Chapter Tower of God Chapter 537 Spoilers & Discussion

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@Demonspeed @Lady pompom @kkck

The translated chapter is out!


From Shiin ^_^
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Im waiting for it too cause I did a quick skim with the last pages and can't find any except snippets from here and someone's mobile translation in Twitter. Though it should be sometime soon within the week (I don't know much what happened to the usual translator but I hope they're doing fine)
@axolotl sorry for the delay
 

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Translated chapter[by alpha scans]----
@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin
 

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The point is, in a land where we have Kaiser, Shilial and Lilial, it's hard to believe his words.

Mainly because he "has never seen a bigger talent" before Baam.
Kaiser was talented but she hasn't really been improving for a thousand of years because of her exile to the NHS. She hasn't faced anyone strong and even if she did she mainly relied on the items provided to her by 10GF. Talent means nothing if you don't push yourself to overcome challanges.

Shilial and Lilial aren't that talented. Sure, they are princessess and that makes them powerful but compared to Endorsi the latter is a clear winner when it comes to talent. The fact that she fought Lilial, who is older/has been climbing the tower for longer, and wasn't losing is proof enough.

I don't understand how the bolded statement can be an indication of Holan not being (the most) talented. He is from LPB so he must've seen/heard of those. What's more the claim about him being the most talented comes not only from him but from the top BHs as well.
 

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Judging by how everyone is OK with an FH having to put in a little more effort than he expected in killing off a trifle, it means I'm the only one who had unreasonably high expectations for the so-called gods of the tower. :nah
A large portion of us straight up expect slayers to off certain FHs so yeah
 

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-The Ari family is supposed to be pretty powerful according to a blog post and yet Han is outside the top 18
-The Hendo lok family is the least influential of the 10, yet Bloodmader is ranked higher than Hana, Han and Traum.
-I don't remember it being said that the LPB are the most active family.

I think we really need to separate the FH from his family.
Which blog post is the one with the Ari bit if I may ask ? ;0 I can only remember Kaiser referring to Arie family being the most powerful during Inietas flashback. I hear of Khun, Arie and Has being the most notable families (not exact wording but they're often mentioned in story)
 

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Common Traumerai wont kill Yas the same reason he didn't kill Wangwang.
 

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Kaiser was talented but she hasn't really been improving for a thousand of years because of her exile to the NHS. She hasn't faced anyone strong and even if she did she mainly relied on the items provided to her by 10GF. Talent means nothing if you don't push yourself to overcome challanges.
Kaiser was only there 1000 years ago and I didn't get his point. We're not talking about strength, but potential.

She is not Baam, she still needs to climb the tower to get stronger. The question is, can you say that if nothing had gone wrong, Hollam would be the most talented of the current generation?

Shilial and Lilial aren't that talented. Sure, they are princessess and that makes them powerful but compared to Endorsi the latter is a clear winner when it comes to talent. The fact that she fought Lilial, who is older/has been climbing the tower for longer, and wasn't losing is proof enough.
You know at that point the twins were stronger than Androssi, right?

I don't understand how the bolded statement can be an indication of Holan not being (the most) talented. He is from LPB so he must've seen/heard of those. What's more the claim about him being the most talented comes not only from him but from the top BHs as well.
Perseus and Pudidy say he is the greatest talent of Hatculing's current generation.

Hollam says his talent/potential/growth rate is the highest in the entire family.

He says he's never seen anyone more talented than him, that is, he's never faced a princess or an Arie, in the least.
 

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Shilial and Lilial aren't that talented. Sure, they are princessess and that makes them powerful but compared to Endorsi the latter is a clear winner when it comes to talent. The fact that she fought Lilial, who is older/has been climbing the tower for longer, and wasn't losing is proof enough.
You have to be talended in order to be selected as zahard princess though. We don't know who are the more talented among these 3.
 

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If you think an FH fighting multiple CC characters without moving a muscleis an achievement, then you certainly don't regard them as highly as I did until this chapter.

