Chapter Tower of God Chapter 538 Spoilers & Discussion

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Tower of God Chapter 538 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[DeadCosmos]

hybrider is not the bomb! 1. its a monster 2. it was in the prison and meant to be a boss for Bam 3. Mccage expected the boss to come to bam's field and was surprised when it didn't! It cant blow up cat tower if not in cat tower!

 

[Big-Bird]

hybrider is not the bomb! 1. its a monster 2. it was in the prison and meant to be a boss for Bam 3. Mccage expected the boss to come to bam's field and was surprised when it didn't! It cant blow up cat tower if not in cat tower!

For me it is Fucile because:
-when we said that there is a bomb and that it will explode there was no reaction.
-the main reason: I want it to be him (I would die on this hill)

 

[Ignorant]

Again the fact that traumerei can’t tame levi don’t mean traumerei is weaker is just an ability that can be learned or passed down
This was stated by WW before die, he passed this to his sons
Yas learned from hybrider
Acrinak born with it
Hybrider too
Levi probably too
Soo the ability still a mistery
But there are not stronger than traumerei not even close.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022, Original Post Date: Apr 13, 2022 ---

Traumerei has 7 beast all of them stronger than Yas and Yama
And he is probably stronger than theses 7 beast together stop the cap and belittling traumerei

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

Another thing is that traumerei can have a beast stronger than levi because the ability to not be controlled by anyone is not about power is about instincts

 

[O_n_Sly]

hybrider is not the bomb! 1. its a monster 2. it was in the prison and meant to be a boss for Bam 3. Mccage expected the boss to come to bam's field and was surprised when it didn't! It cant blow up cat tower if not in cat tower!

Yet Yas had enough time to conduct his research on it! And I’m guessing planting a bomb in Hybridder was a fail-safe

 

[Ignorant]

So Yas and Maschenny are not allies as you believed
Because the third khun looking for the bomb now

Yet Yas had enough time to conduct his research on it! And I’m guessing planting a bomb in Hybridder was a fail-safe

 

[O_n_Sly]

So Yas and Maschenny are not allies as you believed
Because the third khun looking for the bomb now

Allies to a degree! Yas or his divcos gave that Kuhn girl the key to Hybridder’s cell!

 

[sazon]

We can say elphation probably a top 300
But if he didn’t kill a top 300 he not in the ranks
There’s probably a lot top 100 in power but not in rank due to this rule
No everybody is trying to kill another person in tower.

I think the vast majority here agree with that.

The tower is stagnant, to the point where someone like HJ who has been missing for hundreds of thousands of years is still in the top 100.

BTW, I don't think Elphation has the level of a top 300, EVK was pretty categorical about it and although she is a monster, he didn't show anything to indicate that.

 

[paulbee]

Love, Urek, the Big Breader, Data Jahad, Charlie, Kallavan, Doom, White and Rachel (twice)

I think we are reading two different Manwahs

 

[sazon]

Theres rumors in the baek ryun profile
That he’s probably from one of the 10 families
I assume this profile are created with SIU BlogPOST.
To be more clear
PB, Yeon and eurasia. The WC FHs

but he’s ranked #9 just for being the leader of the ranker in the #4 spot and his group..
But he also credited for being one of strongest WC
Read this: he call headon attention when he found out this guy used shinsu before started climbing
But no a regular user if not a talented user
That’s why the rumor he’s from a family
Due to they are the only kids who born under contracts to use shinsu before making contract with 2 floor admin.

so this can be the 2nd case where a DD surpass a FH in the rank.. but its to hard to confirm if he can live for this rank in term of power just with that complicate stupid ranking list as base.

I don't know if you followed, but the SIU used to do this a lot, it launched "rumors", it was even cool because it gave a greater immersion.

There has always been a debate, some believe these rumors are true and others that it was just SIU instigating some things.

I personally don't think Headon would be interested in him if he ended up just being a kid who won the genetic lottery of the 10 families.

BTW, he is already considered one of the most talented WCs in tower history, apart from Enne probably no one in the Eurasia family can match him in talent. (Blossom obviously doesn't count).

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022, Original Post Date: Apr 13, 2022 ---

All of that happened while he lost authority to Lyborick. He was chained by rule. You should read the context.

You are demanding too much of him.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

Didn't Baam, AA, and Rak absorb majority of his power?

Baam absorbed 99.5% Rak and AA only received a drop of it, or SIU is dumber than he ever was with this PU.

