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Aight, here are the game infos (setup and actions):
IDAffiliationPrimary RoleSecondary RoleSanityPlayer
1TownDetectiveInsaneMadNat
2TownSpySaneBrandish
3TownDoctorSaneAsako
4TownBansheeGB
5TownNecromancerShad
6TownPsychiatristBaka Taichou
7TownProstituteEvil3ye
8TownBulletproofLambu
9TownMorticiandigital
10TownPsychiatristHolt
11TownProsecutorLady Pompom
12Third PartySanta ClausKat
13Town/MafiaPirateTraitorJames Rye
13Town/MafiaNobleTraitorCrescent
15MafiaMafia DetectiveSirSamuel
16MafiaStrongmanGrySun
17MafiaMafia EscortCopy Panda
18MafiaPirateMarmalade
GIFTS LIST

❄ Brewster's Gift "Drink it hot or give it up." (Hot Potato)
The Hot Potato explodes at the end of a day designated by the host before the start of the game, killing the player holding it. The holder of the Hot Potato doesn't know when it will explode, but he can pass it to another player at night, separately from any night ability he has. This passing can't be blocked. If the holder gets killed, the Potato explodes killing both the holder and the killer; if the holder is lynched, the Potato [dies with him].
❄ Kicks' Gift "You never know how things might turn out." (single-use Bar Keeper redirect)
One player ends up being the drunkest and uses his night action on a random player.
❄ CJ's Gift "A night cruise is a good way to catch night fish." (single-use Mafia Detective)
The Mafia Detective has the ability to investigate one player per Night and learn the player's Role. Only he is told the role of his target via PM. Whenever the Mafia Detective's investigation ability is performed, he cannot be chosen to go for a kill on the same night.
❄ Wisp's Gift "Tah-Dahh!" (this player's votes are worded as "Ho ho ho" during the next day)

❄ Jingle's Gift "Isn't this the best time of the year, kid?" Mandatory 5th Gift
(Santa Clause: this gift allows the game to go on. At the end of the game, Santa wins with the other winning party. Happy celebration ;)



Now first lemme thank @Erinyes for her massive participation in the game. At first, I got the November slot to host alone, and she asked me to join and I'm so happy she did! She's not only a very curious and interested person so we had a very nice and easy time discussing our ideas, but she also has the strength and endurance of a lion... I was often dead while we were hosting, but Erinchi followed everything and kept the game organized. She barely slept @.@ And that's a testimony I really needed to share with you all, 'cause her dedication and calm deserve lots of appreciation.

Also thanks @Hardy and @Vandred for double-checking the game mech (and in Poop's case, the comp as well) and giving us your honest thoughts, so we could try to present a game that would be fair and entertaining to people.

And finally, even tho some other points were addressed already, I'd like to thank all the players, from the heart. I know this game was too soon because of my availability due to local holidays, and I know you guys were tired - which for sure didn't improve during this time lol. So I really need to commend you all, because you guys were either putting in a lot of time and effort inside the game, analyzing and discussing nonstop, or in the deadpad - you guys also got no rest. As hosts, that's the biggest kind of feedback we could get: to have you guys really onboard. Some moves were questionable, but no one can't say any of those teams weren't trying... it's only natural that drained people will make some mistakes, so to me that's another sign of the praise you guys deserve.

Quick comments about the game that I've mentioned in the deadpad already: in general, the idea with the mech was to add a simple new function (and we tried to map beforehand the main game new considerations we'd need to have it in place) but that could allow a new set of strategical moves to be exploited - now I would reconsider the priority we used since we realize it would have been more adherent to people's preference. The game also had 2 Traitors 'cause Pirate is a VERY weak mafia that can suicide and lose the ability to kill later on, so we wanted to give them better odds (lemme say it one more time in here that the notion that means town had 2 extra people to lynch is wrong, first because town had 2 killing tools in the Prosecutor and the Banshee, and second because they don't need to eliminate unrecruited traitors to win). It had 2 Psys 'cause even tho we wanted mafia to have better chances to recruit, that didn't mean we wanted them to recruit BOTH, so town had more chances to find at least one on the other hand (even if one role would get erased eventually), and at the same time the role could cause some confusion that mafia could exploit. The Mortician came in place to trace stuff like Santa and fake claims/transfers regarding any role/action that got "buried" - imo it's more effective than the SM because it can target antitown and spot unknown stuff that could still be in-game; it was a late game resource that had good chances of being effective with the role transfer mech. The Necromancer was also in there for its recycling capabilities since we'd have roles being lost, and in this setup it would be less OP than it usually is, since his options would still be reduced. The Santa was there for extra fun, imo, since the role could still be used even if the OG player and their wincon was gone: two gifts - that we expected to be the last ones - were clear signs that there was a Santa in-game in case it would fly by too successfully - and even that was just to cause some ruckus since the last gift allowed the game to go on after Santa would win - which to me it's a needed measure so we won't have sudden major frustration with an unexpected game end (I do understand why the game usually has to end when Santa is in it, so people don't ignore the role, but in this case we saw an opportunity to play around that and fix the issue regarding that); Santa's other gifts were there to provide some extra spice but unfortunately, as you can see in the night actions, I made a mistake while processing GB's action with the Hot Potato. GB got blocked by Evil when he tried to pass it to James and I overlooked it that the passing can't be blocked. It would have been simple to fix it during the day by PMing the both of them if Bran didn't spy on GB and, coincidentally, Sam hadn't claimed the exact same action and outcome. After discussing with some people, we reached the conclusion that the attitude that would cause the least interference and damage to a bigger number of players would be to just remove the Hot Potato from the game and inform that to GB, which is what we did.