Doing all that and obliterating them is the bare minimum for me.... well it least it used to be
Urek had to work against Hell Joe and Karaka FFS... you can't just win without trying just coz you're an irregular... urek used his finger against Karaka which we all thought was amazing... well Traumerei is fighting a far stronger opponent and hasn't gotten out of his cozy chair and people calling him underwhelming... Y'all realize Yas is ridiculously strong right? Pretty sure Traumerei could 1 shot him like he did NenNen
 

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I don't remember SIU being mum about 1 of the 10, and only highlighting 9 FHs. Can you reference what you're talking about? I don't claim to have the best memory, but I thought SIU always talked about 10 being the operative number, and the only real difference was he said Hendo is different with not being immortal like the rest, and he was/is secretive about the lowest rankings. But at least he acknowledged all 10 from the onset, right?
Yes, he said from the start that there is 10 families. He gave the names of 9 of them, the names of 9 leaders, there ranks, sobriquets and even positions. This dates back to the posts of season one.

On the other hand, the name of the 10th family was revealed in Name Hunt Station and the name of the head in this arc.
 

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Urek had to work against Hell Joe and Karaka FFS... you can't just win without trying just coz you're an irregular... urek used his finger against Karaka which we all thought was amazing... well Traumerei is fighting a far stronger opponent and hasn't gotten out of his cozy chair
 

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Maschenny has manipulated fate so much this week that Cinera isn't saying anything even though she has multiple panels.
Don't you get it? That's definitely an imposter. The real Cinera who I spent a good chunk my time on this forum debating about Mas will never ever say that.
 

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I was making a point that all of LPB's summons are supposed to be top tier because if they were not, they would be useless if he was in a fight against an FH
With what we saw in this chapter, he would probably have ditch most of the summons and fight directly if he ever goes against PBD
There is the Anima and there is the Shinheuh. It's like you are saying that a D-rank weapon held by a High Ranker should be A-rank.
 

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-The Ari family is supposed to be pretty powerful according to a blog post and yet Han is outside the top 18
I really don't remember that.
-The Hendo lok family is the least influential of the 10, yet Bloodmader is ranked higher than Hana, Han and Traum.
But I'm not talking about influence

-I don't remember it being said that the LPB are the most active family.
And it's never been said, but need it? It was the most active family we've seen so far.
 

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@Cinera It appears Mas is not as all knowing as you thought.
The translations of their interaction does make it seem like she doesn't know what was inside the Frozen Waterfall. Though, I wouldn't take her interactions with Baam and Khun at face value. Baam and Khun decided to lie about Leviathan, and we didn't get any perspective to her internal thoughts to see if she knew they were lying or not. For all we know, she might have known they were lying but decided to go along with it anyway. We can't tell at this point.

We'd need to see her internal thoughts and/or her reaction to Baam using Leviathan's power in battle to know for sure either way.

The situation reminds me of Asensio leaving that one guard alive. Many people were hasty to conclude that Asensio fucked up or was careless and that as a result, he and Maschenny had been exposed, but what were the actual consequences of that action?
  1. Orari and Yorari were trapped in the Suspendium.
    • They were thus unable to inform the Lo Po Bia of the Jinsung switch, Baam entering the Suspendium or Maschenny's betrayal.
  2. The switch is something that Orari would have learned of at the last moment anyway, as the sealing ship gets disassembled to seal its contents inside.
  3. It allowed the Captain to enter the Suspendium.
    • Did the Captain acquire any treasures of Zahard while he was inside it?
  4. It lead to the death(s) of Orari (and Yorari).


There were no adverse consequences to Maschenny/Asensio from that action. Everything worked out very good for them. For example:
  • The guard did not mention that Asensio killed the other guards.
    • And the guards knew who Asensio was. They addressed him by name as "Lord Asensio".
  • The guard did not mention that it was the Irregular onboard the sealing ship.
  • The guard did not otherwise implicate Maschenny or Asensio.
Even as at this chapter and after seeing the Irregular, the Lo Po Bia still do not know of Maschenny's betrayal. Perhaps, they just can't fathom that the high ranking Princess would backstab them.

And you have to consider that:
  • Asensio was in the room while the guard was speaking about the betrayal (out loud, he was screaming at times) and yet never bothered to interrupt him.
  • Asensio did not show any concern for the guard surviving.

I'm starting to feel more confident that "mistake" was fully intentional all along.

