Chapter Tower of God Chapter 537 Spoilers & Discussion

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@Demonspeed @Lady pompom @kkck

The translated chapter is out!


From Shiin ^_^
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Im waiting for it too cause I did a quick skim with the last pages and can't find any except snippets from here and someone's mobile translation in Twitter. Though it should be sometime soon within the week (I don't know much what happened to the usual translator but I hope they're doing fine)
@axolotl sorry for the delay
 

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Translated chapter[by alpha scans]----
@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin
 

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Where they at LOL! WGW, Holan, and Purdi don’t have the talent and that’s 3 of the LPB top 6. I doubt Perseus has the talent!
It's entirely plausible that some or all of those could be better in that regard than some relatively unspectacular child of the Ha Family. Look at Yura, for example. She has no talent whatsoever in the typical Ha characteristics.
 

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I have a feeling after this Arc Baam is going to get separated from Khun and Rak, whether due to Baam meeting Traumerei or due to Maschenny's machinations it remains to be seen.It will be good because SIU will able to divide Regular and Ranker plotline separately and will be able to do it well.
 

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I have a feeling after this Arc Baam is going to get separated from Khun and Rak, whether due to Baam meeting Traumerei or due to Maschenny's machinations it remains to be seen.It will be good because SIU will able to divide Regular and Ranker plotline separately and will be able to do it well.
Until the fans cry about it and he forces them back together again after like a month.
 

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screw the so called fans, let siu write the story he wants
That's not how it really works in reality, though. It's a business/product as much as (if not more than) an artistic endeavor. SIU and his bosses at Naver are more likely to shape the story in a direction that pleases the readers, because not doing so means lost clicks and less revenue.
 

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It's entirely plausible that some or all of those could be better in that regard than some relatively unspectacular child of the Ha Family. Look at Yura, for example. She has no talent whatsoever in the typical Ha characteristics.
Lol and she had no talent just a ridiculous item, travel bag!
 

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Lol and she had no talent just a ridiculous item, travel bag!
Exactly what I mean. But she is a daughter of the Ha Family. Would you say that someone like Pudidy or Holan has a weaker body or less talent in reinforcement than her? Point being, every family is going to produce duds on occasion.
 

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Exactly what I mean. But she is a daughter of the Ha Family. Would you say that someone like Pudidy or Holan has a weaker body or less talent in reinforcement than her? Point being, every family is going to produce duds on occasion.
It could be more of a bloodline thing but I agree, she seemed far too ordinary
 

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Fans are the reason why SIU hesitates to ever have a solid victory in fights, that's 100% obvious in outcomes and no extenuating circumstances ('I was tired' or 'only one arm' or 'I left my best owl at home' or 'I couldn't go all out because XYZ' etc), that is so decisive it couldn't be argued that so-and-so could have done better under circumstances A or B, or if C character hadn't jumped in last minute.

It's also why all the main characters never seem to die or be killed off. Hell, isn't Chang or whatever still alive? AA was resurrected. All the boss fights end in someone living. Aria survived White. Baam came back to life (again). EVK is saved from WGW. Doom wasn't killed by Rei's summons smashing the prison to bits. Yas' core remains. Etc etc.

All this just creates confusion for the readers and destroys the prospect of tension.
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I wonder if we should start taking bets on whether Jinsung gets surprise murked by Traumerei. I'd prefer he didn't, for several reasons.
Same. Jinsung has served his purpose. On one hand, he's a great character. On the other hand, the bait worked and Baam is where everyone wanted him to be. Baam has surpassed him in raw power. While, yes, Jinsung still has 'moves' to teach Baam, and more interestingly to me info and lore to expand upon, it wouldn't be surprisingly from a narrative perspective to kill him off now falling on a grenade for Baam or something (he already tried as much before). Please ToG god (SIU/Sly), don't have him taken hostage again. IF Baam truly needs to know Dragon-Tiger Gate at this point (that's arguable as he seems to have more potent arsenal now anyways), then he could learn that on the fly or watching Jinsung do it one last time before his arms explode for good.

All that said, just like my previous comment alluded to, SIU has a hard time killing likable characters off to move the plot along or increase the drama load due to the fandom.

