Chapter Tower of God Chapter 538 Spoilers & Discussion

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[Jyu viole grace]

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Tower of God Chapter 538 - Alpha Scans

Bam, who was alone all his life has entered the tower to chase after his only friend, Rachel, but how will he survive without having any special strength or power?“What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever...

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[Cinera]

I am not saying "son" but patrilineal descendant. It is the standard of Po Bidau family that the surname is in front.

All Great Families put their names at the front:

1. Arie Hoaquin
2. Ari Han
3. Eurasia Enne
4. Ha Jinsung
5. Hendo Lok Gladmerry
6. Khun Icardi
7. Lo Po Bia Elaine
8. Po Bidau Gustang
9. Tu Perie T'perie
10. Yeon Yihwa

There is not a single Great Family that does not place their names in front.

There are only two characters with names of both Great Families:

1. Lo Po Bia Ha Satcha
2. Po Bidau Lyborick Khun

There is no standard or norm for people with names of multiple Great Families. The two examples we have follow different naming conventions. Speculating on Lyborick's heritage/affiliations because of the order of his Great Family names is idiotic.

Satcha case is an adoption case. Lo Po Bia normally put the surname in front just like Po Bidau and Khun. Her original name is Ha Satcha, note that Ha family is matriachal, they put mother surname at the front.

All Families put the surname in front, so it doesn't matter.

As for Zahard, we don't even know if he has full name. We don't even know whether Zahard is a given name or a surname. If Zahard is a surname we don't know whether he came from culture which put surname on the front or at the back.

The Zahard Family always places Zahard at the back:

• Adori Zahard
• Alphid Zahard
• An Zahard
• Endorsi Zahard
• Enne Zahard
• Etc.

 

[sazon]

Wrong. Eduan's Blog Post labelled him as a "Fisherman/Spear Bearer" he (like Maschenny and Ran) has two primary positions.

Maschenny and Ran have both been addressed as "Fisherman" before.

SIU himself says that due to Maschenny's techniques, Ran's skills as a spear wielder are much greater than as a fisherman.

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No, she's not. There are only two people that have the names of two great Families:

1. Lyborick
2. Ha Satcha

Lyborick follows the pattern of any other person in the 10 families with 2 surnames, the only difference being that he is from 2 out of the 10 families.

Koon Aguero Agnis

Koon Marco Asensio

Koon Royal Elliot

Ari Bright Sharon

All the main family names come first, you can even extend it to the zahard princesses, wue although they are part of the imperial family in the name, they are still of the 10 great families.

I don't know where you got that grandchildren or other people can't use the name Koon, if even people adopted by the 10 families can, why not consanguineous ones?

Ha Satcha is not an LPB by birth, she was adopted, so she remains the exception to the rule. All characters with 3 surnames have always appeared with the primary in front and the secondary after and are people who have that name since birth, so yes, she is the exception.

Lyborick being a Koon person only adds to the theory that his inferiority complex stems from his being dumped by Gustang or any other daddy issue.

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So I’ve been wondering why would Cheonhee be rejected from the Ha family at 1st??? Maybe her mother is Yurin and the Twins rejected her because of that fact! It just doesn’t make sense for some to be shunned from the

You saw that the Ha family is extremely misogynistic and that she was rejected due to her father's background, right?

 

[SuperTurtle]

And then we have Jyu Viole Grace and Urek Mazzino with their family name at the end.

Don't look too much in the structure of the names guys.

 

[Cinera]

SIU himself says that due to Maschenny's techniques, Ran's skills as a spear wielder are much greater than as a fisherman.

Yes. Maschenny and are brother are primary Fishermen that are stronger as Spear Bearers:
Hiatus Discussions

Maschenney is a fisherman (but she is better as a spearbearer).

Source

Lyborick follows the pattern of any other person in the 10 families with 2 surnames, the only difference being that he is from 2 out of the 10 families.

Not really.

Koon Marco Asensio

Koon Royal Elliot

Ari Bright Sharon

We don't know that these guys have two Family names. That is, the middle name might simply be their Branch name.
The pattern might be:
{Family Name} {Branch Name} {First Name}

It could also be:
{Paternal Family Name} {Maternal Family Name} {First Name}

We don't know if the extra names they have are their maternal Family name, their Branch name, a mixture of both, or simply a normal middle name.

All the main family names come first, you can even extend it to the zahard princesses, wue although they are part of the imperial family in the name, they are still of the 10 great families.

