One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[McNuss]

Wtf where is Hancock?

Also I did not look past Throne Challenger Tier

Its not complete yet. I intend to include ALL characters. Hancock cannot be properly placed anyways yet and is either Throne Challenger or New World Diamond Tier.

Yeah that's the problem of the pl thread

 

[XXGenesis]

@McNuss Not a bad list at all. Appreciate the efforts here. I agree with how you are trying to divide the tiers..1st 3 Tiers are excellent…I commend your efforts as the tiers and characters you are trying to list and place becomes tricky and takes a lot of comparison.

New World Platnium

Dogstrom- commander lv characters deserve to be higher
CatViper-commander lv character deserves to be high
*Vergo- Should be lower; He’s should be lower way too high.

New World Gold/Silver/Bronze- has a lot of displacement. That just doesn’t make sense.

Sanji with DJ is in Bronze with Logue Town Zoro?!?!

Gecko Moria in NWSilver with iron/flying slash Zoro?!?!

 

[Pirate Queen]

My Top 15: Current ACTIVE characters, may change over next couple of chapters (No dead or assumed dead characters. Kaido/Big Mom not on the list), those I consider equal share a spot

Shanks
Akainu
BB
Aokiji
Luffy/Kizaru/Dragon
Mihawk/Fujitora/Greenbull/Shiryu
Hancock(Only due to hax)/Sabo/Mallegan
Garp/Rayleigh/Sengoku
Marco/Beckman
Katakuri/Yamato
Law
Kidd
Zoro
Sanji
King/Queen/Crocodile(If retconned)

 

[albertwv]

Cap, where do you rank Hancock? I can certainly read the next line but I want YOU to read it



You wrote that solely to piss off the Grand Fleet

Piss off the Grand Fleet? No.
I rank her at YC3 due to her strength. Yes her DF is hax but so is Sugar's. Not that I am comparing Sugar to Hancock, just their DF's. Hancock is mighty powerful due to her DF power that can turn people into stone. But like she mentioned her DF works that great due to her BEAUTY. If BB would have it, Im sure people would be able to counter it by not being attractive to him therefore, it would most likely be useless compared to how Hancock wields it. Her base stats are amazing but nothing exceptional like Doffy's or even Jimbei's. She has all 2/3 forms of haki shown so far, but how strong is her CoA or CoC. Can she use ACoA or ACoC, if so then I will rank her higher. But right now her base stats with CoA are not impressive to what we have seen in the NW.
Hancock hasn't shown us what she could do without her DF if she were too fight YC level. She was able to one shot the Pacifistas but so was Post TS Sanji.
I place her at YC3 level because I don't see her defeating Doflamingo, if it wasn't for her DF. I feel that Doffy would also be impervious to her attractiveness and the DF would not work.
Black beard only feared her because of her DF, but seeing how she was hanging like a doll from his hand. She could have kicked him with CoA but instead was defenseless.

I actually think her bounty is outrageously high just like Crocodile's. I guess Oda just hands over billion bounties to anybody nowadays.
People here like to overrate certain POPULAR characters.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Piss off the Grand Fleet? No.
I rank her at YC3 due to her strength. Yes her DF is hax but so is Sugar's. Not that I am comparing Sugar to Hancock, just their DF's. Hancock is mighty powerful due to her DF power that can turn people into stone. But like she mentioned her DF works that great due to her BEAUTY. If BB would have it, Im sure people would be able to counter it by not being attractive to him therefore, it would most likely be useless compared to how Hancock wields it. Her base stats are amazing but nothing exceptional like Doffy's or even Jimbei's. She has all 2/3 forms of haki shown so far, but how strong is her CoA or CoC. Can she use ACoA or ACoC, if so then I will rank her higher. But right now her base stats with CoA are not impressive to what we have seen in the NW.
Hancock hasn't shown us what she could do without her DF if she were too fight YC level. She was able to one shot the Pacifistas but so was Post TS Sanji.
I place her at YC3 level because I don't see her defeating Doflamingo, if it wasn't for her DF. I feel that Doffy would also be impervious to her attractiveness and the DF would not work.
Black beard only feared her because of her DF, but seeing how she was hanging like a doll from his hand. She could have kicked him with CoA but instead was defenseless.

I actually think her bounty is outrageously high just like Crocodile's. I guess Oda just hands over billion bounties to anybody nowadays.
People here like to overrate certain POPULAR characters.

