Games Mafia Game 107 - ACNH: The ManHel Tale - Game End

[Farfalla]

Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):

Spoiler: Setup

ID	Affiliation	Primary Role	Secondary Role	Sanity	Player
1	Town	Detective		Insane	MadNat
2	Town	Spy		Sane	Brandish
3	Town	Doctor		Sane	Asako
4	Town	Banshee			GB
5	Town	Necromancer			Shad
6	Town	Psychiatrist			Baka Taichou
7	Town	Prostitute			Evil3ye
8	Town	Bulletproof			Lambu
9	Town	Mortician			digital
10	Town	Psychiatrist			Holt
11	Town	Prosecutor			Lady Pompom
12	Third Party	Santa Claus			Kat
13	Town/Mafia	Pirate	Traitor		James Rye
13	Town/Mafia	Noble	Traitor		Crescent
15	Mafia	Mafia Detective			SirSamuel
16	Mafia	Strongman			GrySun
17	Mafia	Mafia Escort			Copy Panda
18	Mafia	Pirate			Marmalade

Spoiler: Santa

GIFTS LIST

Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)

The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].

Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)

One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.

CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)

The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.

Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration

Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~

 

[Farfalla]

I don't really understand priority 0 passing and if the mafia guy can watch their night pad tbh, so I have no idea. Perhaps they could have used already Strongman on N1 if they picked Person X to perform kill and Person X get passed that dead role. I have no idea. @Farfalla

The role transfer/acquisition happens before any other action so that would have been taken into consideration before "sorting" the rest of the actions in the pile. And yes dead mafia can read their pad as usual.

That is also some game specific rules that are not our normal forum rules, better to ask hosts. @Erinyes

Again it's a matter of following the priority sequence...

 

[Copy Panda]

Answer fast, if DD was not blocked why did DD not see your action on Asako.

uh either he or i was blocked probably? tbh from the way he phrased it, it sounded like he was the target

i was gonna raise this point as strange later, that both he and nat didnt receive any information

 

[James Rye]

Hey, we're not useless, we can still use our brains and vote, cheer up buddies! That said, would you jump on a GB train?

Yeah, I would be fine with that.
Normally I would have voted Panda before going to bed due him and digi being my most sus together with asako due the whole gry lynch and with digi claiming before panda did he had more merit to keep on living even despite his votes on me twice. But after the asako disaster, panda claiming pirate/necro which Shad verified but us not knowing if Marm stole the role in night 1 and digi having no results I was leaning to digi but he could prove Panda's claim so killing him is contraproductive. And GB did vote for me twice after Baka's findings on me, so yeah, I was getting sus of him for wanting to get rid of me so quickly when it is obvious that Mafia is framing me to die instead of one of them. I think GB would be smart enough to see it like you, Shad and Lambu did. So I would enter a GB train or do you want me to start it?

 

[Evil3ye]

Again it's a matter of following the priority sequence...

So you disable the player's role in the "graveyard "when they are passed via prio 0 following phase? Is that what you are saying? It cannot be used by a Necromancer after like three days?

 

[James Rye]

So you disable the player's role in the "graveyard "when they are passed via prio 0 following phase? Is that what you are saying? It cannot be used by a Necromancer after like three days?

Shad probably asked the hosts that already personally. @Shad Did the hosts explain to you how necro is supposed to work in a system where roles get passed on and on? Like are you there to take the roles that got kill-blocked by a Mafia guess? Meaning all regular roles that got passed by the previous owners are not interesting to you since they are then Vanilla townies in the graveyard?

 

[Evil3ye]

I don't want start no trains as I already voted Panda and that would lock me out, but I would like to have ... come si dice ...the options, as Mimi Jinx yesterday said.

But I would like to hear Lambu's, Sam's and maybs Brando's input too here to cross reference not being completely on wrong track. Also, what the reporter says?

@Kat @SirSamuel016 @Lambu @Brandish μ

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 14, 2022, Original Post Date: Nov 14, 2022 ---

Also @Holt

 

[Farfalla]

So you disable the player's role in the "graveyard "when they are passed via prio 0 following phase? Is that what you are saying? It cannot be used by a Necromancer after like three days?

If a living player currently has the role - and, again, considering roles might be transferred with prio 0, then it's not on a dead player.

 

[James Rye]

If a living player currently has the role - and, again, considering roles might be transferred with prio 0, then it's not on a dead player.

In other words a Necro cannot take what isn't there. Got it. Meaning Necro is there to save roles from the graveyard that got prevented from being passed due the 2nd role Obvious fool, is that correct?

 

[Evil3ye]

If a living player currently has the role - and, again, considering roles might be transferred with prio 0, then it's not on a dead player.

But the target of Necromancer goes on a player, not their role q_q it's not really clear how you phrase it. But ok, I get it, when Baka circulated back the role to the living it cannot be used. Che palle.

Then that falls through the floor, tut tut. But Digital's thing though would still work as it is not role related. hmm.

 

[digitaldude]

I still don't understand why everyone was dead certain asako was mafia yesterday....just it doesn't make sense...

 

[Farfalla]

But the target of Necromancer goes on a player, not their role q_q it's not really clear how you phrase it. But ok, I get it, when Baka circulated back the role to the living it cannot be used. Che palle.

Then that falls through the floor, tut tut. But Digital's thing though would still work as it is not role related. hmm.

It is clear if the dead player has an action that affects the role

 

[digitaldude]

Is it safe to assume the train was started by townies and mafia were fine with it?