GG mafia, you fought the long battle and won! GG town, it's never easy to be on the more clueless side, trying to put pieces together. GG Santa cause Santa is always fun~
 

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Well played, finding one so fast, that a game changer.

I'm not used to living this long, this is the part where we start looking at actions instead of writing fan fictions.

@Holt do you think we should force claims right now or be scared to reveal the doctor?

I'm the opinion we force reveals, doctor isn't guaranteed to even be on a townie, I checked and doctor can't protect pirate from dying on TP, if they could we would know they are town for sure.

I also don't believe in mentor anymore.
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@Brandish μ @GB @James Rye
Claim previous / new role, targets.

@SirSamuel016 confirm not to have been blocked, if you have been blocked it changes everything.
 

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The hosts had a Xmas gif in their sign up posts too.

No claim for me other than too reinforce it's a goodie.
 

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M.Pirate may have been used to disable SirSam.

So with MadNat claiming being blocked we can assume it SirSam that got disabled..
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The hosts had a Xmas gif in their sign up posts too.

No claim for me other than too reinforce it's a goodie.
What the plan then?
 

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Wait I guess. I'm yet to formulate my cunning and subtle plan.
Let me rephrase.

Assuming SirSam gives us no result, who will you want to lynch?
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Very well, tomorrow it is, if my theory is correct then Mafia would not touch us tonight since they would have their hands full with Nat and Sam already (Doctor-chan please).

But I still feel like we are missing a piece of the puzzle, since we failed at going stealth then we might aswell just force the structure to reveal itself

Escort is broken in this setup, with investigative roles getting disabled the moment they reveal, they can keep the escort on the new player until they are lynched, I really underestimated the power of mafia giving town their roles.

But I still feel like we are missing a piece of the puzzle, since we failed at going stealth then we might aswell just force the structure to reveal itself
Lambu is suggesting that revealing was good yesterday, evil said he is planning to claim today.

I don't see how you will not claim @Brandish μ.
If you don't want to claim because you are the doctor, by the time the few people remaining would have claimed, mafia can easily connect the dots, if you have a good role, then D4 you should have results, otherwise it isn't a good role.
 

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Sam's results are one of a number of interesting items for the day.

Or maybe I have a really good role and suck at it, so I need 5 or 6 days, hmmm?
 

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Sam's results are one of a number of interesting items for the day.
Ok wait for Sam's results, and see how the day goes, in the end that is also information, the order of claims is also information.

Or maybe I have a really good role and suck at it, so I need 5 or 6 days, hmmm?
Just to be sure, you are confirming it a role that gives results? Or is this just fluf part of the being difficult pkaystyle?

@Crescent Jinx you are basically under direct attack here, your only option is naive traitor and that won't work since any sane person would have claimed it the moment a Psy was claimed.

So Holt is saying you are Lover, probably the mafia one considering your interaction with Gry on D1.

If your plan is to counter attack, make a case on why would a mafia or lover pull this stunt, show how it benefits them and all.
 

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Well played, finding one so fast, that a game changer.

I'm not used to living this long, this is the part where we start looking at actions instead of writing fan fictions.

@Holt do you think we should force claims right now or be scared to reveal the doctor?

I'm the opinion we force reveals, doctor isn't guaranteed to even be on a townie, I checked and doctor can't protect pirate from dying on TP, if they could we would know they are town for sure.

I also don't believe in mentor anymore.
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@Brandish μ @GB @James Rye
Claim previous / new role, targets.

@SirSamuel016 confirm not to have been blocked, if you have been blocked it changes everything.
Definitely on board with everyone claiming. Anyone refusing to is an auto lynch target for me tbh. Missing Lambu already but we'll make do regardless.
 

