Chapter Tower of God Chapter 539 Spoilers & Discussion

[shaheer]

Alpha scans released the latest.. perhaps pin it if it's not already posted
https://alpha-scans.org/tower-of-god-chapter-539/

 

[Aliblack]

Rei is offering submittion .

I also want to remind you , that Baam never was really afraid to face far stronger ennemie .

Remember the first chapter with the eel ? or when facing Yama ?

He was scared to death of Zahard.

 

[Yelnats]

Wow, this is a good one

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He doesn't have that power, the moment Baam leaves his range, he can't do anything because the ADM would prevent him from going to the regular area.

And how can Baam escape from his range? If Traum want to tame Baam, the only way to stop Baam from becoming stronger than him is to prevent escape.

 

[SuperTurtle]

You guys realise that Admins are a part of the Tower right ? So you are all saying the same thing...

Contract are shackles when an irregular only rely on it instead of using its privilege. Cf: Baam and the God of Gardiens.

And there are multiples levels of contracts:
- with an Admin like shinsu contract. Only viable on the Admin's floor.
- through an Admin but with the Tower like immortality, kingship, or ranker contract. These contracts clearly extend beyond the Admin that delivered it like the 100th floor or the ranker contract on the 134th.

Irregulars are specials because they have privileges granted by the Tower when they entered, but that doesn't mean they can't gain more of these on the way.

Jahad's kingship contract grants him at least the power of changing some rules like with the Hell Train .
It may also give him more control about fate. He is clearly above the others in this domain. (Traumerai didn't know about Yama, but Jahad did when he sent Yas at the wall).

And Urek is not free from contracts because he is a ranker and so took at least this one.

The conditions for breaking immortality are unknown. Before the workshop battle, any irregulars could do so because the contrat only involved inhabitants of the Tower. But since the workshop battle, the Thorn became necessary.
SIU clearly changed his mind here.
Also, Urek admited that he couldn't grant Garam her wishes that is the death of Jahad.

So you peoples are debating about nothing because we arleady know this.

 

[PlotArmouredTitan]

from the moment they are bound to a contract, they shouldn't even be considered irregular, but that's another discussion.

I think it depends on how strong the irregular is though. If the irregular is strong enough, they should be able to nullify it.

I imagine Enryu or Phanta signing a shinsu contract to be equivalent to superman letting someone to handcuff him. He could basically snap it off whenever he wants to.

 

[sazon]

And how can Baam escape from his range? If Traum want to tame Baam, the only way to stop Baam from becoming stronger than him is to prevent escape.

Exactly that, if the breakout happens, Rei will have no way of chasing Baam for now.

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I think it depends on how strong the irregular is though. If the irregular is strong enough, they should be able to nullify it.

I imagine Enryu or Phanta signing a shinsu contract to be equivalent to superman letting someone to handcuff him. He could basically snap it off whenever he wants to.

Enryuu is an existence above a ADM as he managed to kill one, while Phanta is not even spoken.

All this only applies to those who cannot overcome the power of the tower administrators.

 

[Yelnats]

Current Eduan and Data Eduan are totally different people, I wouldn't consider his children to call him an ally of Baam.

Apart from Blossom, which I still have doubts about, I don't see any FH as Baam's real ally here, just questions of interest.

Excluding Gustang who clearly indicate rift is inevitable, who do you think the Family Heads who:
1. Want to kill Baam,
2. Want to protect Baam,
3. Want Baam to follow the process?

 

[Aliblack]

The final fight will be on Bam's sperms. Whose property are they, indeed?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

You guys realise that Admins are a part of the Tower right ? So you are all saying the same thing...

Contract are shackles when an irregular only rely on it instead of using its privilege. Cf: Baam and the God of Gardiens.

