Predictions Fate of the Shichibukai

[Hannibal Psyche]

Is he going after Boa ?

Where was this stated or implied?

I had the same impression some time ago, but I can't for the life of me recall where or why, lol.

 

[Mopopolis]

I had the same impression some time ago, but I can't for the life of me recall where or why, lol.

Chapter 956 Koby is going after her and in 957 Fujitora was at sea where the Marines were fighting pirates / some sea creatures, so possible he was on the way to arrest one of the former Shichibukai members.

 

[Vanshrimp]

Weeble's scars look similar to queen's, i do believe he is a cyborg, if it is true, and if gets caught, he can be useful to the pacisifta program to take advantage of his strength

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Chapter 956 Koby is going after her and in 957 Fujitora was at sea where the Marines were fighting pirates / some sea creatures, so possible he was on the way to arrest one of the former Shichibukai members.

I think that's possibly why I assumed it was Fujitora.

Given that Fujitora is on sea, I guess we can eliminate a few people he could be going after:

• Weevil is on land, he seems to be in Sabaody?
• Mihawk is at sea, but, he's a the Muggy Kingdom, and the background in the Mihawk scene is dark which implies Fujitora isn't there since he's in a brightly lit location.

Fujitora is either up against Buggy or Hancock assuming I'm correct with my inferences.

 

[kkck]

Personally I think the shichibukai pretty much escaped. Every single shichibukai is a major threat, even buggy... None of them are people that can be dealt with by minor forces. Any one of them would require at an absolute bare minimum a vice admiral to deal with, if not an admiral.

1.- Mihawk: Definitely send an admiral there. No militia can handle him. You need to send admirals for him.
2.- Buggy: Has an actual army behind him. Chaotic but with his ID prisoners and the folk that have joined him he has some serious power behind him. You need numbers an multiple competent fighters to deal with him.
3.- Weevil: He seems pretty strong but we lack context. Given the framing around him it seems risky to send armies not backed by at least vice admirals.
4.- Kuma: Is a slave so a non issue.
5.- Boa: I think she is probably the most vulnerable of the shichibukai. Mostly because she is a queen of an island. She can't just abandon her island. And a battle against her would probably mostly involve a naval battle which definitely puts her at a disadvantage. Worst case scenario battleships bombard her island. That said, boa is incredibly powerful just in general... To me she has always been in the top tier of shichibukai, with only mihawk standing above her. Add to that she has her own army which is made out of entirely of haki users. You still need multiple battleships and probably a few vice admirals to get this done. That said, boa can absolutely simply cancel out armies thrown against her... So in that sense she is a bit of a wildcard.

 

[Zehahaha]

Ehhh, I am not worried about Mihawk, Hancock and Weevil. They will clearly survive and I doubt the Marines are in a mood to send more forces to capture them.

Buggy having the luck of the devil will escape and survive too.

What I am more curious about is whether any of them will tag along with BB. I don't see any of them do that, but it will be a curious development.

 

[McNuss]

5.- Boa: I think she is probably the most vulnerable of the shichibukai. Mostly because she is a queen of an island. She can't just abandon her island. And a battle against her would probably mostly involve a naval battle which definitely puts her at a disadvantage. Worst case scenario battleships bombard her island. That said, boa is incredibly powerful just in general... To me she has always been in the top tier of shichibukai, with only mihawk standing above her. Add to that she has her own army which is made out of entirely of haki users. You still need multiple battleships and probably a few vice admirals to get this done. That said, boa can absolutely simply cancel out armies thrown against her... So in that sense she is a bit of a wildcard.

The fact that Koby put of all people is moving against her, imho means she will lose at Amazon Lilly and it's going to be occupied by the Marines, with the Kuja possibly becoming slaves. On their shared sympathies over Luffy, Koby will smuggle her out and to the New World.

Btw I fully think Koby is immune to Hancock's power. He was in a very traumatic situation due to a woman aggressively demanding to be worshipped as the most beautiful, so I think he probably won't fall for Hancock's power. This will lead her to notice the similarities between Luffy and Koby and...


Well end of the day I ship Hancock and Koby. The Hancock x Luffy scenario is unromantic as fuck and would send and anti-free love message that doesn't fit the tone of this story at all. Becoming the Queen's consort of an island nation is also definitely not what I could think of as an end for Luffy.

