Games Mafia Game 102 - Genswap Impact: End Game

[Copy Panda]

omo! but in fake spanish

Spoiler: Night Actions MG102!

 

[Demonspeed]

Cute girls avatars.

Not a great Top 3 bro .

 

[Lambu]

Before starting, mandatory congratulations to Farf for the avis again, they are stunning

As for the mechanic I understood it like this:

- All townies, and only full townies since they specify the "green-only", have like a Pirate secondary role that works independently from their night action and swaps with the target at P4.

- Swapping only happens during first 2 nights.

- Allegiances can be swapped so mafos will have their identities hidden in their pads to avoid breaking the game. I so wish I was mafia just this time man, trying to figure out who is who in the nightpad based on speech patterns and expression would be too much fun to even imagine Makes me want to swap with someone suspicious to try get into that shitshow lmao

At the same time tho it seems detrimental in the long run cause "people change" when swapping allegiance, specially active players, so it might be a shot in the foot considering the mafo will turn townie and inherit the townie role.
I feel like the swap mechanic is better meant to protect good roles, akin to how Pirate does, but meme route... is tempting

Either way we have to keep track of role hinting like usual and then the swaps in D2. If they dont say the truth they will trap their fingers with the inconsistencies.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Anyone else besides James? Anyone else?

Hello?

anyone out there at all?

I want to trade up not down

Hey @James Rye, if I choose you and you choose me. Would we just swap or would it double swap us?

 

[Gajeel]

Let’s have a good game. Therefore, !votelock SirSamuel016

 

[Brandish μ]

I think that mutual consent is auto swap unless there's another bidder on one of you, then it goes to a coin toss.

Like swinging.

 

[Lambu]

Any townie worth their salt should swap with no regard to ruining mafia teams by making claims now that would make them easy lynch targets in the future due to inconsistency.

Imo.

It would be the first respectable town.

Cant say I agree, if I go and spit my role left and right then I would better swap with another townie to have it protected. If I do that and swap with a mafo Im just killing myself and going against my "new win conditions".

Basically it would be making yourself lose for a group you wont even belong to anymore

 

[gnut]

Like how these topics of swapping is really sounding like a bunch of scums trying to figure out how they are going to hint/claim.

As for now Im not swapping shit and playing the game as usual....

 

[Lambu]

Like how these topics of swapping is really sounding like a bunch of scums trying to figure out how they are going to hint/claim.

As for now Im not swapping shit and playing the game as usual....

Heh actually only mafos and blues would not feel excited about swapping, because they cant do it?

 

[gnut]

Well...i want to play my hand...so believe what you want

 

[Lambu]

That response didnt quite bite as past times, but sure

 

[Brandish μ]

Cant say I agree, if I go and spit my role left and right then I would better swap with another townie to have it protected. If I do that and swap with a mafo Im just killing myself and going against my "new win conditions".

Basically it would be making yourself lose for a group you wont even belong to anymore

Town will not make sacrifices to win, agreed.

 

[gnut]

That response didnt quite bite as past times, but sure

It is what it is....never said I couldn't swap...just Id rather not.
If it make me suspect....fuk it...thats on me no?

I can say this and be suspect...but people openly asking for strong roles isnt?
Gtfoh lol.....blantant set ups you ask me

 

[Lambu]

Town will not make sacrifices to win, agreed.

The thing is, its not really a "sacrifice" if doing it doesnt even give an indirect benefit to you. When you change allegiance you no longer win as town, so any moves you made to benefit town will be against you. Its the same dilemma with Sleepers or recruited Mentees but this time we "can" choose it.

It is what it is....never said I couldn't swap...just Id rather not.
If it make me suspect....fuk it...thats on me no?

I can say this and be suspect...but people openly asking for strong roles isnt?
Gtfoh lol.....blantant set ups you ask me

People are not asking for strong roles but for potential partners to trade what they have, strong roles might not request a trade but it might still work in their favour in the long run.

Only ones that heavily lose from swapping is scum, no matter the outcome, so I dont get why you seem against it.

Maybe Im just looking too much into things but I dont understand it.

 

[Tatsumaki]

Nah, until night 3 they can still be swapped with by someone else with a green weapon. So it's only final after night 3.

Oh no I understood that, I was just asking if this version was everyone final understanding of the rules, since we had been discussing them quite a bit.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Like swinging

 

[SonOfDaws]

An interesting batch of folks this time around and the sort of mechanics I'd expect from these two lol. As for avis, I feel I've stroked Farf's ego quite enough already, but these are a much appreciated addition.

Hard to get a grasp on how this game will play out, but I imagine there will be some interesting happenings at the very least.

 

[GrySun]

Bem vindo folks. Hm maybe that's more something the host would say?

Just got the time to sit down properly in the evening and change my set.

I have an active role, am as green as my pretty set, and would kindly recommend Doc to consider protecting me to avoid some early cheap kill shot.
I'll also add that I know some don't like my role much.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 15, 2022, Original Post Date: Jun 15, 2022 ---

Know nothing else rn, gotta read.

 

[Brandish μ]

I am role-fluid and will happily swap directly.

Only issue is escorts blocking the open swaps.

The thing is, its not really a "sacrifice" if doing it doesnt even give an indirect benefit to you. When you change allegiance you no longer win as town, so any moves you made to benefit town will be against you. Its the same dilemma with Sleepers or recruited Mentees but this time we "can" choose it.

You are describing what i see as a sacrifice for the possible benefit of town, and I agree the player won't want to do this given team town is not a team at all.

A mafia would make the sacrifice.

 

[Holt]

It's been so long since I played. I wonder if I still know how to

 

[Shad]

Back, kind of, gotta go sleep in 1h. My initial thoughts, feel free to disagree or correct anything.

If a role is swapped.

I assume both players will know about it, as in they will get a PM stating the new role/allegiance.

I also assume that they won't be told who initiated the swap.

If this is true then if I catch a red with my swap, they won't know I'm red, but they will have my role, meaning any hint I dropped about it will play against my new allegiance.

It seems greens will need to find other greens, to win, if you find a red it will be bad for you since you will have to play differently as Lambu stated.

Only roles that need to confirm sanity will have issue swapping. If you are a Det for example and you get a new green role, provide your target / result for the previous night, without waiting for somebody to request it.

The pirate aspect of this mechanic is better than the actual role, so all town should try to swap with a person they trust.

What would happen if 2 people target the same person? Coin toss, winner get the swap, loser keep his role?

Yeah, but like if you got a good role you don't wanna swap and red and blues cannot swap their weapon they can only be taken and have their role replaced.

I wanted to use this mechanic for the next three nights to confirm townies with, as in the more greens swap with greens the easier we find the not green ones. Problem with that is ofc if a green hits a red and had announced the day before who his target was then the new red is as good as dead as the new green can out that person asap.
Might still be worth that risk if you die with a green heart as a mafia though. XD

In that case it maybe smart to coordinate our swap in the day phase.

It we coordinate in the day phase, if a green switches with a red, we will know for sure who is the new red.