Yes, but the crux is that they (irregulars) don't HAVE to do the shackles contracts, but seemingly have, which means their powers now come as an extension of admin 'allowing' them to use shinsoo, when they already had this ability going in, and didn't need permission in fact at all. They are optional, redundant, self-imposed restrictions they willingly take up. The other end of this means they are limiting their natural abilities, and now their power comes from the admin/contracts not from the natural state they had initially.

Irregulars are specials because they have privileges granted by the Tower when they entered, but that doesn't mean they can't gain more of these on the way.

It also doesn't mean that they can't do things to limit their powers, by virtue of 'shackles' contracts that are essentially redundant, but that's what has seemingly happened.

We also don't know if certain contracts come with a trade-off. If the most basic of basic contracts, a shinsoo contract, does then it's reasonable to believe that more evolved contracts come with a higher degree of equivalent exchange, for example the immortality contracts (V declined for a good reason IMO) and even the kingly contract, which may very well be a Midas' Touch contract.

And Urek is not free from contracts because he is a ranker and so took at least this one.

We don't actually know if Urek decided to 'shackle' himself though.

Also, Urek admited that he couldn't grant Garam her wishes that is the death of Jahad.

This wasn't explained as a function of something that was beyond his scope. It could very well be that he can't give her what she wants because he can't bring himself to do something that he may actually have the ability to do.

I could buy a car for my wife for instance, if she asked. Or, I could decide 'fuck that' and tell her I can't give her what she wants because I don't want to do that. That doesn't mean I quite literally can't buy the car.

So you peoples are debating about nothing because we arleady know this.

Not really. Nuance is a thing.

 

[Turtle hunter]

JFC, dude, post #551, I even quoted it back at you. Do you have Rei's level of short-term memory loss?

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Does it suck that the person you @'ed doesn't agree with you?

Why are you being so condescending about this?

I indeed looked at it but it is okay , you also like to change topic when i prove you wrong but won't admit .

He didn't really disagree you can look back , but whatever , i don't have any pleasure debating shit that have been told in the first arc .

I can debate whether ancient one can match irregular or whether FH have any influence on zahard , those are complex subject that are not really clear .

But when people say that FH may possibly made a shinsoo contract or got they power by some contract when there is no evidence off that , why would i waste my time debating something that has no basis in the manwha ?

Provide evidence and i would gladly debate you but saying it is likely or it is possible , when there is no evidence is cool , i don't want to be harsch but i don't debate people on they fantasies or hypothesis .

I think Zahard could wipe out the entirety off TOG by himself and it is likely , but i won't debate anyone on that , because we don't know how far above are irregular compared to non irregular .

I have no problem with @sazon , but i don't have to debate thing that i think have no basis and that there is nothing yet that prove it .

Saying that FH are not real irregular , what i am supossed to say to that ?

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I indeed looked at it but it is okay , you also like to change topic when i prove you wrong but won't admit .

He didn't really disagree you can look back , but whatever , i don't have any pleasure debating shit that have been told in the first arc .

I can debate whether ancient one can match irregular or whether FH have any influence on zahard , those are complex subject that are not really clear .

But when people say that FH may possibly made a shinsoo contract or got they power by some contract when there is no evidence off that , why would i waste my time debating something that has no basis in the manwha ?

Provide evidence and i would gladly debate you but saying it is likely or it is possible , when there is no evidence is cool , i don't want to be harsch but i don't debate people on they fantasies or hypothesis .

I think Zahard could wipe out the entirety off TOG by himself and it is likely , but i won't debate anyone on that , because we don't know how far above are irregular compared to non irregular .

I have no problem with @sazon , but i don't have to debate thing that i think have no basis and that there is nothing yet that prove it .

Saying that FH are not real irregular , what i am supossed to say to that ?

OK, so you can't quote me when you misrepresent what I've said here. Got it.

 

[Turtle hunter]

And what evidence is it that you supposedly need?

That Baam comes from outside the tower?
That Baam formed a contract, called 'shackles' by the very admin he contracted with?
That irregulars are able to control shinsoo by virtue of coming from outside the tower?

