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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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My thoughts are the phase could do with some more action but I'm hardly one to provide judgement in that regard. Good to see Cres use her Noble, means she cannot be traitor unless they somehow have a Mafia Noble. Don't have a formed opinion on game structure or the whereabouts of the night kill. And I most certainly used my role.
Agreed on that front, after the drama of day 1 it feels like its become a bit more lethargic all though that's also probably due to time zones and availability. And thanks for sharing :thumbs

Couldn't agree more. Leaning towards lovers more, but not excluding shapeshifter and traitor possibilities. Idk about mentor tho', I hope we have a psychiatrist in the game. And if that would be the case, if anyone has a secondary role (town oriented ofc) should they come out or? like super mason or sickly or idk what other town secondaries there are, ah the infamous hot potato that killed me, though haven't seen that around in many games and it can be passed to anyone not just town.
Given the lack of kill last night, if there is a psych in the game then there might be a traitor to find.

I mentioned almost everysingle townie role in game so his hint is kinda shit


kinda forgot about the new roles at the time
Did you use your role last night Koko?
 

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depending on how you reply, I might votelock you today :)
 

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depending on how you reply, I might votelock you today :)

Jesus christ Baka, lock on Asasko, she needs pressure, keeps ignoring everything like she is totally looking like she killed a mafia yesterday. Which by the way is super true for James, whos ass for some reason you're on all day. What is your thesis on her "Traitorness" even? She can plain and simple be normy starter Mafia nothing in her behaviour explicitely said she is more traitor than mafia.

Care to explain at all why Gry would pick an open fight with a Team mate and be that much on each other's throats that one even gets killed in the process? You make no sense, buddy.

Let. It. Go.
Leave. James. Alone.
 

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vote kill samuel late vote on gry, he also didn't guess a role.
 

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Given the lack of kill last night, if there is a psych in the game then there might be a traitor to find.
Traitor, shapeshifter, lovers, lots to pick from, only problem is, if there's a psych, there could be townie secondary roles like sickly or super mason, in which case we'd need them to divulge that they have said roles before the psych gives their results publicly to avoid misslynches. I only had psych last game as part of my sin so idk how that should be played, but I'd lean more towards the psych not giving results too early if they get any (But don't take my word on that being the right path if any of you have this role).
 

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Jesus christ Baka, lock on Asasko, she needs pressure, keeps ignoring everything like she is totally looking like she killed a mafia yesterday. Which by the way is super true for James, whos ass for some reason you're on all day. What is your thesis on her "Traitorness" even? She can plain and simple be normy starter Mafia nothing in her behaviour explicitely said she is more traitor than mafia.

Care to explain at all why Gry would pick an open fight with a Team mate and be that much on each other's throats that one even gets killed in the process? You make no sense, buddy.

Let. It. Go.
Leave. James. Alone.
Where have I been on James all day? That's one question
Have you not seen my posts toward Asako all day? That's the second.

Asako is definitely scum. I'm sure. Why are you against me asking James about himself? Are you afraid he'll answer wrong?
 

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Where have I been on James all day? That's one question
Have you not seen my posts toward Asako all day? That's the second.

Asako is definitely scum. I'm sure. Why are you against me asking James about himself? Are you afraid he'll answer wrong?
then lock if you're so sure, know that if I die im gonna be petty as fuck about it for the future
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Good afternoon Asako, are you refusing to do an interview with me? Is that why you ignored my questions?
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what was your question
 

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Where have I been on James all day? That's one question
Have you not seen my posts toward Asako all day? That's the second.

Asako is definitely scum. I'm sure. Why are you against me asking James about himself? Are you afraid he'll answer wrong?
You are shifting focus from the real questions here, that keep getting ignored and you're notorious for wasting your votes on some BS, buddy. Think before you lock.

Tactically this makes no sense whatsoever to throw a buddy under the bus on D1, when there is no need to, so why are you so much on the first voters. I don't think we should be wasting time interrigating James today, when he was clearly having the loud beef with a Mafia and threw the first stones that led us to a successful lynch.

Someone like Sam is kinda sus vote, pressure him if you need to have a Gry voter killed, my my my.
 

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what was your question
- What do you think about the fate of GrySun?
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- From what we have investigated, you were in his favor, is there any reasoning behind this?
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- A good amount of citizens, including myself, have some suspicions towards you. What would be your defense to those accusations?