Hancock is a master of all 3 haki's on top of her hax df.

Anyone with the ability to one shot Yonko level characters cannot be a mere YC3. It's just nonsense. You are ignoring the context that not only did she have to hold off the BB pirates and marines at the same time, She dealt with 2 Commander level character with her most simple attack.

Whether she is hax or not shouldn't be an issue. The fact remains she can use that power to deal with top tiers and there is little defense against it.

And we now know Hancock has the ability to one shot Doflamingo so no, he isn't stronger than her

You are holding her hax against her, but the fact remains she does have it, on top of all 3 haki, on top of being able to easily deal with Yonko Commander characters EASILY

 

[catagon87]

Piss off the Grand Fleet? No.
I rank her at YC3 due to her strength. Yes her DF is hax but so is Sugar's. Not that I am comparing Sugar to Hancock, just their DF's. Hancock is mighty powerful due to her DF power that can turn people into stone. But like she mentioned her DF works that great due to her BEAUTY. If BB would have it, Im sure people would be able to counter it by not being attractive to him therefore, it would most likely be useless compared to how Hancock wields it. Her base stats are amazing but nothing exceptional like Doffy's or even Jimbei's. She has all 2/3 forms of haki shown so far, but how strong is her CoA or CoC. Can she use ACoA or ACoC, if so then I will rank her higher. But right now her base stats with CoA are not impressive to what we have seen in the NW.
Hancock hasn't shown us what she could do without her DF if she were too fight YC level. She was able to one shot the Pacifistas but so was Post TS Sanji.
I place her at YC3 level because I don't see her defeating Doflamingo, if it wasn't for her DF. I feel that Doffy would also be impervious to her attractiveness and the DF would not work.
Black beard only feared her because of her DF, but seeing how she was hanging like a doll from his hand. She could have kicked him with CoA but instead was defenseless.

I actually think her bounty is outrageously high just like Crocodile's. I guess Oda just hands over billion bounties to anybody nowadays.
People here like to overrate certain POPULAR characters.

Saying that you "don't see ____ defeating _____ if it weren't for their DF" doesn't make a lot of sense. A lot of characters are strong because of their ability. Doflamingo would probably have to go the "stab/injure self" route to avoid being affected by her. Not to mention he's one of those who relies heavily on his ability. He has been shown to have lust in his heart and there's been hints that he may have done things with Viola (by Oda) in the past.

So far we've only seen Hancock fight in Marineford where she got away relatively unharmed, and against Blackbeard, who is a Yonko. So we can't really compare her to anyone currently, as we haven't really seen much of Blackbeard.

Also, IIRC, simply getting hit by her in and of itself is dangerous, and turns body parts to stone / breaks them away. According to her claim Luffy is the only one who's ever resisted her ability; The marine had to stab his hand and was basically out of breath afterward using willpower to overcome it. This basically means most fighters have to blitz her and take her out before she can use it.

 

[Nie Li]

Saying that you "don't see ____ defeating _____ if it weren't for their DF" doesn't make a lot of sense. A lot of characters are strong because of their ability. Doflamingo would probably have to go the "stab/injure self" route to avoid being affected by her. Not to mention he's one of those who relies heavily on his ability. He has been shown to have lust in his heart and there's been hints that he may have done things with Viola (by Oda) in the past.

So far we've only seen Hancock fight in Marineford where she got away relatively unharmed, and against Blackbeard, who is a Yonko. So we can't really compare her to anyone currently, as we haven't really seen much of Blackbeard.

Also, IIRC, simply getting hit by her in and of itself is dangerous, and turns body parts to stone / breaks them away. According to her claim Luffy is the only one who's ever resisted her ability; The marine had to stab his hand and was basically out of breath afterward using willpower to overcome it. This basically means most fighters have to blitz her and take her out before she can use it.

It sounds like they want to rank them "without cheats, only through their physical abilities and haki", but if cheats are part of their assets, of course they should be counted in a normal power ranking.

 

[catagon87]

It sounds like they want to rank them "without cheats, only through their physical abilities and haki", but if cheats are part of their assets, of course they should be counted in a normal power ranking.

Yeah.. weird way to argue power levels in OP.
Imagine Chopper's power ranking without a DF.

 

[Nie Li]

Yeah.. weird way to argue power levels in OP.
Imagine Chopper's power ranking without a DF.

Imagine Brook's.

 

[Hibari Kyoya]

Hancock is a master of all 3 haki's on top of her hax df.

