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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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Let me get this one by one:

as i previously mentioned this game, yes I was <3

are you, like, trying to, like, take James' side?


what? Doctor as a secondary?
Yes, I was as surprised as you when I saw that.

"BREAKING NEWS!!! Baka Taichou, claimed to be the town's Psychiatrist, revealed confidential information about James Rye's condition in hope of helping to solve the mystery. Baka Taichou reports James Rye indeed has a secondary role. The word is just being spread around the village and the citizens will start discussing as to what problem is bothering James Rye.

Could he really be involved in an affair as a lover or a threesome candidate that he had casually mentioned the previous day? If that is the case who is he having an affair with?

James Rye's response to the accusation is that he no longer has that and his secondary role was Doctor. In that sense, I would like to ask @James Rye to say how he used the role.

Until next time,

Olivia 🫒"
Sadly, I am in-game as single as I am in real life. I used my Doctor action on Lambu.

Why didnt you hint anything about this situation? I would have expected some digging around yesterday about possible secondaries besides lovers
I did. I did the whole shtick with lovers, I said I didn't believe Gry's passive claim because that would be scum talk for hiding in a forest of passives. But then everyone came out as active and I was unsure if my assumption of people having vanillas as most common role was correct.

And what was the role there buddy? And are you saying if Baka were to investigate you again, you'd be clean? Doesn't that more sound like a Traitor recruit though?

Twice in a row Traitor my my. Gets me wondering why beginning of the day @Baka Taichou were all over Asasko being a traitor. That doesn't make any sense with your results now, does it?
Yes, I would no longer have a secondary. If that doesn't convince you, you can have a det investigate me instead of Crescent next night.

It doesnt matter, according to the rules any Town role could be a temporary role, but his claim of being an active role + having an active secondary sounds like big BS :lambirb
Nope, Psychatrist and Doctor are both Prio2, it came down to coin toss. In other words if my role had been used up before you investigated me you would have gotten no secondary role result. It just happened that your Prio2 happened before mine so you got the result which was entirely correct.
 

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Anyways, if James is Lover or Threesome scum, doesn't make much sense to kill him now. Mafia may want to make a hard push, but honestly, we shouldn't and Just let them sit and not trust each other for couple more nights he-he, while we lynches the real reds.

Also, perhaps more "Temp" roles will come out, maybe it's really a thing this game, but I kinda don't know, also also, Baka can check again next night. Seems like her role's purpose is fullfilled now anyway.

Or whaddadya think, buddies?
Depends on the light casted on the possible outcomes.

Does lynching an hypothetical Lover James eliminate a Mafia Lover alongside him? Yes
Would that leave an hypothetical threesome less time to guess correctly? Also yes

That said Im not advocating for a free pass on Koko-DD trains that easily, I can already see the mafos salivating at the idea, we still have more hours of talking and interrogating.
 

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Anyways, if James is Lover or Threesome scum, doesn't make much sense to kill him now. Mafia may want to make a hard push, but honestly, we shouldn't and Just let them sit and not trust each other for couple more nights he-he, while we lynches the real reds.

Also, perhaps more "Temp" roles will come out, maybe it's really a thing this game, but I kinda don't know, also also, Baka can check again next night. Seems like her role's purpose is fullfilled now anyway.

Or whaddadya think, buddies?
I am quite impressed and also shocked because I was also writing an article about how James shouldn't be a priority if he is a lover. Since we are already aware of that and there is no way for the lovers to win this early anyway. I might offer you an internship at my company if this keeps happening.
 

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As for my active role, I don't have one. It's why I said I'm active due my secondary role to hide my main role. I'm passive like Gry was, a regular Vanilla townie. It's why I first didn't believe Gry's claim and why I got nervous seeing all the active claimers except for Evil.

Sakura's role is good though, it tells us that we might got several secondary roles not just mine. After all giving someone psy when there is only one temp role in the whole game makes no sense. This either confirms lovers or we got several traitors of which some might be naive. But unlike last game I wasn't a traitor this game. :/
 

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We missing death(s). Wouldn’t it be more likely for a traitor secondary role????
Not Tp? Evil claimed passive on D1??? So PGO/Bomb/bulletproof. So James would been better choice? James likely recruited?

I mean he went after Gry…… who he always targets on N1?
 

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Nobody ever talks about Psy and your question was basically can people claim their secondaries please?

I'm the dumb one tho, I took note but didn't read what you were saying from that point of view, such a noob :(
don't worry, you weren't the only one, look at evil, he was already becoming sus of me for being on James from D1 and continuing on D2, and there was someone else who complained that I'm tunneling James besides you, so yea.

votekill james
you're still sus in my books xD, can you contribute something?

Explain to the people that didn't read, how is doc confirmable?
Oh come on Shad, are you reading my posts?

Ok so, what I was saying there was that he chose the "temporary role" because it's the only one he can't prove. He chose doctor because he can press on the idea that he doesn't have the role anymore because he protected someone last night. The other SECONDARY roles like Super Mason (can be confirmed by recruiter), Sickly (can be confirmed by making someone sick), Not Voter Disease (can be confirmed by passing it on ¬ I would have volunteered), they can ALL BE CONFIRMED. Then there's the Hot Potato which doesn't say shit about his aliagence.

