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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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I agree both on him not being a priority lynch if lover, and even if he is the real traitor and not Asa, then him being recruited would come after I check him again, so his role won't disappear, because psych prio 2, kill/recruit prio 3
forgot to finish here, agree on him not being a priority lynch AND me checking him again tonight cuz even if he is the real traitor and not Asa, then him being recruited N2 would come after I check him again, so his role won't disappear, because psych prio 2, kill/recruit prio 3.

But if he was traitor and recruited last night his secondary will indeed disappear. So his used doc claim would be reinforced, which I don't believe because he's an experienced player and should have known not to use a one time shot like that N1 when we have other perma docs in game.
 

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Not if you won the coinflip, Doc and Psychiatrist share Priority tier for Night Actions, its his only saving grace right now.
That just makes it more unlikely, his claim I mean. Nobody seems to have an other Temp role so he is probably not honest about it. She should just double check him tbh, it's either Lover or Traitor anyways, and I agree Mafia won't go for a Psycho analyst as mommy issues are not their concern.
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Sadly I believe in baka taichou more than in james atm ;===;
That is sad for you.
 

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@Baka Taichou According to the rules, you're wrong:

2. PRIORITY - "SAVING & INVESTIGATING" (& more)

Detective (all sanities)
Investigator
Spy (and Paranoid)
Psychiatrist
Mortician
Spirit Medium
Doctor (all sanities, Insane Doctor only when protecting)
Bodyguard
Hider
Bomb Defuser
Apprentice (both sanities)
Mafia Detective (when investigating)
Mafia Bomb Defuser (when defusing)
Mafia Doctor (when protecting)
Santa Claus
Shapeshifter
Sickly
Not Voter Disease


They all happen at the same time, not in a ranked system. Besides if it was ranked, psy happens before doc anyway according to this list so you would have seen my secondary role anyway.
did say correct me if i'm wrong.

but still come on, what experienced player would use 1 shot det protection on the only confirmed player who other permanent doc will definitely go for on an N1?
 

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That just makes it more unlikely, his claim I mean. Nobody seems to have an other Temp role so he is probably not honest about it. She should just double check him tbh, it's either Lover or Traitor anyways, and I agree Mafia won't go for a Psycho analyst as mommy issues are not their concern.
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That is sad for you.
Probably, I would still encourage a Doctor to protect her tho. I dont need protections of any kind so I would rather have someone that confirms scum/townieness delivered in one piece to the next day
 

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The thing about lovers was not a secondary role talk and you did not hint at you having one, not a single time.

As for the second thing, it would be a magnificent idea if Mafia didn't have a Mafia Strongman back tonight, surely they passed it to a fellow scum.
Thinking deeply about it tho, I dont think Mafia would bother that much about killing Sakura if her investigation could prove taking a thorn off their shoes, so theres that.
There was no reason to come out as holding a 2nd role as I assumed that most of us had one and stayed quiet about it or acted like me as if their main role is active while it isn't. Plus I knew that after night 1 the role would be gone, so why bother thinking about it any further than that?

That doesnt erase your chances of being Lover dude, if anything it magnifies them. What I dont think you are is Traitor.

As for Temporary roles, why would there be one like this? Just to confuse the Psychiatrist? Why would a set up based about passing Primary roles would have a "trap" for a Psychiatrist who will get nothing by default, the internal logic is highly flawed in terms of design and Farfy is not new to this.
That's a fair guess, but wrong nonetheless.^^

My primary role is still there, though I can tell you I won't pass it to anyone for sure, lol. And my secondary is gone so I don't have it anymore. Maybe someone got a passive secondary that cannot disappear? It would explain why we got so many active claimers coming out in the open. Some of them might have Jesus or Bulletproof Townie. Though if no one comes out today then I would lynch myself as well.

Given that I am Vanilla it means I am either Sleeper or Death Miller. In either case, not useful for town except for my one night Doc use. Sorry. :/
 

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I feel Baka was very organic in this. So believe baka over James.

The only thing I can think of to be paranoid about would be M. Det smoking out a Tp maybe?
 

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There was no reason to come out as holding a 2nd role as I assumed that most of us had one and stayed quiet about it or acted like me as if their main role is active while it isn't. Plus I knew that after night 1 the role would be gone, so why bother thinking about it any further than that?



That's a fair guess, but wrong nonetheless.^^

My primary role is still there, though I can tell you I won't pass it to anyone for sure, lol. And my secondary is gone so I don't have it anymore. Maybe someone got a passive secondary that cannot disappear? It would explain why we got so many active claimers coming out in the open. Some of them might have Jesus or Bulletproof Townie. Though if no one comes out today then I would lynch myself as well.

Given that I am Vanilla it means I am either Sleeper or Death Miller. In either case, not useful for town except for my one night Doc use. Sorry. :/
Vanilla Townie with a One Use Doctor

Yeah with something like that you would better be lynched
 

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That and my first stone throwing at Gry for noticing his first post and me pushing him until he claimed passive which got him to claim D3 IC which finally got him killed 'cause nobody believed that to be possible in this kinda game. Why shouldn't Temp roles be possible for a game that got a psy in?
any TP would do that tho' except for Traitor ^^



Yeah, but no worries. I am more of a concern later down the game. So you don't have to think too hard about me today. It might just happen that I end up taking a Det action from you away to be confirmed first before you.
Sounds like Gry deja-vu
 

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did say correct me if i'm wrong.

but still come on, what experienced player would use 1 shot det protection on the only confirmed player who other permanent doc will definitely go for on an N1?
Because Lambu is perfect target for a potential recruitment by Mentor. And also he is the only confirmed townie due pom's prosecution and he was very mysterious about his role, so chances were high that Mafia would try to get rid of him because a) he is a good Mafia player b) town knows they can trust him and c) him not saying anything about his role could mean it is too valuable to risk with a passive/active hint.
I figured he was my best shot for that night and it's not like hanging onto a single doc action will mean much later down in the game.
 

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Yikes maybe a Dr. Sleeper
 

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I feel Baka was very organic in this. So believe baka over James.

The only thing I can think of to be paranoid about would be M. Det smoking out a Tp maybe?
Highly unlikely, a Mafia Det would not want to paint a target on themselves like this, it would only ensue distrust as the days pass and nothing happens to them.

I havent cleared my suspicions on you either Cres, I really need a Det result to confirm if you are the Mafia variant of Noble
 

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That doesnt erase your chances of being Lover dude, if anything it magnifies them. What I dont think you are is Traitor.

As for Temporary roles, why would there be one like this? Just to confuse the Psychiatrist? Why would a set up based about passing Primary roles would have a "trap" for a Psychiatrist who will get nothing by default, the internal logic is highly flawed in terms of design and Farfy is not new to this.
EXACTLYYYYY ♥

Sadly I believe in baka taichou more than in james atm ;===;
must hurt /pat pat
 

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due to my night action, i might found out either a miller or yeah it was my role that made things question...
i was after lambu tonight
Wait what??? Was this discussed already?

Detective claim?
 
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