BTW, just throw Vincent onto the EVK battleground and he quickly regains his power.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

Now that I have read the chapter it doesn't seem that hopeless but it still feels like Doom is underestimating Traumerei's abilities. He showed that he can teleport people.

But I think there's a range limit, because if not, he wouldn't have to come to the nest to get Baam.

The ADD must greatly limit the action of the FH, after all, that's what shackles are for.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

If they aren’t gonna fight that would be so anticlimactic. This fight NEEDS to happen to show everybody just that not only irregulars are not in the same league as others,but that they aren’t even playing the same sport.

It won't be anticlimactic because from the start we know Rei wants something from Baam.

And nobody thinks Baam can win now.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

The comment that seems strangest to me here is what yama mentioned about traumerei not having a bowl. I would have assumed traumerei had a couple anima which didn't require a bowl since his descendants have that (say, elaine) but him not using bowls at all kinda defies the lore. Maybe he can make a bowl with his shinsoo? Invisible bowl? Maybe his robe is the bowl..

He's the biggest anima in the Tower, make sense. Elaine's case is special because Fenryl is a spirit beast, as must be the case with Dobo and perhaps Hollam's fossils.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

Something else I have been thinking... We know the LPB agreed to take on the po bidao family under certain conditions but looking at traumerei it's a bit of a hard sell that he got behind this plan. Let alone that he has not evidenced an interest in the war at all. It's hard to imagine traumerei making moves to get more political power as well. Imagine caring about political power among the trifles. I am thinking that it's probably one or both of the family's top 2 that got behind this... Though I can't imagine how traumerei showing up at the war affected their plans. Of course, even with bam a victory against traumerei as things are in the nest is 110% impossible so on that front it's hard to imagine traumerei's presence being a problem... But traumerei won't be quite a reliable ally on the field either. Everyone is on their toes trying to not get smited...

Come and get on the train of the theory that Rei was a fanatic for V and not Zahard.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

it looks like vicente doesnt really know much about spells, he just reads from books.. anyone can do that. Aria and vicente should not be in the story.

What? It is said that Vincent is much better at spells than White.

Lol, the guy just guided Baam in destroying the seal of levi.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

• Satcha bears the "Lo Po Bia" name before the "Ha" name.
• Enne Zahard does not bear the "Po Bidau" name.
• The Ha Twins do not bear the "Ari" name.

Given all the last names seen so far, Ha Satcha is the exception, not the rule.

Do you know if Enne didn't have the name Po Bidau before she was princess?

Do you know the name of the Ha twins?

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

Lefav don’t use lighthouse she’s not a light bearer but a spear-bearer.. she is not a fisherman to play every position, YHS is fisherman but he’s not using light houses he appear in the same panel beside YAs and Yama changing the trajectory of that big attack.. take a look again.

and before somebody say; “YhS Is A wAve ConTroller” we had seen him
Using light houses really well
Waves of shinsu water
Being an anima
Melee fights - scout

thanks

HR can play in all conventional positions.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022 ---

During the Name Hunt Station, Khun Ran name was announced loud (with surname included). His name garner attention further as he defeat Hesse. Arie Inieta confirmed that he know this, however, he only conclude that Ran is a DD because Ran has sturdy body that able to withstand his attack. It means even non-DD can bear Khun surname.

If even the wives have the name Koon, the grandchildren won't? lmao

 

[Cinera]

Do you know if Enne didn't have the name Po Bidau before she was princess?

She was Eurasia Enne before she became Eurasia Enne Zahard.

Given all the last names seen so far, Ha Satcha is the exception, not the rule.

No, she's not. There are only two people that have the names of two great Families:

1. Lyborick
2. Ha Satcha

Thus, there is no rule for Satcha to be exempt from. People that bear the name of only one Great Family are irrelevant to the consideration.

Do you know the name of the Ha twins?

No, and that's why I removed them from later comments on the topic.

If even the wives have the name Koon, the grandchildren won't? lmao

The wives do not have the name "Khun". SIU said that AA's Mother has "Agnis" as her Family name:
Season 1 Episode 12 Blog Post

Khun is a character I am personally attached to somewhat.
Out of the 3 main characters, perhaps he is the most human.
He acts cool and tough, but he actually sways a lot and he is sensitive.
There has been lots of questions about Khun’s bloodline, As seen in this chapter, he is a son of the Khun Family, one of the 10 Great Families.

Agnes is his mother’s family name.

She is not "Khun Agnis", that's just completely unsubstantiated headcanon. SIU has previously said that only spouses of the Yeon Family are required to take the Family name on marriage. The idea that Eduan's wives have the Khun name is completely without basis (and again, her Family name is "Agnis").