There is no evidence to show Hancock is a Master of CoC, she is merely stated as a user. As far as I can recall there have been no shown Haki unleashes (that have incapacitated thousands) or ACoC usage. She could have very average CoC...potentially likely if she can settle most fights with CoA + Hax DF.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2022, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2022 ---

Same goes for CoO actually. Once again, only confirmed as a user, no mastery has been shown, either in terms of Future Sight or anything else.

 

[Pirate Queen]

There is no evidence to show Hancock is a Master of CoC, she is merely stated as a user. As far as I can recall there have been no shown Haki unleashes (that have incapacitated thousands) or ACoC usage. She could have very average CoC...potentially likely if she can settle most fights with CoA + Hax DF.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 13, 2022, Original Post Date: Sep 13, 2022 ---

Same goes for CoO actually. Once again, only confirmed as a user, no mastery has been shown, either in terms of Future Sight or anything else.

Your confusing mastery with potency

Luffy was a master of his CoC usage in Fishman Island by knocking out 50,000 Fishman. His potency increased as he got stronger.

I didnt say she had advanced forms. Just that she has mastery over all 3

 

[kkck]

Gotta say, I am surprised at how much fame has acquired over this short period. He's gotten to a point where a lot of people can recognize his name and has somewhat of a hero status. However, as shanks told WB a few years ago, fame and status come with complications. IIRC coby is a commodore. Which is not a high position but it's decidedly not a low one. Add to that his fame which would probably pressure the marines to take action against BB... On top of that coby is luffy's friend and he might not take kindly to this. And considering BB's attack against hancock it further adds to the enmity between BB and luffy. On top of that, BB is absolutely right about the risk hancock poses. Hancock actually taking a side, in particular luffy's side, is something that would probably get a reaction from... everyone.

 

[albertwv]

Im sorry when did Hancock use CoO? Plus just because someone can use all 3 forms of basic Haki doesn't necessarily mean they're that strong. Not unless they shown advanced forms can we say they fully have mastered it.

Yes I am implying that without her DF hax + beauty, Hancock would not be as dangerous as people make her. So far Luffy has been the only known to be impervious to her beauty and DF, while Momonga used pain, but I am certain that the top tiers would find a way to get around as well.
So then if are you guys who are defending Boa's usage of DF agree than Garp, Sengoku, WB, Kaido, BM, Shanks, Akainu, Mihawk etc will succumb to her and lose in a battle?
If so then Sugar can also quite easily defeat all of them. Let's rank Sugar Pirate King tier and above.
You see how dumb that sounds?

Hancock's beauty + her DF make a deadly pair, but not unbeatable. I highly doubt any of the Top Tiers would lose to her.
She hasn't shown us any impressive Haki feats, while Doffy has.
Plus did I mention, the Marines sent an admiral and 2 VAs for Doffy but only 1 VA after Hancock. who do you think they take more serious threat?

 

[Fox666]

Hancock's beauty + her DF make a deadly pair, but not unbeatable. I highly doubt any of the Top Tiers would lose to her.

It seems Haki won't protect someone from her ability, meaning she could defeat anyone who is not asexual like Luffy.

 

[albertwv]

It seems Haki won't protect someone from her ability, meaning she could defeat anyone who is not asexual like Luffy.

Which seems to be pretty unfair and kinda unstoppable from 99.8% of the OP world. Doubt Oda would make it like that.
I feel that Haki MAY stop her power. I say this because Law's DF was pretty unstoppable too but he himself stated that he could not use his DF against the likes of Kaido or Big Mom due to their haki.
We have no proof the haki can indeed overcome Hancock's DF but that is my guess.

 

[McNuss]

Some Updates

• Throne Tier
  • Charlotte Linlin (&Napoleon, Prometheus, Zeus/Hera), Edward Newgate, Im, Kaido, Kuzan, Marshall D. Teach (Post-Timeskip), Monkey D. Garp, Monkey D. Luffy (Awakening), Sakazuki, Shanks,
• Throne Challenger Tier
  • Issho, Aramaki, Borsalino, Sengoku, Kong, Monkey D. Luffy (Advanced Haki), Roronoa Zoro (Wano Arc), Trafalgar Law (Awakening), Eustass Kid (Awakening), Marco, Silvers Rayleigh, Yamato, Marshall D. Teach (Gura Gura No Mi), Sabo (Mera Mera No Mi), Shiryu (Suke Suke No Mi), Zunesha