So, Jinsung will probably live forever.
 

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Exactly what I mean. But she is a daughter of the Ha Family. Would you say that someone like Pudidy or Holan has a weaker body or less talent in reinforcement than her? Point being, every family is going to produce duds on occasion.
No, but inferior to any other family’s BH in their respective ranks lol
 
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Gustang is not only an irregular wave controller but also mad scientist. Those combo would destroy the likes of traumerei and his shineuh. Be it wave attack, bio weapon, genjutsu, robots/golem, magical tools, even his simole wink etc. He is too smart to show his overall capabililies to be appraised by ranking adm. He is far surpassed blossom already

Tperie. Lighthouse is not only for peeking. It could possess the greatest fire power and mirror wall and powerful sealing too. Even khun level enna core is already amazing. Tperie gods eye and opera would make him invincible. he worked with the workshop and ultimately creates opera and other innovations. So he is another genius like gustang.
There must be a good reason why we havent met this family member (or have we?tuperie repellista zahard?), Tuperie family doesnt look like having great influence in the tower compared to top FH, YET she/he is placed just right below Yurin. So if not influence, must be his capability/strength is that great.

Ari Han pursue peace and balance. It is said that he has quite the power and influence to do so. So i expect he wouldnt be at the bottom. Combat strength might be 7 or 8 among FH.

My opinion is align with the ranking adm office with a slight variation:
Zahard,
Hon, Eduan, Yurin, Gustang (yes, above blossom. In 1v1, unlike blossom, after eons He has much more than just wave controlling, unlike the ultra genius but lazy blossom. Knowledge eventually wins over talent),
blossom, tperie, bloodmadder, Han, Hana, traumerei
Pretty much this. While I think @PGT is pretty close to the money otherwise, I see people sleeping on Gustang. Which I think is not wise.

Gustang:

- has a deeper access to the Workshop than arguably anyone else in the tower, probably even Zahard himself (the later relying on Gustang for the the tech to do the princess program). This is the same Workshop that can recreate life, pseudo (if not real) admin, shinwonryu, and know enough about thryssas to have a serum to be used against them (implying they've worked with them before). All the advanced tower weapons come from them, and, oh, they probably have access to outside the tower and all that implies as well.
- has a more than probable alliance with Headon. Headon, the only admin that can actually travel, the first admin, arguably the most powerful, the one who determines who can even come in the tower (by shutting them down on 1F if he chooses to do so), and has been called the TRUE god of the tower.
- has obtained a relic/tech in the bracelet that Zahard REALLY didn't want him to have, and that the later went to great lengths to hide. This is probably tech from the Workshop anyways going back to the first point. Gustang doing this was enough to move Zahard personally and then issue orders against his compatriot in a tower-spanning war that hasn't happened in tens of thousands of years
- has ties to FUG, and by extension probably Luslec - and thus Baam. What more needs to be said if he has a Baam on his side, even if it's an uneasy alliance or an alliance of necessity? Oh, and Luslec as well, probably the only capable FUG member and one that would take at least a FH or Adori to stop if he were to 'move'
- has a backup Rachel if need be. While she sucks hard, maybe he'll engineer her into a proper weapon yet. That's the only two irregulars of recent memory or importance that are inside the tower
- oh, and he knows/knew where portions of the thorn are, probably the other pieces as well - implying he was saving them for the right wielder, and knows Baam will be reliable enough to put his influence and energy behind Baam getting all the pieces. This is THE thorn, the most important weapon in the tower and the piece needed to kill the king. That alone is enough.
- has some incredibly-powerful princesses on his 'side' - his daughter if he can spring her (which will obviously happen) is powerful enough to rival even Adori, maybe even a FH or two to a stalemate (stopping short of being able to kill them due to contracts). And of course the hidden princess on FoD which I bet is at least top100 material, maybe even approaching Mas levels.
- and to the above point while their love has died, they have the commonality in a daughter, so he might very well have Eurasia on his side as well.
- has sidelined Urek from working against him (the only wildcard he couldn't directly control that he reported to someone that's his equal or greater - probably Headon or Macseth). Urek is on the fence about fighting Zahard (even if as a simp for princess), but he notably has no beef with Gustang. This is a feather in Gustang's cap, and Urek can only remain neutral for so long. Once/if Yuri is in trouble, or Baam, or both, or the whole tower is on fire in a war then Wingtree will have to pick a side. There's every reason to believe it won't be the pro-Zahard side, thus that means more of a chance he'll end up on Gustang's side by default.