With Maschenny and her minions, things aren't necessarily what they appear to be on first glance.


It looks like AA and Baam successfully lied to Maschenny about Leviathan, but is that really the case? There are several questions that need answering:
  • Why are Baam and his friends escaping the Nest through the Warp Drive on Maschenny's ship?
    • Did she just take his friends hostage?
    • What happened to the escape route they originally prepared?
  • Why did Maschenny give Baam a 20 minute time limit?
    • 20 minutes until the Cat Tower bomb goes off?
    • 20 minutes until Traumerei arrives?
  • What did Maschenny tell Jinsung about her plans that made him so scared/worried?
    • In S3 E85, she informed him that Traumerei is the real enemy.
    • In S3 E99, he commented that she was someone far bigger than he had ever imagined.
  • What conversation did she have with Jinsung after she sent Baam into the Frozen Waterfall?
    • She said that he needed to so something for Baam's sake.
    • How does it fit with her claims that she kidnapped Jinsung and brought him to the Nest because he was like a breakwater for Baam and an important member of the Ha Family?
    • Why isn't Jinsung telling Baam about Traumerei or Maschenny's plans?
  • What was Maschenny referring to when she said that she wanted to see if Baam can satisfy her expectations?
    • A battle with Traumerei?
    • In response to this question, Jinsung warned Baam that the person waiting for him was in too high a place for them.
  • Is Maschenny working together with the Captain?

Maschenny seemingly wants Baam to fight Traumerei:

But Baam and AA still do not know of Traumerei's arrival at the Nest. And Jinsung who she told about Traumerei (and at least some part of her plans) did not deem fit to inform Baam about it. Why? What does he know? What is he hiding from Baam?


This chapter gave me a lot more questions than answers. I thought that Maschenny might help Baam escape from the Nest, but the Warp Drive on her ship wasn't the route I predicted. And sending Baam away right now, doesn't fit her prior agenda around him and Traumerei. I'm not sure what's up with the 20 minutes either. Or what's up with Jinsung keeping Baam in the dark.

And there are still prior questions around Maschenny beyond those introduced in this chapter:
  • Who is the Third Minion?
    • What are they up to?
  • Is the female Minion Maria?
    • What's she up to now?
  • How is the Khun Family involved in the wider war?
    • Are Maschenny and Asensio representing their interests?
  • What about the Zahard Family?
    • Is Maschenny here to represent their interests?


We badly, badly need a long internal Maschenny monologue when she just reflects on all the events of the Nest so far.
 

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Urek had to work against Hell Joe and Karaka FFS... you can't just win without trying just coz you're an irregular... urek used his finger against Karaka which we all thought was amazing... well Traumerei is fighting a far stronger opponent and hasn't gotten out of his cozy chair
Now thats comparing apples to oranges. Hell joe was a mini admin and Karaka is straight-up immortal.
 
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You have to be talended in order to be selected as zahard princess though. We don't know who are the more talented among these 3.
Repelista
 

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People are really finding baam badass this chapter lmao? With all those corny stance siu is making him take, no face expression, the art is bland, fights so bad. Jinsung looks like a clown next to baam with his clownish martial art pose.
Can we talk about traumerei, the king of clown who is struggling against CC level, a FH who needs 4 of his best shinheuh and can’t defeat yas, looks at yama destroying his big shinheuh like it’s nothing or siu is just nerdfing him for plot purpose, he is probably thinking of killing traum this arc, not surprising anymore, baam the epitome of power up will just win like he always do, who thought baam could win against hoaqin in the dollar show or against data zahard ?
Let’s all see Vicente growing and beating arie hon with the power of the good side.
Yes Vincente will best Hon
 

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Which blog post is the one with the Ari bit if I may ask ? ;0 I can only remember Kaiser referring to Arie family being the most powerful during Inietas flashback. I hear of Khun, Arie and Has being the most notable families (not exact wording but they're often mentioned in story)
The Ari Family is supposed to be powerful (maybe even very powerful)
They may not be top 3 (Ha, Khun and Arie) but they are clearly above average
It seems this is the first time someone from the Ari family has appeared.
Though they fight to stop war, and they are a family that tries to keep the balance,
It is because they are such a strong family that they are able to do this.
 
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