So he picks the only role that can't be confirmed to try to make his escape.

Only problem in his claim is that, doctor has higher priority than psychiatrist. So him saying he used his temp role last night, basically confirms his scummyness because I would have gotten a "no secondary role" if he used the one shot role.

Correct me if I'm wrong someone.
 

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I did. I did the whole shtick with lovers, I said I didn't believe Gry's passive claim because that would be scum talk for hiding in a forest of passives. But then everyone came out as active and I was unsure if my assumption of people having vanillas as most common role was correct.


Yes, I would no longer have a secondary. If that doesn't convince you, you can have a det investigate me instead of Crescent next night.
The thing about lovers was not a secondary role talk and you did not hint at you having one, not a single time.

As for the second thing, it would be a magnificent idea if Mafia didn't have a Mafia Strongman back tonight, surely they passed it to a fellow scum.
Thinking deeply about it tho, I dont think Mafia would bother that much about killing Sakura if her investigation could prove taking a thorn off their shoes, so theres that.
 

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was, a regular Vanilla townie. I
So you could be death miller and show up as mafia member in theory?

or just recruited mafia member?

the world would just never know if you died…..

pom should have prosecuted James for going after her hubby right out of the park :scry
 

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Anyways, if James is Lover or Threesome scum, doesn't make much sense to kill him now. Mafia may want to make a hard push, but honestly, we shouldn't and Just let them sit and not trust each other for couple more nights he-he, while we lynches the real reds.

Also, perhaps more "Temp" roles will come out, maybe it's really a thing this game, but I kinda don't know, also also, Baka can check again next night. Seems like her role's purpose is fullfilled now anyway.

Or whaddadya think, buddies?
I agree both on him not being a priority lynch if lover, and even if he is the real traitor and not Asa, then him being recruited would come after I check him again, so his role won't disappear, because psych prio 2, kill/recruit prio 3
 

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Only problem in his claim is that, doctor has higher priority than psychiatrist. So him saying he used his temp role last night, basically confirms his scummyness because I would have gotten a "no secondary role" if he used the one shot role.
Not if you won the coinflip, Doc and Psychiatrist share Priority tier for Night Actions, its his only saving grace right now.
 

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@Baka Taichou According to the rules, you're wrong:

2. PRIORITY - "SAVING & INVESTIGATING" (& more)

Detective (all sanities)
Investigator
Spy (and Paranoid)
Psychiatrist
Mortician
Spirit Medium
Doctor (all sanities, Insane Doctor only when protecting)
Bodyguard
Hider
Bomb Defuser
Apprentice (both sanities)
Mafia Detective (when investigating)
Mafia Bomb Defuser (when defusing)
Mafia Doctor (when protecting)
Santa Claus
Shapeshifter
Sickly
Not Voter Disease


They all happen at the same time, not in a ranked system. Besides if it was ranked, psy happens before doc anyway according to this list so you would have seen my secondary role anyway.
 

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I can’t keep up reading anymore. My thoughts are like in overdrive about James
 

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Not if you won the coinflip, Doc and Psychiatrist share Priority tier for Night Actions, its his only saving grace right now.
That and my first stone throwing at Gry for noticing his first post and me pushing him until he claimed passive which got him to claim D3 IC which finally got him killed 'cause nobody believed that to be possible in this kinda game. Why shouldn't Temp roles be possible for a game that got a psy in?

I can’t keep up reading anymore. My thoughts are like in overdrive about James
Yeah, but no worries. I am more of a concern later down the game. So you don't have to think too hard about me today. It might just happen that I end up taking a Det action from you away to be confirmed first before you.
 

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So you could be death miller and show up as mafia member in theory?

or just recruited mafia member?

the world would just never know if you died…..

pom should have prosecuted James for going after her hubby right out of the park :scry
That would have made things easier for me, yeah. It would have still ended with a romantic death of Gry/pom but then I wouldn't be in this mess.^^;
 

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The thing about lovers was not a secondary role talk and you did not hint at you having one, not a single time.

As for the second thing, it would be a magnificent idea if Mafia didn't have a Mafia Strongman back tonight, surely they passed it to a fellow scum.
Thinking deeply about it tho, I dont think Mafia would bother that much about killing Sakura if her investigation could prove taking a thorn off their shoes, so theres that.
precisely what i was saying

is no one reading my posts T_T
 

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That and my first stone throwing at Gry for noticing his first post and me pushing him until he claimed passive which got him to claim D3 IC which finally got him killed 'cause nobody believed that to be possible in this kinda game. Why shouldn't Temp roles be possible for a game that got a psy in?
That doesnt erase your chances of being Lover dude, if anything it magnifies them. What I dont think you are is Traitor.

As for Temporary roles, why would there be one like this? Just to confuse the Psychiatrist? Why would a set up based about passing Primary roles would have a "trap" for a Psychiatrist who will get nothing by default, the internal logic is highly flawed in terms of design and Farfy is not new to this.
 

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Sadly I believe in baka taichou more than in james atm ;===;
 
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