But how do you solve Hancock's dilemma then? She has to find true love, that seems the key to overcome her own trauma about men. Well and, arguably Koby is the most Luffy-like character, with the swordsman sidekick and both starting their journey around the same time (and their sidekicks, too!), and the revised look essentially looking very close to Luffy, same physique, very similar facial features, you could say he's intended to be kind of a "Marine Luffy"...

Though I think it's going to go the other way around here. Nothing could make Hancock lose her Luffy craze except acceptance of realities (and that is, Luffy won't ever settle down), so I think eventually Koby will fall for her.

Couldn't imagine a better ending in this for Koby, that as it would basically take the former nerd/late-bloomer stereotype to the maximum.

 

[FetherMan]

Well, CP-0 stated that if both Kaido and Big Mom are defeated in Wano, it’ll add more problems for World Government that are already happening in the New World.

More than likely, arresting and detaining all the Warlords will require a great amount of manpower for the Navy. Not to mention, what could come from the Revolutionary Army, after Reverie incident.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

WG have abolished Shichibukai system:
They need to show the public they can be confident in them for their protection.
WG either really has to take down the Shichibukai OR an Alternative OR LIE about their achievement.
If the WG fail to take on the Shichibukai, they will have to lie about taking down Kaido which was the purpose of the Shichibukai in the first place.
Or, they actually take down some of the Shichibukia.

This is why I find it so important the narrative the WG spins regarding Wano. Will they take credit? or will Luffy really be able to get credited for this?

 

[grey matter]

WG have abolished Shichibukai system:
They need to show the public they can be confident in them for their protection.
WG either really has to take down the Shichibukai OR an Alternative OR LIE about their achievement.
If the WG fail to take on the Shichibukai, they will have to lie about taking down Kaido which was the purpose of the Shichibukai in the first place.
Or, they actually take down some of the Shichibukia.

This is why I find it so important the narrative the WG spins regarding Wano. Will they take credit? or will Luffy really be able to get credited for this?

This is precisely the reason why I think at least one relatively strong Shichibukai must go down.

Buggy ain't cutting it, though from the perspective of normies in the OP world, that will be a great achievement. From perspective of reasons, not so much . Oda also needs to hype up the SSG in readers' eyes as well.

I don't think WG can take credit from Luffy this time. Even narratively, it makes little sense, since Wano SHOULD cement Luffy on or above Yonko level in notoriety!

 

[grey matter]

Ehh, not gonna be Buggy anymore lol.

We might get the answers in the next chapter or a couple of chapters later.

Any final predictions?

 

[Cortes]

I go with none.

Fits the best with what GB was saying about Marines having no manpower to spare in my opinion.

 

[grey matter]

I go with none.

Fits the best with what GB was saying about Marines having no manpower to spare in my opinion.

But, SSG, which marines consider more than a capable replacement of Shichibukai, should at least have some Ws to show for it, right?

Otherwise, what would be the point of the SSG?

 

[HereNThere]

I imagine the SSG is being tasked with more important missions. Ryukugyo specified that the Marines didn't have any spare manpower for clean-up, implying that they weren't wasting resources taking care of stragglers or loose ends. Hell, it seems like he wasn't even looking for a fight really and the Beast Pirates attacked him, so they probably didn't even care about them much.

 

[grey matter]

I imagine the SSG is being tasked with more important missions. Ryukugyo specified that the Marines didn't have any spare manpower for clean-up, implying that they weren't wasting resources taking care of stragglers or loose ends. Hell, it seems like he wasn't even looking for a fight really and the Beast Pirates attacked him, so they probably didn't even care about them much.

I'd assume the entire Shichubukai situation is a major component of the "mess" that Greenbull was talking about. (The other component probably is related to Reverie/Revolutionaries)

And thematically/narratively, SSG is an "upgrade" to Shichibukai. The best way to prove it would be to use it and take down at least one Shichibukai.

 

[Cortes]

But, SSG, which marines consider more than a capable replacement of Shichibukai, should at least have some Ws to show for it, right?

Otherwise, what would be the point of the SSG?

Making Buggy failing upwards into becoming Emperor.

I'd assume the entire Shichubukai situation is a major component of the "mess" that Greenbull was talking about. (The other component probably is related to Reverie/Revolutionaries)

And thematically/narratively, SSG is an "upgrade" to Shichibukai. The best way to prove it would be to use it and take down at least one Shichibukai.

Yeah, upgrade because no risk into running into another "Crocodile/Doflamingo" situation with them while having at least something of a similar strength. Not necessarily an upgrade in terms of simply "being stronger".
At least that is how I see that.