This is irrelevant. Even Zahard Princesses that don't hail from the Great Families have "Zahard" appear last. "Zahard" is simply always placed as the last name:

• Adori Zahard
• Alphid Zahard
• An Zahard
• Anaak Zahard
• Endorsi Zahard
• Garam Zahard
• Heice Zahard
• Pondo Zahard
• Unie Zahard
• Yuram Zahard

I don't know where you got that grandchildren or other people can't use the name Koon, if even people adopted by the 10 families can, why not consanguineous ones?

Different Families have different standards. In the Khun Family there's a system for the "acknowledged"/"true"/"chosen" sons of Khun. Most of the sons of the Khun Family are the "abandoned" children. The Khun Family is very restrictive about the children they accept. If most direct children of Eduan are not accepted into the Family, why would they accept someone that is not even a son of Eduan?

Ha Satcha is not an LPB by birth, she was adopted, so she remains the exception to the rule. All characters with 3 surnames have always appeared with the primary in front and the secondary after and are people who have that name since birth, so yes, she is the exception.

No, most Princesses of Zahard are not selected from the 10 Families, and they have Zahard appear at the end.
Most of the other characters we've seen, we don't know what their names are like. Take "Khun Marco Asensio".

"Khun" is his Family name. What's "Marco"? What's "Asensio"? The other members of his Family (Maschenny, Eduan, Perez) call him "Asensio", so it seems like Asensio is his first name. Is Marco then his Mother's Family name? Or the name of the Branch he hails from?

"Khun Hynd Luch" also has his first name appear at the end of his name.

"Ari Bright Sharon" which is her first name? "Sharon" or "Bright"?

Same for "Khun Royale Elliot"?

But "Khun Aguero Agnis" has his first name appear in the middle. AA in particular is different from Asensio, Elliot and Luch because we know that "Agnis" is his mother's Family name. While we don't know what's up with the extra names of the other Khun sons.


There is simply no standard for characters with multiple names:

Discussion - Tower of God Naming Conventions are an Inconsistent Mess

Introduction There is simply no consistent and universal protocol for interpreting names in Tower of God. Instead, what we have is an inconsistent mess of different conventions applied differently across various characters. A Simple Example Take "Khun Marco Asensio". "Khun" is his Family...

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There are at least a dozen different naming rules and conventions in the Tower. As far as I can tell, there are only two consistent naming rules across the Tower:

1. People from just one Great Family always have their Family name come first:
2. The Zahard Family name always appears last

No other naming conventions have enough examples for us to be confident that the rules they encapsulate are enforced consistently and universally. Basing anything on them is sheer idiocy.

Lyborick being a Koon person only adds to the theory that his inferiority complex stems from his being dumped by Gustang or any other daddy issue.

Lyborick has shown no indication/inclination towards the Po Bidau Family beyond his name. Nothing suggests that he's Gustang's son.

We've seen his inferiority complex manifest in relation to his imitation Lightning Spear technique:

Discussion - Lyborick's Inferiority Complex and the Lightning Spear Technique

Introduction There is the possibility that the imitation Lightning Spear technique is something Lyborick developed later on (due to his yet to be revealed inferiority complex). It may not have been his original fighting style. During Genesis, it seems as if he didn't fight with the Lightning...

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So it's the most likely cause of his inferiority.

 

[O_n_Sly]

You saw that the Ha family is extremely misogynistic and that she was rejected due to her father's background, right?

Cheonhee explained via flashback that she was rejected because her father is a courtesan (prostitute) in the Ha Family.

That makes no sense tho! Her father was famous for what he did and specifically did it for the Ha family. If her birth was truly an abomination the Twins should of had her killed!!! Misogynistic??? Have you met Yuri???

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Her father mentions that she has the blood of the main family! Obviously that is not from the twin boys LOL!!!

 

[Yelnats]

Speculating on Lyborick's heritage/affiliations because of the order of his Great Family names is idiotic.

Nope, if two family normally put surname at the front and someone who descend from both family put one at the front and one at the back, it means the main family is the one put at the front. As both family happen to be patriachal, logical thinking would conclude that the main family put at front is the patrilineal ancestor.

Is there a footballer named Lyborick? Khun family usually name their descendant with Argentinian/Spanish football (soccer) related name.

Nb: LPB Ha Satcha doesn't descend from LPB family

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Her father was famous for what he did and specifically did it for the Ha family

Infamous...

 

[Turtle hunter]

Why is no one speaking about the purpose off Rei ?

At first we all were thinking that he was a zahard simp and wanted to capture Baam .

But it seems that he want more and even want to talk to Baam .

Him saying he wanted to meet Baam make me remember of Gustang when he first met Baam .

 

[O_n_Sly]

Infamous...