• New World Diamond Tier
  • Tokikake, Gion, Tensei, Sentomaru, Donquixote Doflamingo, Monkey D. Luffy (Post-Timeskip), Roronoa Zoro (Post-Timeskip), Vinsmoke Sanji (Wano Arc), Jinbe, Trafalgar Law (Post-Timeskip), Killer (Post-Timeskip), Charlotte Katakuri, Charlotte Cracker, King, Queen, Jack, Charlotte Smoothie, Nightmare Luffy, Portgas D. Ace, Marshall D. Teach (start), Sabo (no DF), Magellan, Shiryu (no Df), Jozu, Vista
• New World Platinum Tier
  • Momonga, Comil, Vergo, Smoker (current), Tsuru, John Giant, Jaguar D. Saul, Dorry, Broggy, Gecko Moria (&Oars), Oars, Little Oars Jr.. Pica, Scratchmen Apoo, Charlotte Perospero, Charlotte Snack, Count Niwatori, Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Crocodile (Marineford), Vinsmoke Sanji (Raid Suit), Ulti, Who's Who, Maha, Guernica, Jesus Burgess (Post-Timeskip), Franky (Post-Timeskip), Izo, Ashura Doji
• New World Gold Tier
  • Stainless, Cancer, Mozambia, Onigumo, Doberman, Strawberry, Yamakaji, Lacroix, Lonz, Dalmatian, Bastille, Nazu Ketagari, Draw, X Drake (Post-Timeskip), Enel, Rob Lucci (Pre-Timeskip), Roronoa Zoro (Ashura, Shusui), Diamante, Trebol, Basil Hawkins (Post-Timeskip), Pedro, Viscount Hiyoko, Charlotte Oven, Charlotte Daifuku, Shishilian, Bartolomeo, Cavendish, Sai (Don Sai), Caesar Clown, Monkey D. Luffy (Gears), Hody Jones (Second Overdose), Nami (Zeus Tact), Vinsmoke Sanji (Post-Timeskip), Tony Tony Chopper (Rumble Upgrade), Sasaki, Black Maria (&Wanyudo), Kyros, Nico Robin (Post-Timeskip), Chinjao (head flattened), Brook (Post-Timeskip), Fuga
• New World Silver
  • Sicily, Akehende, Catacombo, Hina (current), T Bone (current), Kadar, X Drake (Pre-Timeskip), Smoker (Pre-Timeskip), Maynard, Koby (current), Roronoa Zoro (Iron Cutting, Flying Sword Slashes), Crocodile (start), Gecko Moria, Baron Tamago, Monet, Hody Jones (Overdose), Hyouzou (Overdose), Nami (Wukong Tact), Tony Tony Chopper (Post-Timeskip), Page One, Gladius, Dellinger, Ideo, Sai (start), Lao G, Chinjao (head restored), Sadi, Hannyabal (Pre-Timeskip), Inbi, Zanki, Jaki, Goki, Rokki, Nangi, Hatcha, Kunyun, Juki
• New World Bronze
  • Daigin, Yarisugi, Brannew (Post-Timeskip), Tashigi (current), Daz Bones, Nico Robin (Pre-Skip), Roronoa Zoro (Loguetown Swords), Monkey D. Luffy (start), Viper, Kaku, Jabra, Vinsmoke Sanji (Diable Jambe), Absalom, Hody Jones, Hyouzou, Ryuma, Nami (Post-Timeskip), Usopp (Post Timeskip, CoO), Tony Tony Chopper (start), Minotaurus, Minokoala, Minorhinoceros, Minozebra, Minochihuahua, Chadros Hygelyges (Crocotaur), Senor Pink, Baby 5, Machvise, Hajrudin, Bellamy (Post-Timeskip), Chinjao (head broken), Blue Gilly, Boa Marigold, Boa Sandersonia