Gustang *IS* Aizen (hell, he even favors him, and he's the leet scientist of the group of 13). He's playing two steps ahead of everyone in the tower. Zahard and even Rei are reactionary. That puts them behind the curve and on defense. Gustang probably knows all there is to know about their fighting style and weak points.

While the story/author via Zahard has pitted the two mad scientists against each other, they aren't equals from a cerebral perspective. Rei may or may not be highly intelligent, but I don't see any evidence he's as intelligent or connected as Gustang. He's more the sadistic scientist - the throw some shit into a box and see what comes out alive type. Gustang is far more methodical and predictable. This is like comparing Mayuri (Rei) to Aizen or Uruhara (Gustang). They're both intelligent (questionable for Rei - he seems to rely on Workshop and makes questionable choices) scientists, but one clearly outclasses the other.

I bet Gustang has planned out as much as can be. He's working on the Vizard with the Gotei 13 are playing catchup and haven't even caught on to his machinations. IF/WHEN they think they have him cornered he'll be caught in a protective beam rendering him untouchable, take off his glasses, and slick his hair back as he's teleported to either outside the tower or FoD.

Sure, Gustang might be - compared to his fellow irregulars only - relatively 'weak' in his vessel. Yurin certainly has more durable hide and harder punches. Eduan certainly has more powerful snipes and spearings (and more potent shinsoo qualities). Hon has more vicious bladework. Other FH WCs may have more violent shinsoo/shinwonryu blasts. Etc.

But, I put my money on Gustang knowing *precisely* how to counter each one (think: more Batman than Superman) in an event that pits them against each other.

Moreover, I bet he has ways of undermining them entirely to avoid direct confrontation, or has worked behind the scenes to form alliances so he never has to fight them to begin with. OR he has someone else in mind to do his dirty work (Baam, Rachel, Luslec, any connections beefed up with GongBong tech, admin involvement).

Then, we have all this in mind when we consider Gustang HAS to know the threats and risks, and yet STILL chose to point his blade at Zahard (he doesn't seem to be suicidal, but calculating). That's not an act of balls (although it takes balls), that's an act that someone with all the information on his side and the knowledge to crunch the data and predict outcomes knows the dust will settle with him being victorious.

I've seen a similar argument - 'Rei and/or Zahard think Rei is qualified to take Gustang by himself!'

Well, that argument has several flaws. Zahard could be using his WEAKEST ally to draw out his potent enemy and gauge his war power. Or to see how the allies go - a test of sorts to see where the 'maybe' FH's join in. Or maybe Rei is the biggest ass-kisser and is thus easiest to manipulate even if it's a losing battle (enabling stronger FH allies time to prepare, or soften up Gustang before the bigger guns come out). Or maybe Rei even volunteered as much, to get Zahard's approval (possibly an ancient beef). Or maybe it's as simple as the trope of scientists fight other scientists.

In any event, LPB is having a terrible showing all things considered. I highly doubt even with his entire family Rei could take Gustang directly. Gustang is ready for him, and even Zahard.

TLDR: go Gustang, Rei ain't shit
 
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Fans are the reason why SIU hesitates to ever have a solid victory in fights, that's 100% obvious in outcomes and no extenuating circumstances ('I was tired' or 'only one arm' or 'I left my best owl at home' or 'I couldn't go all out because XYZ' etc), that is so decisive it couldn't be argued that so-and-so could have done better under circumstances A or B, or if C character hadn't jumped in last minute.

It's also why all the main characters never seem to die or be killed off. Hell, isn't Chang or whatever still alive? AA was resurrected. All the boss fights end in someone living. Aria survived White. Baam came back to life (again). EVK is saved from WGW. Doom wasn't killed by Rei's summons smashing the prison to bits. Yas' core remains. Etc etc.