"Khun Maschenny" has Khun as her Family name because she was born into the Khun Family (consider how unlike AA's Mother, she does not have a separate Family name. "Maschenny" is her first name).

 

[O_n_Sly]

So I’ve been wondering why would Cheonhee be rejected from the Ha family at 1st??? Maybe her mother is Yurin and the Twins rejected her because of that fact! It just doesn’t make sense for some to be shunned from the family then to be made the teacher for the family talent, Yuri!!!

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022, Original Post Date: Apr 13, 2022 ---

Yurin’s bastard!

 

[paulbee]

So I’ve been wondering why would Cheonhee be rejected from the Ha family at 1st??? Maybe her mother is Yurin and the Twins rejected her because of that fact! It just doesn’t make sense for some to be shunned from the family then to be made the teacher for the family talent, Yuri!!!

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022, Original Post Date: Apr 13, 2022 ---

Yurin’s bastard!

LOL, Kind of ironic, Does the term Bastard still have any purpose in this Manwah stuffed full of milenia of prolific baby making?

 

[Cinera]

@kkck: your theory re: Traumerei and the Po Bidau Family makes no sense. The entire plan to give Baam to Traumerei was contingent on the Lo Po Bia Family agreeing to wage war on the Po Bidau Family. Traumerei is clearly the one behind the request for Baam, so he must know the conditions that the Administration set for delivering him Baam.

When a character is introduced in ToG along with their position, this position is the primary/main position, it can differ from the actual position that they took in battle as battlefield is constantly fluctuating. Note that Khun Eduan can also be a fisherman, but no tower residents would say Khun Eduan is a fisherman... they would say Khun Eduan is a spear bearer.

Wrong. Eduan's Blog Post labelled him as a "Fisherman/Spear Bearer" he (like Maschenny and Ran) has two primary positions.

Maschenny and Ran have both been addressed as "Fisherman" before.

 

[Yelnats]

Wrong. Eduan's Blog Post labelled him as a "Fisherman/Spear Bearer" he (like Maschenny and Ran) has two primary positions.

Maschenny and Ran have both been addressed as "Fisherman" before.

First of all, primary means most important which come from latin word (primus) which means first. There can only be one most important or first.

Khun Eduan is also a Fisherman, but his primary/main position is Spear Bearer. At one point, even Data Zahard reminded Data Khun Eduan that the latter is a Spear Bearer. Khun Eduan is also acknowledged as the greates Spear Bearer in the tower and his weapon is spear. If you are still not satisfied by that, feel free to debate the people at fandom who listed Khun Eduan position as:
Spear Bearer (primary)
Fisherman
Jeonsula

Both Maschenny siblings can indeed become both Fisherman or Spear Bearer, I don't know which position is their respective primary/main position. As for Ran, it is implied by Nobick that Ran took Fisherman position for fun and only assume Spear Bearer position when he is serious.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 13, 2022, Original Post Date: Apr 13, 2022 ---

So I’ve been wondering why would Cheonhee be rejected from the Ha family at 1st???

Cheonhee explained via flashback that she was rejected because her father is a courtesan (prostitute) in the Ha Family.

 

[AdityaG]

... Leviathan with firefish would probably beat traumerei though.

This. The only truth there is to 'beating' Traumerai here !

 

[Yelnats]

So why do Traumerei want to meet Baam?

 

[Pro Factor]

So why do Traumerei want to meet Baam?

I guess we will find out m,but meeting the irregular in thr tower is kinda a big deal even if you are irregular yourself. Possibly to do something for him that only climbing irregular could do similar to Gustang request.

 

[Fortress of Solitude]

But Gustang is not Bam ennemy and wanted to stole Zahard item, Traumerei is Zahard lazy lackey.
It can't be something like that.

I like the idea Traumerei wants to go outside the Tower to never see again a trifle.

 

[Cinera]

Both Maschenny siblings can indeed become both Fisherman or Spear Bearer, I don't know which position is their respective primary/main position. As for Ran, it is implied by Nobick that Ran took Fisherman position for fun and only assume Spear Bearer position when he is serious.

Maschenny and Ran have Fisherman as their primary position per SIU. They are Ranked higher as Spear Bearers than Fishermen because of the Maschenny Style Lightning Spear technique:
Season 2 Episode 47 Blog Post

The Maschenny-style Lightning Spear technique is only passed down in Maschenny's branch of the Khun Family,
(in Ran's case, due to the Lightning Spear technique,
his ranking as a Spear Bearer is higher than his ranking as a Fisherman.)