• New World Challenger Tier
  • Very Good, Shu, Sharinguru, Gorilla, Helmeppo (current), Hina (Pre-Timeskip), T Bone (Pre-Timeskip), Arlong, Buggy (Muggy Balls), Alvida (slim), Zala, Vinsmoke Sanji (start), Roronoa Zoro (start), Nami (Perfect Clima Tact), Pell, Chaka, Dalton, Wapol, Chessmarimo, Bellamy, Satori, Gedatsu, Shura (&Fuza), Aum, Usopp (Kabuto), Bruno, Kalifa, Fukurou, Kumadori, Perona, Franky (start), Chadros Hygelyges (Pre-Timeskip), Buffalo, Gambia, Suleiman, Ran, Daisy, Cosmos, Rindo, Blue Fan, Marguerite (Post-Timeskip), Sweet Pea (Post-Timeskip), Aphelandra (Post Timeskip), Brook (Pre-Timeskip)
• Paradise Diamond Tier
  • Donquixote Rosinante, Kuro, Kuroobi, Hatchan, Chew, Krieg, Gin, Buggy (start), Bentham, Galdino, Babe (&Lassoo), Drophy, Chess, Kuromarimo, Shojo, Sarquiss, Yama, Usopp (Dials), Brahm, Kamakiri, Nami (Clima Tact), Nero, Giolla, Wanze, Marguerite (Pre-Timeskip), Sweet Pea (Pre-Timeskip), Aphelandra (Pre-Timeskip), Kikyo, Belladonna, Enishida, Nerine, Poppy, Pansy
• Paradise Platinum Tier
  • Pudding Pudding, Fullbody (current), Jango (current), Buchi (Hypnotized), Pearl, Gem, Mikita, Igaram, Usopp (start), Masira, Genbo, Kyuin, Jerry
• Paradise Gold Tier
  • Nezumi, Zotto, Fullbody (Pre-Skip), Morgan, Jango (Pre-Skip), Kabahji, Mohji (&Richie, Pre-Skip), Nefertari Vivi (&Karoo, Pre-Skip), Hotori, Kotori, Raki
• Paradise Silver Tier
  • Ripper, Stalker, Buchi, Alvida (fat), Mr. 7, Miss Father's Day
• Paradise Bronze Tier
  • Makko, Tashigi (Pre-Skip), Sham, Mr. 9, Miss Monday

• Paradise Challenger Tier
  • Mr. 10, Miss Tuesday
• Blue Diamond Tier
  • Rokkaku, Mr 11
• Blue Platinum Tier
  • Mashikaku, Shine, Asahija
• Blue Gold Tier
  • Mr. 13, Miss Friday, Nami (start)
• Blue Silver Tier
  • Lines, Billions, Akumai, Mr. Mellow, Mr. Love
• Blue Bronze Tier
  • Millions, Miss Catherina, Mr. Beans, Mr. Shimizu
• Poop Tier
  • Mansion Guards, Johnny, Yosaku, Genzo
• Civilian Tier
  • Koby (start), Helmeppo (start), Ukkari, Makino, Woop Slap, Rika, Ririka, Boodle, Poro, Kaya, Mornin, Merry

 

[Nie Li]

Which seems to be pretty unfair and kinda unstoppable from 99.8% of the OP world. Doubt Oda would make it like that.
I feel that Haki MAY stop her power. I say this because Law's DF was pretty unstoppable too but he himself stated that he could not use his DF against the likes of Kaido or Big Mom due to their haki.
We have no proof the haki can indeed overcome Hancock's DF but that is my guess.

But as soon as Law used his awakening he suddenly could affect Big Mom and Kaido, and so could Kid, despite their own haki not improving in that short time.

So even a Yonko's haki can officially be bypassed now with hax powers.

 

[McNuss]

But as soon as Law used his awakening he suddenly could affect Big Mom and Kaido, and so could Kid, despite their own haki not improving in that short time.

So even a Yonko's haki can officially be bypassed now with hax powers.

They were upped by Hawkins card magic...

 

[Nie Li]

They were upped by Hawkins card magic...

How so? Because he drew the Tower card symbolizing the collapse of the old? Right after he drew the death card on Killer just for Killer to cut right through his scythe-wielding strawman?

The manga never implied Hawkins buffed anyone in any way at that point. At most, he just predicted the result of the fights (especially Luffy's, since they were talking about joining the Beasts Pirates when that happened).

 

[McNuss]

How so? Because he drew the Tower card symbolizing the collapse of the old? Right after he drew the death card on Killer just for Killer to cut right through his scythe-wielding strawman?

The manga never implied Hawkins buffed anyone in any way at that point. At most, he just predicted the result of the fights (especially Luffy's, since they were talking about joining the Beasts Pirates when that happened).

Naah, the magic works, as shown with the Fool, Reversed card during his encounter with Luffy and Zoro.

Wether that's enough to defeat Killer is another question. It's a stupid fighting style anyways.