All this just creates confusion for the readers and destroys the prospect of tension.
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Same. Jinsung has served his purpose. On one hand, he's a great character. On the other hand, the bait worked and Baam is where everyone wanted him to be. Baam has surpassed him in raw power. While, yes, Jinsung still has 'moves' to teach Baam, and more interestingly to me info and lore to expand upon, it wouldn't be surprisingly from a narrative perspective to kill him off now falling on a grenade for Baam or something (he already tried as much before). Please ToG god (SIU/Sly), don't have him taken hostage again. IF Baam truly needs to know Dragon-Tiger Gate at this point (that's arguable as he seems to have more potent arsenal now anyways), then he could learn that on the fly or watching Jinsung do it one last time before his arms explode for good.

All that said, just like my previous comment alluded to, SIU has a hard time killing likable characters off to move the plot along or increase the drama load due to the fandom.

So, Jinsung will probably live forever.
Off the top of my head, I think SIU just doesn't (like to) kill people often, whether they are Good Guys or Bad Guys. Rachel who I dislike for instance should have died a long time ago, but she's still around. Another is/was Hell Joe who was a bad guy but SIU saved him, even White is not truly dead.

Speaking for myself I am not eager to have Jinsung dead. He could easily just retire, He could go back and live his hermit style life just like he was before Maschenny went after him.

In summary I disagree with those who say/think that painful deaths are neccesary for character development

If I recall well, the people who have died are Akraptor, Vee, the Hell train conductor, and some with a horn girl that Rachel killed, the chicken person on Hell train, and maybe a few more. Call me a softie, but I like that. I dislike "dark" manga with deaths everywhere.

I remember trying out Attack of Titan, but I dropped it really fast.
We all have our preferences and I respect that, but for me I kind of like it light with few deaths. I prefer that the few that do die are really hateful characters and certainly not ones that I have had the chance to develop an empathy for.

In summary I tend to disagree with those who say/think that painful deaths are necessary for character development of a comic book hero.
 

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Off the top of my head, I think SIU just doesn't (like to) kill people often, whether they are Good Guys or Bad Guys. Rachel who I dislike for instance should have died a long time ago, but she's still around. Another is/was Hell Joe who was a bad guy but SIU saved him, even White is not truly dead.

Speaking for myself I am not eager to have Jinsung dead. He could easily just retire, He could go back and live his hermit style life just like he was before Maschenny went after him.

In summary I disagree with those who say/think that painful deaths are neccesary for character development

If I recall well, the people who have died are Akraptor, Vee, the Hell train conductor, and some with a horn girl that Rachel killed, the chicken person on Hell train, and maybe a few more. Call me a softie, but I like that. I dislike "dark" manga with deaths everywhere.

I remember trying out Attack of Titan, but I dropped it really fast.
We all have our preferences and I respect that, but for me I kind of like it light with few deaths. I prefer that the few that do die are really hateful characters and certainly not ones that I have had the chance to develop an empathy for.

In summary I tend to disagree with those who say/think that painful deaths are necessary for character development of a comic book hero.
That's fine, but I think a happy medium works fine. If no one of consequence ever dies, it's just Sesame Street with infanticide.
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Oh, and I don't 'want' Jinsung to die per se. I like his character and would be happy he stayed around.
 

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Off the top of my head, I think SIU just doesn't (like to) kill people often, whether they are Good Guys or Bad Guys. Rachel who I dislike for instance should have died a long time ago, but she's still around. Another is/was Hell Joe who was a bad guy but SIU saved him, even White is not truly dead.
It's not us reader that decided that TOG is gonna be dark. SIU is that one who made TOG a harsh place, that climbing claim many lives, that people use any means to climb higher. Even at the start killing was rampant, like Endorsi's group massacred most regulars at her test. SIU changing the atmosphere of TOG by making killing rarer is his mistake. I expected TOG to be more GoT like, more liberal in named characters being killed.
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And I don't mean enemies getting killed, friends or acquittances of Baam being killed. People that readers have emotionally (more or less) invested in getting offed at per the nature of TOG.
 

