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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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Curious, its the exact same process as @GB

Why do you guys trust that she's not Mafia?
If 2 people die tonight and I'm one of them, lynch Panda.

He tried to do exactly what SonOfDaws did in the Civ game, claim pirate because it fits with the mechanic and recruit his mentee and claim townie as stolen role.
 

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Really, but why, she voted along and pressured Asako with her interview thingies pretty early on. And was also yesterday calling out Gry's Innocent Detective ploy as BS that it was, so I kinda don't see that right now.



Yeah. But maybe just flattered as we were seeing eye to eye so far too often.
Well she never voted Gry yesterday and only agreed to the train being legit when all was said and done (with 15 minutes left in the timer).
She claimed active tho, which means she will have to reveal her actions eventually. We should still not lose sight of her.

If 2 people die tonight and I'm one of them, lynch Panda.

He tried to do exactly what SonOfDaws did in the Civ game, claim pirate because it fits with the mechanic and recruit his mentee and claim townie as stolen role.
I'll keep that in mind, tbf Pan is giving me strong TP vibes this game: doing just enough to not trigger anyone, be it Town or Scum.
 

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Shad think about it from a design perspective.

A trap for a Role that will get No results by default, since Secondary roles are rare to begin with (this is not the case for any other type of investigative role. Moreover, its a trap that would only work if the Psychiatrist targeted it before they use their Doc.

I wont lynch James today, I would rather wait for Sakura to confirm if he still holds a secondary after all but now Im afraid that she wont make the Night, specially if there's a second killing party. I dont have high hopes for this case.
If I die tonight, just lynch him. My gut feeling is telling me he's lover and I'm not tunneling.

Only mafioso that would want to kill me would be the lover one, only TP that would want to kills me is Shapeshifter so I don't see illusions, only townie that would want me lynched is Traitor.

Basically, for mafia team, if one mafia member tries to persuade you to kill me, they're the lover, you can throw them under the bus the next day.

Sadly for Shapeshifter idk what to suggest, if there's a bodyguard to protect me tonight?

As for Traitor, guess the ones trying to make me sus are to be looked at.
 

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To the first thing: Probably, add Kat there btw, the interview thingy was too short and monologuistic for my liking, as if she had her veredict scripted.

To the second thing: Doubt it, only DD theorized Mafia Rookie afaik so theres no throwing wrong guesses to mess with anything. I still believe Gry would not have passed Strongman to her of all people, she was too lynchable after yesterdays events.
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@Asako please reveal your role, its do or die for you by now.
no I prefer to get lynched
 

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I don't get it, why are you again worried for her? A Psych doesn't threaten Mafia team at all, but rather cleans their ranks.
i think he's thinking of a shapeshifter, would make sense for him to not want me discovering illusions
 

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Why? are you Freeman? We could save you if you are.
I wish, I already said its a good role, I rather get lynched and give it to someone else, better than it getting deleted
 

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Stop everyone asking for protects, you greedies. The medical professional know to make their own decision, have trust in their educational degree. After all we have had no death so far, innit right?

I kind of think like Lambs here, protecting me takes no priority, so choose some targets that Mafia would want to kill. Good luck, buddies.

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I wish, I already said its a good role, I rather get lynched and give it to someone else, better than it getting deleted

OK, and who?
 

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Oh right, forgot to mention that @Crescent Jinx suggestion to double lynch rubbed me the wrong way. I mean those never work and why the rush. Also what about trains being boring? Gry was trained yesterday and I didn’t see much complain about that from her? And yesterday she had weird votes because she was impatient and wanted to spotlight an inactive ?
yea this is sth i addressed her on but she said she'll keep the snotty comeback reply till more ppl posted o.o
 

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I wish, I already said its a good role, I rather get lynched and give it to someone else, better than it getting deleted
Who would you rather lynch if we were to switch to someone else?
 

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Who would you rather lynch if we were to switch to someone else?
isn't it better me getting lynched to save the role then get investigated by mafia det to then get it deleted ?
why I prefer getting lynched
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brand i say tho but that me to the question
 

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isn't it better me getting lynched to save the role then get investigated by mafia det to then get it deleted ?
why I prefer getting lynched
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brand i say tho but that me to the question
Why do you believe theres a Mafia Det?
 

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Why do you believe theres a Mafia Det?
mechanic seems pushing it, I could give mafia det to mafia if I was host
 

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mechanic seems pushing it, I could give mafia det to mafia if I was host
Wouldnt that just ruin the guessing game?
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Would you lynch GB or Digital today?
 

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Wouldnt that just ruin the guessing game?
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Would you lynch GB or Digital today?
will it ?
i mean I could think its a way to combat the fact some roles could exist forever

GB yea
DD not so much, he did claim
 

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Yeah OK; I'm kind of bored, I will make a sus list.

Trusted villigers
🔹 Lambu -> pompom died for him
🔹 Baka Taichou -> seems to be telling the truth, James admitted
🔹 MadNat -> seems like she genuinely slipped up
🔹 Shad -> killed Gry D1

Neutral/Bit more Trust
🔹 Kat -> seemed cohesive so far, but maybe just repeating the popular trend, and popular trend so far was pro-town
🔹 SirSamuel016 -> was thinking late Gry vote was bit sus, but then double checked after birdie's argument in his favour and it was kind of early-ish, so maybe pass
🔹 Brandish -> think the role hints were rather on the concrete side, so time will tell
🔹 Holt -> same as brando
🔹 Crescent Jinx -> feel like too weird for a mafia noble play, but not super sure of townieness

More scum than town
🔹 digitaldude -> yesterday's vote was strange, wouldn't want to lynch today though before seeing if some results come in
🔹 Copy Panda -> yesterday I was very cautious of the Gry defense, but then the target announcement threw me off a bit, perhaps what Shad said about fake-pirate play attempt
🔹 GB -> would daykill if I could :shootme
🔹 Marmalade -> non existent this game

Seems Scum

🔹 James Rye -> Temp Secondary seems like a huge fake, as nobody else claims it
🔹 Asako -> defended Gry and does not cooperate.
 

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i dontt knowww
 

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Can they use her death to cause a misslynch, I don't see how since mafia lover can't convince his team to do it.



So yeah, I was scared when I was last voter, but now it the detective xD

@James Rye jump on the hypothetical grenade you are passive :hug



It doesn't hurt to be safe but, voting baldly is more deadly than bombs, if you vote badly you can be lynched and saying I was afraid of bomb won't help.
If she were bomb, would there be a point in hiding it? If anything I think it’ll induce more chaos as some will be scared to vote on her. Pretty much a win win. If this is a major concern, we can have James lock on her. I mean he claims vanilla with a spent doc secondary, and he’ll have that pretty much hanging over him rest of the game. No harm in having him vote last on her
Alright, locking my vote, guys. Nobody should vote/lock after me else this doesn't make sense. Though I don't think a bomb makes that much sense in a "role passing" game, so I don't expect Asako to be one, even Mafia bomb seems like a waste with this mechanic, it just gets insta-killed by Strongman or any other Mafia role if they got no Mafia Member to pass to.

Votelock Asako. @Erinyes @Farfalla

And with the time getting close to midnight, I'm going to bed. Good night.
 

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isn't it better me getting lynched to save the role then get investigated by mafia det to then get it deleted ?
why I prefer getting lynched
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brand i say tho but that me to the question
But who would you lynch, as in mafia wise?
Considering James rn bc the secondary thing is just odd, which stands out and I still think you are not mafia at all 😅
 
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