Source

Hiatus Discussions

Maschenney is a fisherman (but she is better as a spearbearer).

Source

So Eduan being better as a Spear Bearer than a Fisherman does not mean that Fisherman is his primary position. That's just the Khun nature.

Khun Eduan is also a Fisherman, but his primary/main position is Spear Bearer. At one point, even Data Zahard reminded Data Khun Eduan that the latter is a Spear Bearer. Khun Eduan is also acknowledged as the greates Spear Bearer in the tower and his weapon is spear. If you are still not satisfied by that, feel free to debate the people at fandom who listed Khun Eduan position as:
Spear Bearer (primary)
Fisherman
Jeonsula

There's a lot of headcanon on the wiki and Eduan being primarily a Spear Bearer is just more of that. It was never explicitly said in the Webtoon.

 

[Olly]

Kallavan never fought back his main concern was Baam the entire time!

i have seen many people here arguing whether revolution bam is stronger than kallavan or if white was stronger than kallavan. Lets just see who is really stronger:

1st encounter btn white & kallavan: white was able to scratch an unreinforced with shinshu kallavan, then once kallavan put on some shinshu reinforcement he was having the up hand thought white stated in his mind that in his prime he would never loose to him.

2nd encounter: white had absorbed the branch leader and other souls which made him be in his prime form and then fought one arm tied kallavan and was winning, and then kallavan untied the other arm and white also took out the strongest sword he can make at the moment and the battle seemed even kallavan was blocking white’s attacks and so is white both named attacks letter kallavan’s right arm reached its limit due to being injured by bam and it was cut off and kallvan made another arm out of shinshu and continued the fight, after seing bam trying to save the cage he went on defense so he can find just a way to punch bam and kill him and after the his flagship blown off the fight between white and kallavan ended concluding no winner.

lets make some comparison:

• jinsung ha considered top 100 was wrecked by kallavan named attacks but white on the hand he slashed kallavan named attacks. making white defense better than Jinsung ha’s
• Jinsung approched kallavan and landed a final blow which did numb on kallavan but still kallavan being durable as he is ended up making jinsung a mess. In thay jinsung ha attack was better considering the amount of damage he made on kallavan.
• so u can say kallavan wasnt able to harm white and neither was white making them pretty much equal
• as for jinsung he clearly lost that battle though if they were to fight again it will be diffucult to state who wins though kallavan would be in favor. Making white slightly superior to jinsung.
• as for revolution bam. He fought a much stronger white than the one who fought kallavan why ? because white absorbed all the canine souls that died in that explosion, and higher ranker like luch and other kallavan minions that were in the flagship making white stronger and later in the cat tower he fought the new 4th Division commander (higher ranker) who were expiremented on(suggesting he is special)and white absorbed his soul also, after he also absorbed that sofia’s student soul. White after kallavan fight>>>>white who fought kallavan.
• So bam overwhelmed white, he was blocking his swords with his hands remeinder its the strongest sword as white stated, none of white shinshu was even touching bam, bam’s shinshu density was so high that it overflow and started to rain. And later on white admitted that bam was indeed much stronger than him. remember when white first fought kallavan stated that in his prime he could never loose to kallavan claiming he was stronger than him, but he is even stronger thus admitting that bam is superior to him. As we know bam ended up absorbing the biggest part of power of white since his body can take it, though khun and rak took some i dont think took much as bam considering the fact ur body needs to be able to whistand the power.
• u can say revolution bam without white’s power is superior to kallavan like way superior and after white’s power then the gap is too much. Amd when u include Levi i dont have words for it, considering he is only using now levi’s leaking power and not bothering with others and one blast from levi destroyed that cobla that dowon never even scratched. and after that bam isnt even. Trying against holan the most talented after Rei in his family though he is not much.
• i have seen some say bam cant use all the power inside remember that he said he can focus all his power to one point which confirms he can use them. and all that he isn’t in his final form. Where he can ignite all the thorns i wonder how much stronger he could be, family level or close i dont know but he would be terrifying even if he would be able to use that much power for 5 second as asta .
• u can say revolution bam with one thorn out is like top 60 or 50, then plus white power a stable top 50 when u add Levi true power then a stable top 30 and if he ignites one thorn top 20 atbest two thorns a stable top 20 like the closest to other irregulars.
• Durability: kallavan>white>jinsung ha
• Techniques:jinsung ha>white>kallavan
• firepower:white>kallavan>jinsung
• Overall:white:7, kallavan:6, jinsung:5
• Then it goes bam>>>kallavan after lyborick>white>jinsung.