You said baam power come from the outside world which is wrong , Baam only brougth his potential from outside the world , at best he had the oustide god power .

But other than that , Baam power came from himself and showed sign when he was in the tower .

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

You said baam power come from the outside world which is wrong , Baam only brougth his potential from outside the world , at best he had the oustide god power .

But other than that , Baam power came from himself and showed sign when he was in the tower .

Baam comes from outside the tower. Nothing that's inside the tower can recreate what Baam can do as a function of coming from outside the tower (like the other irregulars). Anything Baam brings with him, from merely being an irregular to the sun power... comes from outside the tower, and not the tower itself.

It's science.

 

[sazon]

Excluding Gustang who clearly indicate rift is inevitable, who do you think the Family Heads who:
1. Want to kill Baam,
2. Want to protect Baam,
3. Want Baam to follow the process?

Kill: Hon, Han and Bloodmadder

Protect: Blossom and Tperie

Leave him alone: Eduan, Yurin and Hana

 

[Turtle hunter]

OK, so you can't quote me when you misrepresent what I've said here. Got it.

Quoting when you change topics ? Why would i ? I try to answer most off you point but you don't , you chose to answer those that fits you and discard those that you know that are shaky , which mean you can argue as long as you have a single valid point .

At the end you said the wrong thing that FH power come from contract and i showed that you were wrong and you changed subject talking a point i never made .

I answer to all you point or most off them when i don't find you dishonest .

So for me it is easy , i will just repeat my initial point and will show that the whole purpose off this debate when you said i was kinda wrong was actually false .

You can reread i said the relation between FH and Zahard were not that off a mere king and his subordinate and it is fact , you then went to speak about position , contract and whatever , but in the end it has been always been said that the relation between FH were not simple , sometime called friend or equal or group .

If you agree with this point , everything else don't matter .

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Kill: Hon, Han and Bloodmadder

Protect: Blossom and Tperie

Leave him alone: Eduan, Yurin and Hana

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Quoting when you change topics ? Why would i ? I try to answer most off you point but you don't , you chose to answer those that fits you and discard those that you know that are shaky , which mean you can argue as long as you have a single valid point .

At the end you said the wrong thing that FH power come from contract and i showed that you were wrong and you changed subject talking a point i never made .

I answer to all you point or most off them when i don't find you dishonest .

So for me it is easy , i will just repeat my initial point and will show that the whole purpose off this debate when you said i was kinda wrong was actually false .

You can reread i said the relation between FH and Zahard were not that off a mere king and his subordinate and it is fact , you then went to speak about position , contract and whatever , but in the end it has been always been said that the relation between FH were not simple , sometime called friend or equal or group .

If you agree with this point , everything else don't matter .

I'll use small words and you should read this slowly:

You have a problem with repeatedly misrepresenting what I say (lying), post #551 as one example. You just make shit up.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Baam comes from outside the tower. Nothing that's inside the tower can recreate what Baam can do as a function of coming from outside the tower (like the other irregulars). Anything Baam brings with him, from merely being an irregular to the sun power... comes from outside the tower, and not the tower itself.

It's science.

1. 1.
   the ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way.
   
   Synonymes :
   ability
   
   
   capacity
   
   
   capability
   
   
   potential
   
   
   potentiality
   
   
   faculty
   
   
   property
   
   
   competence
   
   
   competency
   
   
   
   Antonymes :
   inability
   
   
   incapacity
   
   
   
2. 
   
3. 
   
4. 
   
5. 2.
   the capacity or ability to direct or influence the behaviour of others or the course of events.
6. 
   
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8. 
   
9. Here you have many enough information to understand that Baam power didn't come from outside the tower .
   
   
   
10. 
    
11. Outside the tower there was only potential .

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I'll use small words and you should read this slowly:

You have a problem with repeatedly misrepresenting what I say (lying), post #551 as one example. You just make shit up.

I will repeat myself for the millionth time . You are again dodging question and not answering .