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Like I'm up for lynching Asako or DD today, but i wanna get a head start for tomorrow too you know? Asako's already sus, no? there's no doubt, DD's simply not contributing anything (but that's him every game, and usually the main reason I vote him, I'm trying hard to get out of that pattern, since any possible townie life is precious, but when you're just there to not bring anything worthwhile it gets on my nerves) and his vote on Jinx right after Gry (as you mentioned 10 mins after, so he could have seen Gry's vote above him, unless he was behind with pages and just randomly cast his vote not caring to read the thread, which also sounds like him).

So based off of that, I'd go for Asako today, but that doesn't mean I can't analyze other players too, no? @Evil3ye
 

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- What do you think about the fate of GrySun?
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- From what we have investigated, you were in his favor, is there any reasoning behind this?
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- A good amount of citizens, including myself, have some suspicions towards you. What would be your defense to those accusations?

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-Reaction yesterday: lol

-i wanted to wait till day 3 cause he claimed IC

- Arent I already answering these XD
They mostly doing it because the way i talked about gry yesterday, i dont think i was the only one that voiced my thinking about gry, didn't try to save him tho via lynch
if he died, he died, if he was IC i was just gonna blame those that lynched him XD
 

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You are shifting focus from the real questions here, that keep getting ignored and you're notorious for wasting your votes on some BS, buddy. Think before you lock.
remind me to come back to this a bit later, and explain my thoughts. All I'll say atm, I'm not shifting focus. Read between the lines you casanova Koala!

Tactically this makes no sense whatsoever to throw a buddy under the bus on D1, when there is no need to, so why are you so much on the first voters. I don't think we should be wasting time interrigating James today, when he was clearly having the loud beef with a Mafia and threw the first stones that led us to a successful lynch.


While I don't disagree with that. I, as well as many others, have done that D1 in the past to gain cred. So, to me, that is not a confirmation of alliance and I remember I have stood by this affirmation in previous games, and still stand by it.

Someone like Sam is kinda sus vote, pressure him if you need to have a Gry voter killed, my my my.


DW he's already there

 

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we seem to have a lot active roles, so hardly some passive or vanilla roles :mono
 

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-Reaction yesterday: lol

-i wanted to wait till day 3 cause he claimed IC

- Arent I already answering these XD
They mostly doing it because the way i talked about gry yesterday, i dont think i was the only one that voiced my thinking about gry, didn't try to save him tho via lynch
if he died, he died, if he was IC i was just gonna blame those that lynched him XD
Did you not notice how he wanted to prioritize him being the detective's target over Lambu/Lady Pompom? Didn't that spark any suspicions towards him from your side then?

Thank you for the interview! We will see what our citizens think about it!

As for me, I will have to votekill Asako for the time being.
 

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Hmm, OK then let's discuss.

They mostly doing it because the way i talked about gry yesterday
Yeah, so do you think the heat you are in is undeserved then?

Who instead of you should be suspicious?


i dont think i was the only one that voiced my thinking about gry, didn't try to save him tho via lynch
Not a very strong defense here for the position you are in. Tell us names, who were same opinion as you?

Do you think voting to save is the only way to try to save a dying Mafia buddy? Is there perhaps also something like the soft power of manipulation, like saying it's a salt train over and over again?

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Asako - bad feelings about her. Somehow the way she is wording her posts sounds too crafted.

Her only saving grace tbh is that even Gry found her suspicious.
 

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Did you not notice how he wanted to prioritize him being the detective's target over Lambu/Lady Pompom? Didn't that spark any suspicions towards him from your side then?

Thank you for the interview! We will see what our citizens think about it!

As for me, I will have to votekill Asako for the time being.
I liked yesterday post of pompom saying its a bad idea, so yea no didn't agree with that part
 

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well for now, I'll vote Asako.

Asako, no hard feelings, but your behavior was sus, and everyone noticed, and your explanations aren't logical, like even I was a bit uneasy about lynching an IC claim, but then since his behavior was so off, it made more sense that he'd just try to buy himself time, and when he advocated to detectives to check him instead of lambu/pom, it was super obvious that he was trying to buy time. So, yea, no excuse.

!votekill Asako

as much as I dislike having a town role out in the open D2, we need you to fess up.
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GB's vote on Sam, as much as I sort of agree, makes no sense for him to say since he didn't vote Gry at all and he didn't express being sus of him or contribute to the topic.

Sth to take note of as well.
 
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