Besides, did the Navy not simply sent the "normal" dudes out? Maybe with someone strong like Coby but otherwise?

 

[grey matter]

Making Buggy failing upwards into becoming Emperor.

LMAO

Yeah, upgrade because no risk into running into another "Crocodile/Doflamingo" situation with them while having at least something of a similar strength. Not necessarily an upgrade in terms of simply "being stronger".
At least that is how I see that.

Besides, did the Navy not simply sent the "normal" dudes out? Maybe with someone strong like Coby but otherwise?

Maybe, but perception matters. SSG need to have something to show for itself. For both us the readers/viewers, as well as the regular citizens in One Piece.

I'd assume that Navy did send out their top officials.
We have to remember that the entire thing happened like 2-3 weeks before the raid even started. And a week has passed since raid has started. So, quite a bit of time has passed since the event, many events unknown has happened.
For someone like, say Mihawk, I cannot imagine the Navy sending any less than one admiral.

As for Boa Hancock, what would be the purpose of sending Coby there, if Oda just wants him to get wrecked? I think there is a narrative purpose here. Coby capturing Boa Hancock would have interesting implications for both the plot as well as power scaling.
- Maybe Coby is involved with SSG as well?
- Maybe he got strong enough to fight Boa 1v1? His dream is to become an admiral after all, and winning against Boa, who is relatively a strong character (only Mihawk, Weevil and Doflamingo are stronger Shichibukai than her IMO), would be the first step.
- Maybe Boa getting captured, and him seeing the dark side of WG/Tenrybito consequently would kickstart something in him?
Many possibilities

 

[kkck]

LMAO



Maybe, but perception matters. SSG need to have something to show for itself. For both us the readers/viewers, as well as the regular citizens in One Piece.

I'd assume that Navy did send out their top officials.
We have to remember that the entire thing happened like 2-3 weeks before the raid even started. And a week has passed since raid has started. So, quite a bit of time has passed since the event, many events unknown has happened.
For someone like, say Mihawk, I cannot imagine the Navy sending any less than one admiral.

As for Boa Hancock, what would be the purpose of sending Coby there, if Oda just wants him to get wrecked? I think there is a narrative purpose here. Coby capturing Boa Hancock would have interesting implications for both the plot as well as power scaling.
- Maybe Coby is involved with SSG as well?
- Maybe he got strong enough to fight Boa 1v1? His dream is to become an admiral after all, and winning against Boa, who is relatively a strong character (only Mihawk, Weevil and Doflamingo are stronger Shichibukai than her IMO), would be the first step.
- Maybe Boa getting captured, and him seeing the dark side of WG/Tenrybito consequently would kickstart something in him?
Many possibilities

Dunno, from the looks of it the navy mostly mobilized mitilia against the former shichibukai. It almost sounds like a reach that the marines would have the capacity to send the folk they actually needed to deal with the former shichibukai. Mihawk, hancock, weevil, buggy...

It's getting increasingly likely that mihawk is straight up a yonko level fighter. Since the plot pretty much requires that as zoro just learned conqueror cladding and his actual output from all of his swords can be reasonably estimated to be potentially deadly to actual yonko. He definitely lacks haki volume though.

Both hancock and weevil have been praised by relevant people at least. Sengoku was relieved to have hancock join the great war and weevil was acknowledged as powerful by kizaru. I think it's fair to estimate admirals wouldn't have an easy time with either at least.

And then buggy. It's all speculative but I think his position is really good right now... Buggy is obviously quite weak, last we saw him not even a haki user. But his unearned hype has allowed him to amass an extraordinary amount of followers. Probably not exceptionally powerful followers but still a lot. Enough to secure his place in the new world. From ID he got hundreds of followers from many floors. And his forces probably increased in number and strength during his new world tenure. It's by no means a stretch that buggy's forces number in the thousands. While buggy probably didn't have commander like figures during his tenure as shichibukai, his militia probably was envied by actual yonko.

So.. who do you send to deal with them? We know militias in the story are important so dealing with any of them would require significant resources. And we know the marines were stretched thin before the shichibukai were disbanded. I think the world government will half ass this out of sheer inability to send the appropriate amount of forces to deal with any of this individuals.

 

[Fox666]

I think that's possibly why I assumed it was Fujitora.

