 1, and makes it false. "It's okay to be gay, as long as (my) children don't see any in public or in media". That means you place homosexual relationships into unequal standing in comparison to heteronormative relationships. So it's ok to be gay, only if it happens in my terms, out of my children's sight. Which means expressing homosexuality isn't okay.
:hmm I guess i might be.

Went to the least acknowledged site to find source about everything with the word homophobia and found this:

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT).[1][2][3] It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear and ignorance, and is also related to religious beliefs.[4][5]

Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.[1][2][6] Recognized types of homophobia include institutionalized homophobia, e.g. religious homophobia and state-sponsored homophobia, and internalized homophobia, experienced by people who have same-sex attractions, regardless of how they identify.[7][8]
Just the first line tells that if you say NO to a gay thing, makes you homophobic. Because the range isn't explained at all, but denotes that must be negative. This screams TOLERANCE indeed, exactly what the gay movements wants...

I also have no idea what you mean by "gay movement", but that sounds to me that looking for equal rights to the LGBTQ+ community is "shit". Which is also homophobic.
Man, please.
How come you understand that when i'm saying: "gay movement" is that i'm classifying it as shitty. To me the gay movement is abhorrent, not just "shitty".

You know me, i will tell things by what they are, unless i'm joking or using irony.

So you seriously think, that making children aware thorough media that gay people exists (as they do) leads to children to not learning how babies are made or what is marriage? There is a billion on children's films on those subject, and a gay kiss in one film wont negate that. Learning one thing doesn't negate learning another thing. You can do both math and art in school. Your logic makes absolutely zero sense.
I can tell you what i seriously think:

I think that those themes should be informed in time to children... from their parents, not movies nor media, nor everything else.

There is billions of movies about parents refusing to teach their children what sex is... exactly because parents want to their children to be fully prepared to face the sex topic.


What is this obsession with sex? We are still talking about a children's movie of space rangers fighting alien robots? What has "passing of genes" to anything with that? The kids will have biology, health and sex education in their lives later, when it is more topical. Having this kind of exposure just makes kids see, that some boys like boys and thats that - they'll just be less likely to judgmental and rude when they encounter this later in adult life.
You don't get my first argument about the sex part.

Let's use Disney kisses to explain my point:







Every story portrayed here ends the same way. with them as a couple. So what they do formalize themselves as couple? The kiss.

Now that this is explained... let's go to what the word Couple is:

Couple as noun: two people who are married or otherwise closely associated romantically or sexually.

Couple as verb: mate or have sexual intercourse
The kid watching the Disney movie sees the couple at the end, and will ask, are they married? Yes would be the answer.

Married = Couple for his underaged mind.

So, as it is proved to be interconnected, they will understand that the Kiss is the first step in order to have a couple, to have sex.



Now, second part of my argument: The difference between the heterosexual kiss from the homosexual kiss.

Every teen and adult can perfectly be aware that sex might be considered a leisure recreation, that is a lovely act performed to bond with someone else. But as we're talking about children, would you want children to have sex? If the answer is no, then we can proceed.

As the responsible parent that wouldn't want that to happen, they will explain to their children what's marriage and its importance in the society (damn hell it is important, it happens in every nook of the planet). And there it lands my own appreciation of what's truth, what's important: Creating a legacy, having an offspring with genes from their parents. I'm using the world's most known contract for that goal, following that mission.

That... can only happen with an heterosexual couple.
Homosexual couples do sex... for leisure, love it is for sure, but fails to what i want, what "life" wants.

Do you understand my concern now?
Will a parent want that?

Have you actually ever talked to a kid who has encountered gay people? I have - they are usually just very uninterested and just proceed eating sand and stuffing legos in their noses.
Awesome man, but not forget that we're talking about content that millions of children will watch.

Here something a bit different happens:


Kids in gays movement protest
School teachers announcing gay movement standarts, also discriminating everybody who doesn't thinks like them.. adults to children, yeah.
School libraries with books about paedophilic stories between kids and adults.