S3ch103 says otherwise

 

[Yelnats]

S3ch103 says otherwise

Famous for negative occupation = infamous

Anyway, in that chapter, Cheonhee father himself stated that it was his courtesan status that make Cheonhee got rejected.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Famous for negative occupation = infamous

In most cases I’d agree but not here! He’s Ha Family famous for pleasing Ha women only! Now he lives rich and free in the Ha territory with cheonhee?

 

[Yelnats]

In most cases I’d agree but not here! He’s Ha Family famous for pleasing Ha women only! Now he lives rich and free in the Ha territory with cheonhee?

Then you disagree with SIU who write the story. Note that in chapter 103, her father pleaded to the official, begging so that his lowly courtesan status will no longer stop Cheonhee from joining the training.

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Why is no one speaking about the purpose off Rei ?

At first we all were thinking that he was a zahard simp and wanted to capture Baam .

But it seems that he want more and even want to talk to Baam .

Him saying he wanted to meet Baam make me remember of Gustang when he first met Baam .

I actually ask about that few posts ago. @Pro Factor speculate that Traum might have a request that only irregular climber can do, similar to Gustang.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Then you disagree with SIU who write the story. Note that in chapter 103, her father pleaded to the official, begging so that his lowly courtesan status will no longer stop Cheonhee from joining the training.

I look at it differently, Cheonhee’s existence allowed her father to retire RICH and live freely in Ha territory! Who has that type of authority to allow that for them? And why would they since her father is such a low person???

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Her father says her mother is SOMEONE IN A HIGH PLACE! The only people described like that in ToG are all FHs!!!

 

[Yelnats]

I look at it differently, Cheonhee’s existence allowed her father to retire RICH and live freely in Ha territory!

Did we read different manhwa?

Her father told Cheonhee to stop trying to join the training squad, he said he became rich from services he give as courtesan.

To put it simply, her father get rich by becoming prostitute. But in Ha family, being a child of a prostitute is negative thing and even barring them from joining training squad. She had to cut all ties with her father to join the training squad.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Did we read different manhwa?

Her father told Cheonhee to stop trying to join the training squad, he said he became rich from services he give as courtesan.

To put it simply, her father get rich by becoming prostitute. But in Ha family, being a child of a prostitute is negative thing and even barring them from joining training squad. She had to cut all ties with her father to join the training squad.

Her father was retired and if the child is an abomination, why let them even stay in the territory!

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Whatever tho her mother is Yurin!!!

 

[lazybum]

Cheonhee backstory :

Tower of God - [Season 3] Ep. 103

What do you desire? Money and wealth? Honor and pride? Authority and power? Revenge? Or something that transcends them all? Whatever you desire—it's here.

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Yurin profile said that she didn't have any children after birthing the twins, despite having lovers after Ari Han.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Someone in a high place… only FHs are talked about that way!!!

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Damn my bad I thought the Ha Twins were boys! Her mother could be a twin? But to describe a twin as SOMEONE IN A HIGH PLACE?!?!

 

[Yelnats]

Her father was retired and if the child is an abomination, why let them even stay in the territory!

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Are you saying that a country which make prostitution illegal should throw away any prostitutes from the country?

Prostitution is illegal in my country, but prostitutes still exist illegally.

This chapter doesn't even have Cheonhee so I should end this conversation with direct quote from Ha Cheonhee:

He know from the start... that it would be hard for me to become a soldier of the main family because I was a courtesan's child. That's why he told me to give up.

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But to describe a twin as SOMEONE IN A HIGH PLACE?!?!

All Ha Family descendants (except Ha Yurin and her twin daughters) descend from the twins.

 

[O_n_Sly]

If a Twin is her mother why not just tell her then?!?!

 

[VON]

Someone in a high place… only FHs are talked about that way!!!

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Damn my bad I thought the Ha Twins were boys! Her mother could be a twin? But to describe a twin as SOMEONE IN A HIGH PLACE?!?!

The twins currently run the Ha Family. That describes their position perfectly.

 

[kkck]

@kkck: your theory re: Traumerei and the Po Bidau Family makes no sense. The entire plan to give Baam to Traumerei was contingent on the Lo Po Bia Family agreeing to wage war on the Po Bidau Family. Traumerei is clearly the one behind the request for Baam, so he must know the conditions that the Administration set for delivering him Baam.

Was it ever specifically said that bam was part of the exchange? If I recall the exchange here was the LPB family getting a squadron in the army in exchange for them fighting the po bidao family. Clearly traumerei wants to meet bam but zahard's army has made zero effort to capture or deliver him.