Games Mafia Game 102 - Genswap Impact: End Game

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Spoiler: Night Actions MG102!

 

[Erinyes]

I won't disclose my role.

I wasn't asking, it was a joke about you willing to sacrifice for the great good and bc I mentioned earlier Jesus as a role I wouldnt give up.

And I won't be voting. So I'll have penalties if you guys fumble this lynch.

I considered too not voting as its pretty complicated, I have no clue who to vote yet, I will try to think about it, but I wont follow any train, as usual.

 

[Shad]

Okay, I admit I believed there was something I was missing about the swapping mechanics, because they do seem exploitable to the point of game-breaking, which isn't very exciting to be honest. I'm also not big on playing on autopilot if we happen to get lucky and find the whole mafia by D2 via a gimmick, then lynch them one by one till D5 or something with nothing at all they can do about it (at the very least, it's safe to assume a couple people WILL get lynched like that no matter what). It's even less enticing considering that as a townie, it's a coin flip away between total victory and instant defeat.

However, I'm also torn on whether it would be more disrespectful to ignore the mechanics' potential altogether (for all we know the hosts wanted it to be used this way) or to exploit it to the point of the game essentially getting decided by random-kun. Disregarding the "best" possible scenario where every single scum is lined up with a townie, there should be enough situations where there's still something to figure out the old-fashioned way, assuming they don't get taken care of in the two following nights of swapping... probably.

I'm voting for the second way, use the mechanic to it fullest, it would be extremely disrespectful to the hosts otherwise, if it turn out that in fact this is an exploit, we can talk about it after the game.

 

[Evil3ye]

I'm voting for the second way, use the mechanic to it fullest, it would be extremely disrespectful to the hosts otherwise, if it turn out that in fact this is an exploit, we can talk about it after the game.

So, are you implying you will be using the swap mechanic but not as we will agree, so that as a result we basically cannot varify anything tomorrow because of some uncalled for intruders?

 

[Shad]

So, are you implying you will be using the swap mechanic but not as we will agree, so that as a result we basically cannot varify anything tomorrow because of some uncalled for intruders?

Swapping is done between 2 people, as long as I find a partner I don't need you to find one for me.
Are you saying the only way forward is with you as our leader?

 

[Brandish μ]

Why are you trying to get yourself lynched? Did I miss something?

Swap or no, lynching a scum is still the best thing that can happen, no?

It's about setting the lynch, before the 'as per usual' vote shenanigans at the end of the day.

Otherwise, the table can be set like it is now, and we'll have 9 usable pairs instead of 10, should some weird train happen at the end of the day. Keeping in mind the mafia cannot save each other as they don't know their team, and no information about todays lynch can inform future lynches.

 

[Evil3ye]

Swapping is done between 2 people, as long as I find a partner I don't need you to find one for me.
Are you saying the only way forward is with you as our leader?

Read the rules, you don't even need anyone's concent provided you are a townie. If you are not then of course you would need to lure Gry or Lambu to target you to make the swap happen.

 

[Shad]

Read the rules, you don't even need anyone's concent provided you are a townie. If you are not then of course you would need to lure Gry or Lambu to target you to make the swap happen.

Read the rules, if 2 townies target each other we get a unique result, which is nothing happens.

 

[Evil3ye]

Read the rules, if 2 townies target each other we get a unique result, which is nothing happens.

Could you please quote that passage.

 

[Gajeel]

It sounds too easy. What if all the scums are traitors?

 

[Evil3ye]

It's about setting the lynch, before the 'as per usual' vote shenanigans at the end of the day.

Otherwise, the table can be set like it is now, and we'll have 9 usable pairs instead of 10, should some weird train happen at the end of the day. Keeping in mind the mafia cannot save each other as they don't know their team, and no information about todays lynch can inform future lynches.

Definitely not vote for you today sorry bae. It's better to purge the uncooperatives.

 

[Shad]

It's about setting the lynch, before the 'as per usual' vote shenanigans at the end of the day.

Otherwise, the table can be set like it is now, and we'll have 9 usable pairs instead of 10, should some weird train happen at the end of the day. Keeping in mind the mafia cannot save each other as they don't know their team, and no information about todays lynch can inform future lynches.

I see, so if the lynch is set in stone, we can agree on all the pairs and not risk screwing things up at the last second?
Are you trying to die as town so that you don't risk swapping with a mafia xD And you guarentee you win? That is genius xD

Could you please quote that passage.

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It sounds too easy. What if all the scums are traitors?

I don't like how people are acting like the game is over.
Knowing that town lost many games while being ahead a crazy amount.

In fact town loses games they shouldn't all the time.

I'm thinking after N1, we may learn something new that may change everything, keep an open mind, and keep an eye on people with a closed mind.

 

[Evil3ye]

I see, so if the lynch is set in stone, we can agree on all the pairs and not risk screwing things up at the last second?
Are you trying to die as town so that you don't risk swapping with a mafia xD And you guarentee you win? That is genius xD

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I don't like how people are acting like the game is over.
Knowing that town lost many games while being ahead a crazy amount.

In fact town loses games they shouldn't all the time.

I'm thinking after N1, we may learn something new that may change everything, keep an open mind, and keep an eye on people with a closed mind.