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Definitely on board with everyone claiming. Anyone refusing to is an auto lynch target for me tbh. Missing Lambu already but we'll make do regardless.
I need to clarify, from your perspective, Jinx is the day's lynch right? (Assuming she doesn't give an explanation nobody could think of).

Even tho we have a lynch we should still reveal the game?
 

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I did not get a result for my target last night :(

With Holt's result on Jinx, it looks like the scum remaining are James, Panda, GB, and then Jinx potentially a traitor? 🤔

Even tho we have a lynch we should still reveal the game?
We have multiple lynch candidates given behaviour, voting pattern and results across the last few days and I'm in favour of everyone revealing. Then we can figure out the order for which scum is lynched first.
 

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@Holt why didn't you consider that Sam will lose his role, the way you requested confirmation, it didn't sound like you considered that option.
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I did not get a result for my target last night :(

With Holt's result on Jinx, it looks like the scum remaining are James, Panda, GB, and then Jinx potentially a traitor? 🤔



We have multiple lynch candidates given behaviour, voting pattern and results across the last few days and I'm in favour of everyone revealing. Then we can figure out the order for which scum is lynched first.
Noble traitor, sounds bad in a normal game since they would lose the ability to vote once recruited, in this game they can claim receiving a role but they would have a high chance to be counter claimed if the role went to a town.
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I did not get a result for my target last night :(
No result? Without getting pirate?
 

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Shad these guys could end up confusing you. We still have digital and Panda.

Did you test to see if you could use Necro Shad?
 

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Shad these guys could end up confusing you. We still have digital and Panda.

Did you test to see if you could use Necro Shad?
This game is making necro look bad, the graveyard is full of scum roles, can't confirm losing my role yet.

What do you mean to say exactly? Panda necro is dead weight, he can't provide any info and DD can't check TP.

I agree that it is confusing, I'm just mainly getting people to talk, I'm not actually believing any thing, it just looks that way.

SirSam Vs MadNat
Holt Vs Jinx
Evil Vs Lambu
 

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This game is making necro look bad, the graveyard is full of scum roles, can't confirm losing my role yet.

What do you mean to say exactly? Panda necro is dead weight, he can't provide any info and DD can't check TP.

I agree that it is confusing, I'm just mainly getting people to talk, I'm not actually believing any thing, it just looks that way.

SirSam Vs MadNat
Holt Vs Jinx
Evil Vs Lambu
Necro can use Psych? We don't know if she passed it.

dd is checking Baka.

These a lot of potential info today I'm not gonna speculate just yet.
 

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That means MadNat is lying about being blocked?
Possibly, but we might be looking at a situation with two blockers?

There's another talking point in Santa Claus and what Kat could have possibly gifted. No one has claimed to have received a gift yet which also raises some eyebrows.
 

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Role transfer is the best way to get rid of a role, Marm died in N2 and so should transfer her role in D3.

Why didn't she gives it to you or to MadNat, assuming Panda isn't M.Pirate that already stole detective?

Who else would she gives it to?

Necro can use Psych? We don't know if she passed it.
I forgot about that, I assumed she will give it and forgot to check :emocat
 

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Possibly, but we might be looking at a situation with two blockers?

There's another talking point in Santa Claus and what Kat could have possibly gifted. No one has claimed to have received a gift yet which also raises some eyebrows.
Nat was kind enough to give us his targets, but my understanding is gifts can be anything, can they be something the player isn't aware of?
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Yeah I just lost the right to ever complain when people say they forgot to send action.
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PS: In case you haven't confirmed Panda's innocence by now, just know he definitely isn't green in my eyes.
PS2: If it helps, my target Night 1 James Rye and Night 2 Panda. Also one more thing, my role as you may know already may explain lack of kills on night 1.
Anyway just KNOW that Panda is NOT town. IDK what Sam got as results, could there be some effects that change his results? I don't know and I don't have time to research it either so please have a look into that if you don't want to lose another town.

I am really sorry this had to happened the one day I am in a whole different country but it is what it is.

I BELIEVE IN YOU THOUGH 💜🫒
Because he is mafo ofc~
I don't think it is against the rules since he isn't playing against his win condition, @Kat was a town at hearth.
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@James Rye or anybody that received Psy from Sakura wait for @Copy Panda Panda to claim to reveal, @Copy Panda claim in your first post.
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Nat is convinced Panda is mafia but not James, it in the interest of TP to lynch mafia to survive and she voted Panda over James before she was exposed by Sam, I think it safe to assume the gift was something a mafia woudnt reveal.

Not gonna rush voting him since there is more info to be discussed, but right now I'm very tempted to, I'm done for today, be back in 8 hours.
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Possibly, but we might be looking at a situation with two blockers?
Rookie?
 
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