Given that Fujitora is on sea, I guess we can eliminate a few people he could be going after:

• Weevil is on land, he seems to be in Sabaody?
• Mihawk is at sea, but, he's a the Muggy Kingdom, and the background in the Mihawk scene is dark which implies Fujitora isn't there since he's in a brightly lit location.

Fujitora is either up against Buggy or Hancock assuming I'm correct with my inferences.

Fujitora is also blind, it makes sense to send him after Hancock.

In terms of location, Amazon Lily is the only which would make sense to cross the Calm Belt.

But that Sea King seems underwhelming for the Calm Belt

 

[grey matter]

Dunno, from the looks of it the navy mostly mobilized mitilia against the former shichibukai. It almost sounds like a reach that the marines would have the capacity to send the folk they actually needed to deal with the former shichibukai. Mihawk, hancock, weevil, buggy...

It's getting increasingly likely that mihawk is straight up a yonko level fighter. Since the plot pretty much requires that as zoro just learned conqueror cladding and his actual output from all of his swords can be reasonably estimated to be potentially deadly to actual yonko. He definitely lacks haki volume though.

Both hancock and weevil have been praised by relevant people at least. Sengoku was relieved to have hancock join the great war and weevil was acknowledged as powerful by kizaru. I think it's fair to estimate admirals wouldn't have an easy time with either at least.

And then buggy. It's all speculative but I think his position is really good right now... Buggy is obviously quite weak, last we saw him not even a haki user. But his unearned hype has allowed him to amass an extraordinary amount of followers. Probably not exceptionally powerful followers but still a lot. Enough to secure his place in the new world. From ID he got hundreds of followers from many floors. And his forces probably increased in number and strength during his new world tenure. It's by no means a stretch that buggy's forces number in the thousands. While buggy probably didn't have commander like figures during his tenure as shichibukai, his militia probably was envied by actual yonko.

So.. who do you send to deal with them? We know militias in the story are important so dealing with any of them would require significant resources. And we know the marines were stretched thin before the shichibukai were disbanded. I think the world government will half ass this out of sheer inability to send the appropriate amount of forces to deal with any of this individuals.

Like I said before, I'm arguing merely from a narrative perspective.

Is it possible that the Shichibukai all escape? Yeah, if the marines send a bunch of fodder, no doubt the Shichibukai will all escape. Would this scenario make the narrative any interesting? I'd argue no. Does it make logical sense to send a bunch of fodder after the Shichibukai? I'd argue no for that as well. If I were Akainu, I would have at least 1 or 2 admirals involved in the operation?
We also have something from Oda himself, where he implied something has happened to Sabo, Vivi and Boa.

Some other narrative points:
- SSG: Is the SSG, which was mentioned as a direct replacement of the Shichibukai, not going to demonstrate why it is so?
- Coby going after Boa: Would Oda have Coby go after Boa, just to take an L? I doubt it, especially given how Coby has been getting built up


All the Shichibukai were considered important for the WG during Marineford. This doesn't really mean much.
If Marines ABSOLUTELY want to capture the Shichibukai, they certainly can. Even Mihawk, just send a couple of admirals after him. Nobody in the series is soloing 2 admirals.
Yes, they are stretched thin. But, after abolishing the Shichibukai system, what else takes precedence over capturing them? They should focus most of their power on capturing them. Note: the entire stuff with Wano arc happens a few weeks later after the abolishment.

Let's look at the Shichibukai themselves:
- Mihawk:
Like you said, most likely Yonko level. Being Zoro's endgame is just one reason, but not necessary. He's been portrayed with Shanks, who is a Yonko himself. Given his power and narrative roles, least likely to get caught

- Buggy:
Was amongst my picks for those who could be caught, but now confirmed to not be the case, considering he did some wack stuff that made him a Yonko lol.

- Boa Hancock:
She's at best as strong as Doflamingo, which itself is giving her major benefit of the doubt, given how weak her crew is. I mean, her 2nd and 3rd strongest members (the sisters) got solo'd by pre timeskip Luffy. Assuming she's as strong as Doflamingo, any admiral can low diff her. The major flag for her however is that Coby is after her, Coby has the blessings of Oda. As well as Oda's own foreboding words.
Most likely candidate to get caught.

- Weevil:
Massive wild card. Apparently very powerful. I don't see him being captured, because then what is the narrative point? Introduce this random dude and get him caught before doing anything with him? Maybe, if Oda wants this dude hulking around and making trouble in the prison, just unlikely IMO