So, the question is... what would be the answer of these children taught sex -not from their parents, but media and school- to the question: Hey kid, would you want to have sex with an adult?

The answer will be yes.

Do you see the importance about why such theme in a kid movie appears??


Whats so sad about it?
It's sad because we will never know it.
There is money involved to become the world a cesspool of filth and depravity.


That's homophobic as fuck. Straight people can be in media, but gay people can't because it hurts the children and some peoples feelings? So gay people should just pretend to not exist?
Nah, as i said many times, there is nothing wrong with gay movies made for teens and adults:



Last movie i saw about the subject, got nothing against it.

Also, you do not want the world to change? Like at all? What do you define as the peak world, or the world before "change" started? 1950s? The early 1800s?

World changes as we develope and learn. We have learned that being gay is totally normal occurrence in biological world and learned that it doesn't hurt anyone. Let just people be who they are, and be seen and accepted as they are.
A good world will be when humans dissapear of existence. :)

But answering the question about what/how the gay movement has changed the world, under my impression would be:

-They want to impose their new language, using occidental languages but with their own changes and forcing people to speak like them.
-They changed my actual justice system where any sort of gay of that movement has more rights than woman and men, obviously to remember all that women also has more rights than men. Equality they demand...
-They are also paying for a section of my country's new constitution to lower the age of sexual consent to children of 10 years old.
-Schools as portrayed in the video, are teaching stuff that is completely outside subjects such as maths and arts, they want to force schools to teach sexual education... not just teens, children.
-They have countless to name sexual orientations, genders, types of humans, types of situations, etc... confusing teens (it's directly at them) for one single goal:


Needless to say that my own country's leader of the gay movement is an acknowledged paedophile, but justice doesn't do his work because of the corruption in the system, he's above the girl talking in the video trying to normalize going for children.

The damage they are doing is huge, what the world knew as normal, it won't be anymore, and this is just happening in the "liberty" of democracy, there will be a moment when that liberty will dissapear, and face the problem as i'm doing now, will be prohibited and surely will outcast me.

So, i think it's obvious for a reasonable person to understand that taking side with those guys, makes you a criminal.

Ust, don't be a criminal :sad

Don't worry there buddy. As a Russian passport holder it is in my current state's agenda to disappoint people all around the world wide (wide web).


Bro...

If your country starts WWIII, i will understand that you hadn't nothing to do with it. Worry not my friend.


I really don't have the energy to argue about simple human rights and dignity of every single being, but here's the double standard I am going to point out to you.

This "new stuff delivered to us" is not a new modern feminist gay rights movement. It is as natural as it comes. You have several example in different animals around several different species showing homosexual behaviour. You can derive from that the society we live in right now and their standards and views on the issues are the unnatural behaviours.
To be honestly open about the subject... i know you will get mad xD... sorry in advance, but this is what i think:

Homosexuality is close to a congenital disorder.
So far, 8% of the population has it. As any disorder of the kind, may be triggered at some point of their life, specially with sexual violence involved.

It's an anomaly/disease to me because interrupts the normal physiology of the body.

So i concur with gay as something that is in nature -human nature-, won't go against. But i understand that some may be too hostile to gay people, my problem is what i pointed to Ust above, changing the basic rules of what's currently right and wrong, depravation... and that's the stand of the movement. Got nothing against singular people.

You dig deeper into that in an iceberg format and quickly discover that church and all other monotheistic Abrahamic religions have been indoctrinating us by this bullshit about monogamy (only for the woman by the way, a man could always have multiple concubines accordings to those texts) and procreational sex is just some made up stuff to better control the society by stripping them certain rights / wants / needs.

Like, you talk about analyze but only looking at the surface and not questioning as to why are things the way they are, is just bit triggering.
That's a big problem... thinking about the past.