If i have problem with misrepresenting people you also have a problem answering question and admitting you wrong without changing subject and starting irrelevant point .

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Cool. Well, the record speaks for itself. Since you seem to have sprung a leak posting rando definitions (without the actual term defined) and no context, I'll assume that means you release me from your insanity.

 

[Orbs2op]

Bam confirming going against trau is insta death is satisfying imo, trau convo is also fairly interesting especially about the the Fhs thoughts on his climb, they seem to split or more on the side of killing him, the way trau talks to bam is kinda funny too he clearly wants to tame him, human or not also he wants to test bam powers as well since he needs to know if he is worthy, Bam is gonna resist obviously hopefully bam draws out 30% of his strength which would be a huge win.

Trau shinwonryu is menacing indeed, also has the outlines of a huge beast looks similar to when bam attacks forcefully use leviathan powers, trau shinwonryu must be combination techniques with his strongest dragon, shinwonryu is very flexible skill indeed need that leviathanxshinwonryu combo from bam, then add the orb multiplier it's insane.

 

[SuperTurtle]

Yes, but the crux is that they (irregulars) don't HAVE to do the shackles contracts, but seemingly have, which means their powers now come as an extension of admin 'allowing' them to use shinsoo, when they already had this ability going in, and didn't need permission in fact at all. They are optional, redundant, self-imposed restrictions they willingly take up. The other end of this means they are limiting their natural abilities, and now their power comes from the admin/contracts not from the natural state they had initially.



It also doesn't mean that they can't do things to limit their powers, by virtue of 'shackles' contracts that are essentially redundant, but that's what has seemingly happened.

We also don't know if certain contracts come with a trade-off. If the most basic of basic contracts, a shinsoo contract, does then it's reasonable to believe that more evolved contracts come with a higher degree of equivalent exchange, for example the immortality contracts (V declined for a good reason IMO) and even the kingly contract, which may very well be a Midas' Touch contract.



We don't actually know if Urek decided to 'shackle' himself though.



This wasn't explained as a function of something that was beyond his scope. It could very well be that he can't give her what she wants because he can't bring himself to do something that he may actually have the ability to do.

I could buy a car for my wife for instance, if she asked. Or, I could decide 'fuck that' and tell her I can't give her what she wants because I don't want to do that. That doesn't mean I quite literally can't buy the car.



Not really. Nuance is a thing.

Honnestly, the only nuance here is about Urek and Jahad.
The rest is quite clear but you chose to ignore my arguments.

Yes, we know that Urek chose to shackle himself with a contract, the ranker contract.

The trad-off are known. Ranker can't go to regular area. Immortals can't die even if they whant to. Shinsu contract allow to use it but with a cap depending on the floor.

Contracts are not necessarly shackles.
For exemple, before the rice pot, Bam was indeed shackled because the contract while helping him to use shinsu, also limited him in the quantity and quality.
Since he learned to use his privileges, he is only limited by his skills. That is the reason why he went from normal regular relative to his floor from something way above his league.

And contracts can be something else than shackles. They can be new privileges like immortality. They need this contract to become immortal.

Nothing indicates that Admins can cancel a contract that goes beyond itself. The same way they can't take irregular's privileges, nothing says they can just take away immortality, kingship or ranker status.
As opposition to the right to use shinsu on there floor or the ruler contract, things limited to a single floor.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Here is my argument if you forget i was actually rigth about Zahard relation with FH that

You can reread i said the relation between FH and Zahard were not that off a mere king and his subordinate and it is fact , you then went to speak about position , contract and whatever , but in the end it has been always been said that the relation between FH were not simple , sometime called friend or equal or group .

Cool. Well, the record speaks for itself. Since you seem to have sprung a leak posting rando definitions (without the actual term defined) and no context, I'll assume that means you release me from your insanity.

My bad the definition was power , i tought it was self evident .

I hope you understand that Baam power came from inside the tower and not outside .