 

[Shad]

uh either he or i was blocked probably? tbh from the way he phrased it, it sounded like he was the target

i was gonna raise this point as strange later, that both he and nat didnt receive any information

You mafia lol

You can't target Asako to begin with, role transfer is priority 0 and necro can't target dead townies with no active role which Asako became after she transfers.

You can submit your action in case Asako forgets to transfer her role, but once she does, your action is cancelled.

So @digitaldude you won't even see it tomorrow.

If you were necro، you would ask questions about how to use your role.

 

[Evil3ye]

I still don't understand why everyone was dead certain asako was mafia yesterday....just it doesn't make sense...

No, as Lambs said the most sus were actually defending her. Marmalade said "Asako looks townie" and GB said "#saveAsasko". Panda as well said but then joined to vote anyway.

 

[MadNat]

so Guys and Girls, i am going to bed... make my thoughts during sleep...maybe on the next day, my mind helps me better to make a better vote choice... have a nice discussion further, hope i can clearly catch up with it tomorrow...
good luck for also voting or whatever...
some i haven't seen around a lot hope to see some more words written too...

 

[Lambu]

I got home and relaxed a bit before going here, had my daily dose of stress already so Im going to adress things one by one.

Where is @Lambu ? I need to pick that paloma brain. I don't trust myself anymore.

I think we for sure need to figure out how Marmalade died, and if this ties with the Mafia Panda hypothesis or not, buddies.

@Lambu

isn’t he still playing the game? Been waiting for one of his theories

Still on page one of the day so I could only answer with what I know of yesterday's stunts and death post, but my initial guess is that SK/Mentor-chan most likely killed Marma cause they thought she might be something good (active and secretive).

Also GB and Crescent are 95% scum (would dare say GB is 99%, we cant go wrong with him), DD is 90% and James is 100% a Lover or Traitor, Asako's death confirmed his Temporary Doctor thing is BS.

Theres also a good new tho, They killed Sakura, which means they couldnt kill Nat. This confirms that they do not have Mafia Strongman in their power and Gry for whatever reason passed it to a non-teammate lol


Ok reading time, cacaw!

 

[James Rye]

I still don't understand why everyone was dead certain asako was mafia yesterday....just it doesn't make sense...

Probably because of how aloof and absent Asako acted. She was fine with dying due the mechanic meaning she could destroy a mafia role or giving another townie her role so it would still live. People interpreted that as Asako having given up after failing to save Gry and being too sus for it by too many.

You mafia lol

You can't target Asako to begin with, role transfer is priority 0 and necro can't target dead townies with no active role which Asako became after she transfers.

You can submit your action in case Asako forgets to transfer her role, but once she does, your action is cancelled.

So @digitaldude you won't even see it tomorrow.

If you were necro، you would ask questions about how to use your role.

See, I knew Shad would ask the hosts everything about his role because this one seems to be quite tricky to use in a setting where the dead can pass on roles on their own until hindered by a mafia guess.

 

[Evil3ye]

This confirms that they do not have Mafia Strongman in their power and Gry for whatever reason passed it to a non-teammate lol

Ehhh? Wouldn't that townie have said that yesterday? Even TP would probably or would that look bit sus so they kept shut to not want be lynched?

 

[James Rye]

so Guys and Girls, i am going to bed... make my thoughts during sleep...maybe on the next day, my mind helps me better to make a better vote choice... have a nice discussion further, hope i can clearly catch up with it tomorrow...
good luck for also voting or whatever...
some i haven't seen around a lot hope to see some more words written too...

Good night, Nat. Don't forget to vote before the day ends.

I got home and relaxed a bit before going here, had my daily dose of stress already so Im going to adress things one by one.




Still on page one of the day so I could only answer with what I know of yesterday's stunts and death post, but my initial guess is that SK/Mentor-chan most likely killed Marma cause they thought she might be something good (active and secretive).

Also GB and Crescent are 95% scum (would dare say GB is 99%, we cant go wrong with him), DD is 90% and James is 100% a Lover or Traitor, Asako's death confirmed his Temporary Doctor thing is BS.

Theres also a good new tho, They killed Sakura, which means they couldnt kill Nat. This confirms that they do not have Mafia Strongman in their power and Gry for whatever reason passed it to a non-teammate lol


Ok reading time, cacaw!

I'm really ain't either, I swear, I don't know why I got what I got...

If Mentor is in-game who was his most likely target to be recruited besides you in night 1?

Would Gry really send Strongman to destroy another townie role instead of leaving it in his Mafia hands? Doesn't feel like something Gry would do, especially not if Mafia had Poisoner to be used on Baka in night 1, perfect target to become a new Strongman.

 

[Evil3ye]

Would Gry really send Strongman to destroy another townie role instead of leaving it in his Mafia hands? Doesn't feel like something Gry would do, especially not if Mafia had Poisoner to be used on Baka in night 1, perfect target to become a new Strongman.

Agree. Last game he really really wanted Baka dead to have her Strongman kill ability and have certain kills. I think they very well still have it, they just still have a Blocker so they used that instead of Strongmanning Nat.

And probably wanted to get an other role taken out by Marmalade, but they weren't really smart and didnt read the room and got Threesome or so. I kind of think the game is too small for two killing parties? But maybe just wishful thinking. It would be totally clear if a different Mafia Member than their Pirate was found dead, but this still leaves hope there are not. Hmm. Just sussy Marms as target doesn't make sense to me.