Justice provides recognition and provides compensation to those abused and ones who had their dignity stained by such victimizers. It's ok to be a victim... but with a reasonable cause that happened to YOU AS SINGLE PERSON.

I get that you may hate christian church and any other... but they aren't forcing mankind to see them as victims and changing everything.


They've been censored out of history for millenia now, let's just leave it at that.

Lovers of Modena story comes to mind, that now are reclassified as "Brothers of Modena" and the likes :D
Do you want heterosexuals to be censored as revenge for whay they have done to the gay community?

Saying it isn't "natural" kind of creates a conundrum. Are you saying humans are not part of the natural world? Or does homosexuality not exist in any other animals?

The "natural" argument you present holds no water IMO. Like Evil alluded to, people only think this way because of religious concepts.
Answering the questions:

-No, i'm not saying that, would love to enhance our connection to nature actually.
-I don't know if it happens in animals, but i see more fitting to put homosexuality into human nature. As it happens to humans, i see it as an unavoidable truth, so to speak natural... but still, according to numbers, it isn't mandatory. So it's simply a way to speak, as i said before to you, my problem goes to people protesting for that to appear in the movie. For people used to protest to carry the gay movemente everywhere, that's my concern.
 

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Secularists want everyone in the world to be an atheist.

They push "evolution" and "LGBTs" to try to achieve this.

This is the atheist version of being a jehova's witness.


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My new elected-president decided to throw every painting of the Virgin Mary of the presidental palace. His supporters loved it, because they want religion out of the country... my country based its independence with the figure of the virgin, they are idiots beyond help.

At the end, everything will be resolved with civil wars i think, here and everywhere.


Putting the spoiler bar for you :hmph
I know it bothers you, swift down your finger too much.

Lazy.
 

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Actually i think its better to remove any types of sexual orientation content in children movies including straight and make it pure innocent. There is justice is that.
 

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Have you read any of the Discworld novels @Imperium?
Finally something that matters. Yea I have. I actually was thinking of binging on them recently as I've only read the big ones like guards and colour of magic. Got distracted by some Chinese novels again though and then my break was over. You?
 

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Answering the questions:

-No, i'm not saying that, would love to enhance our connection to nature actually.
-I don't know if it happens in animals, but i see more fitting to put homosexuality into human nature. As it happens to humans, i see it as an unavoidable truth, so to speak natural... but still, according to numbers, it isn't mandatory. So it's simply a way to speak, as i said before to you, my problem goes to people protesting for that to appear in the movie. For people used to protest to carry the gay movemente everywhere, that's my concern.
Well then admit ignorance, since it does and is very well-documented.

People didn't protest for it to be added into the movie, people are protesting its removal. That's not the same thing and suggesting that it is is reductive.
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So let me get this straight, you think all of this is some masterplan to normalize pedophilia, but then wince at someone calling you homophobic?

Riiight...
 

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In some sad news 😢 the creator of the gif file has passed. May he be forever remembered in a meme gif for eternity.
 

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Finally something that matters. Yea I have. I actually was thinking of binging on them recently as I've only read the big ones like guards and colour of magic. Got distracted by some Chinese novels again though and then my break was over. You?
He's one of us @Organizized @z.5! :nod

I love Discworld! I even worked on a preloved bookstore for a bit, to scout and buy 'em! I still haven't completed the full 41-main series novels, I currently have 28. Haven't read all of them yet though.
 

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Damn...i came back here just to see more drama....???????
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He's one of us @Organizized @z.5! :nod

I love Discworld! I even worked on a preloved bookstore for a bit, to scout and buy 'em! I still haven't completed the full 41-main series novels, I currently have 28. Haven't read all of them yet though.
Nice Omar. I've been meaning to read them all again soon, maybe when I'm done rereading One Piece. Was gonna listen to the audio books in chronological order but my audio book service now only have the Tiffany novels plus a few random ones from the other subseries left, for some reason...
 
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