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I have a feeling after this Arc Baam is going to get separated from Khun and Rak, whether due to Baam meeting Traumerei or due to Maschenny's machinations it remains to be seen.It will be good because SIU will able to divide Regular and Ranker plotline separately and will be able to do it well.
We can only hope.
 

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It's entirely plausible that some or all of those could be better in that regard than some relatively unspectacular child of the Ha Family. Look at Yura, for example. She has no talent whatsoever in the typical Ha characteristics.
Her blood is pretty diluted in generations she don’t even have any Ha’s characteristic

black hair
Black eyes/red
Red shinsu
Body reinforcement techniques
She is some bastard kid like inieta who had more than her genetically speaking.
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That's fine, but I think a happy medium works fine. If no one of consequence ever dies, it's just Sesame Street with infanticide.
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Oh, and I don't 'want' Jinsung to die per se. I like his character and would be happy he stayed around.
Ha members are the coolest of the 10 so far.
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Fans are the reason why SIU hesitates to ever have a solid victory in fights, that's 100% obvious in outcomes and no extenuating circumstances ('I was tired' or 'only one arm' or 'I left my best owl at home' or 'I couldn't go all out because XYZ' etc), that is so decisive it couldn't be argued that so-and-so could have done better under circumstances A or B, or if C character hadn't jumped in last minute.

It's also why all the main characters never seem to die or be killed off. Hell, isn't Chang or whatever still alive? AA was resurrected. All the boss fights end in someone living. Aria survived White. Baam came back to life (again). EVK is saved from WGW. Doom wasn't killed by Rei's summons smashing the prison to bits. Yas' core remains. Etc etc.

All this just creates confusion for the readers and destroys the prospect of tension.
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Same. Jinsung has served his purpose. On one hand, he's a great character. On the other hand, the bait worked and Baam is where everyone wanted him to be. Baam has surpassed him in raw power. While, yes, Jinsung still has 'moves' to teach Baam, and more interestingly to me info and lore to expand upon, it wouldn't be surprisingly from a narrative perspective to kill him off now falling on a grenade for Baam or something (he already tried as much before). Please ToG god (SIU/Sly), don't have him taken hostage again. IF Baam truly needs to know Dragon-Tiger Gate at this point (that's arguable as he seems to have more potent arsenal now anyways), then he could learn that on the fly or watching Jinsung do it one last time before his arms explode for good.

All that said, just like my previous comment alluded to, SIU has a hard time killing likable characters off to move the plot along or increase the drama load due to the fandom.

So, Jinsung will probably live forever.
That’s why i stop reading the Biggest bs of the century
Nanatsu no taizai - seven deadly sins
Nobody dieeeeee and when they do somehow they get back to life even strongers lol that’s the worst creation of all 1,900-2,020. Fr bro
I can’t imagine how soft the authors can be
I hate them.
 

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Baam rip of the thick skin of high rankers now.At last Siu at last.
 

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One can be powerful and still have a frail body lol(Pain in Naruto)! Ren was controlling a vessel and Shinheuh from a different floor, so yes he’s a powerful anima. YHS was buffed up from being a substitute floor ruler
I don’t think he was in another floor
But far from the test remember every floor is like a Earth continent. I do think he used all he has in that last attack to yuri.. he’s just weak.. he said he was considered talented by the people of the tower but now we know that they are ignorant of the vast world of the tower.. lol holan even thought he was the biggest talent in the family since traumerei LOL
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The LPB regents maybe not too powerful compare with the others 10 family top members.. but when perseus said l: “they have a power above us” and that they keep the family working in time of war when the head is not at home that means that they can mantain the control in the family even if traumerei is not around
They probably has a talent to control all the BH like traum because this is the way this family works!!
 

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surely akryung knows whats going on, I have no problem with him coming to the Nest. Where are you V??
 

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Yura was insufferable. As is everyone associated with, and including, Rachel.

I take that back - Akryung is interesting. And now she's team Gustang but only as a mascot bug.
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surely akryung knows whats going on, I have no problem with him coming to the Nest. Where are you V??
Shit. I was JUST mentioning the man. Zombie V ftw
 
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