Yeah I don't get it, and what's your point? It's easily overcome by deciding beforehand that left side targets the right, or vice versa (or green side targets the orange/red).

 

[Brandish μ]

Definitely not vote for you today sorry bae. It's better to purge the uncooperatives.

Okay, I'll be uncooperative

I see, so if the lynch is set in stone, we can agree on all the pairs and not risk screwing things up at the last second?
Are you trying to die as town so that you don't risk swapping with a mafia xD And you guarentee you win? That is genius xD

Idk how many day phases end up messy like that... coordinating something like this, with people on different timezones, availability... just settle it now.

No, I am very much for swapping. And please don't talk about guaranteed wins on D1, lol.

 

[Gajeel]

I'm thinking after N1, we may learn something new that may change everything, keep an open mind, and keep an eye on people with a closed mind.

I think that’s the problem. We won’t be learning anything next day. Hosts must have compensated in some way for scums. If they are all traitors with perhaps one real mafia, then we’re confirming traitors (green weapon) while the ‘’third party players aka traitors’’ also get a needed headstart by avoiding lynching. That’s just a thought tho, but no way the plan will work as expected. Just remains to know how the hosts dealt with the mafia member in this theory...

 

[Shad]

Yeah I don't get it, and what's your point? It's easily overcome by deciding beforehand that left side targets the right, or vice versa (or green target targets the orange/red).

You quoted the whole thing, can you be more specific about what you don't get, I'm not able to tell.

Also until @Lambu connects and @GrySun gives his final answer, you can keep calling me Red Squad, I don't mind.

I've seen you do this before, as 'Mortician', you are not fooling me with this leader role you are playing, when you are stuck between 2 allegiances you try this tactic, since if you swap with a town you will be town tomorrow, all you need to do is look good today, you have been trying to call yourself 'green' and others 'red', proposing players to be lynched, like Gnut, Gajeel and more, you should know better than to expect these 2 to do what you say and you should be aware that mafia is the happiest with swapping today, so that should have given you the opposite impression on them.

But tomorrow you will be town again so all good

And please don't talk about guaranteed wins on D1, lol.

My bad I just assumed you were one of those who believe this game is broken, good to know you are not.

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I think that’s the problem. We won’t be learning anything next day. Hosts must have compensated in some way for scums. If they are all traitors with perhaps one real mafia, then we’re confirming traitors (green weapon) while the ‘’third party players aka traitors’’ also get a needed headstart by avoiding lynching. That’s just a thought tho, but no way the plan will work as expected. Just remains to know how the hosts dealt with the mafia member in this theory...

Damn that true, we may not learn anything, just keep going believing we are doing great.

 

[Evil3ye]

You quoted the whole thing, can you be more specific about what you don't get, I'm not able to tell.

Also until @Lambu connects and @GrySun gives his final answer, you can keep calling me Red Squad, I don't mind.

I've seen you do this before, as 'Mortician', you are not fooling me with this leader role you are playing, when you are stuck between 2 allegiances you try this tactic, since if you swap with a town you will be town tomorrow, all you need to do is look good today, you have been trying to call yourself 'green' and others 'red', proposing players to be lynched, like Gnut, Gajeel and more, you should know better than to expect these 2 to do what you say and you should be aware that mafia is the happiest with swapping today, so that should have given you the opposite impression on them.

But tomorrow you will be town again so all good



My bad I just assumed you were one of those who believe this game is broken, good to know you are not.

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Damn that true, we may not learn anything, just keep going believing we are doing great.

Why exactly must it be lambu or gry for you? And if that's the case why don't you just say you will steal one of their roles.

At the very least we will know what to expect from you / what kind of confirmation to look for tomorrow.

 

[Shad]

Why exactly must it be lambu or gry for you? And if that's the case why don't you just say you will steal one of their roles.

At the very least we will know what to expect from you / what kind of confirmation to look for tomorrow.

Can't tell you why.
Because I don't want to steal but trade.

You should expect what I'm saying.

Why is it so hard for you to wait for the guy to connect and give his answer, what the rush?

 

[Evil3ye]

Can't tell you why.
Because I don't want to steal but trade.

You should expect what I'm saying.

Why is it so hard for you to wait for the guy to connect and give his answer, what the rush?

Because it sounds like you are exactly trying to do that what you just a minute ago acused me to be plotting. Like you're being red and trying to trick one of them who you green-scanned before to trade with you so next phase you're truely green. I mean, you must see that, don't you?

 

[Brandish μ]

My bad I just assumed you were one of those who believe this game is broken, good to know you are not.

Nah I mean it's not good luck lol. But I like offensive. We have an opportunity, we should take it, if we lose/mafia turn the tables, so be it.

 

[Erinyes]

It's about setting the lynch, before the 'as per usual' vote shenanigans at the end of the day.

Otherwise, the table can be set like it is now, and we'll have 9 usable pairs instead of 10, should some weird train happen at the end of the day. Keeping in mind the mafia cannot save each other as they don't know their team, and no information about todays lynch can inform future lynches.

Ok, I get your plan now, but Im not sure it's worth sacrifying a townie which I believe you are, I think things can be pretty messy quickly, Im not willing to sacrifice people i trust. Idk i wont be throwing any stone on you if other agree, it's their call, but Im sure there are other ways, like lynching sam #jokingcanthelp