Games Mafia Game 108 - Mob Psycho 100 (75%)

[Crescent Jinx]

This is on discord but will put here too.

 

[Farfalla]

@Farfalla need your honest opinion. What is more worth it?

1. Me staying alive hoping to tank a nightkill at some point, worst case be a liability endgame when I‘m lynched.
2. Get lynched now and use my kill on either Brandish or Holt?

I keep resisting death by lynch by any means thinking this is the right play, never let yourself be lynched because you know for yourself you‘re town, this stuff. But I‘m starting to doubt whether this really is for the best.

Just that it‘s quite late at this point to soften a mislynch and I should‘ve probably taken the L Day 2 instead of Kato, but I wanted to curse more people. So the question is basically whether getting rid of me here and still getting Brandish or Holt is more helpful than me eventually getting mislynched when it‘s too late to Banshee kill?

Uhhh? That would only matter to me if I wasn't leaning toward Holt being scum. I didn't vote yet but so far I'm not against this lynch.
With these game records, and at least 4 other scums (no way we have less) to find among 10, why would a townie even ask that? @.@

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Tfw when I'm catching up and when I post what I get in my screen is Jammin wearing Baka '_'

 

[GrySun]

Just your logic for who you were focusing on and why. Given the impracticality of reading 80 pages (Though I'm in the middle of a snow storm where i live so that's not impossible) I will likely be asking a lot of players similar questions. Figured I'd start with you since, knowing how into these games you get, I figured you'd have the most thoughts.

When you say the late Dr. Evil was being annoying what do you mean exactly? Evasive? Deceptive? Coy?

Annoying as in, he was tunnel-visioning on me, and it really started to seem off and like his mafia self at some point in D2, so expecting he‘ll lynch me soon I‘d take him with me.

The game you joined is a mess, we haven‘t lynched correctly a single time, the only dead mafia was killed by another mafia team, and my thoughts on most people are filled with doubts. So am probably not the best one to ask for a clear analysis, nor am I anywhere close to being trusted. Your predecessor especially wasn‘t fond of me.

I can make you a post summarizing as many thoughts and facts that happened this game, at least both what‘s relevant and what I think, if you want it.

But for now, Marm is the only real player everyone thinks is town and is likely confirmed, with strong support for Farf and Erin being town by most. You yourself are generally trusted by most as well but your approval is on the decrease due to getting blocked and some odd circumstances surrounding it.

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Uhhh? That would only matter to me if I wasn't leaning toward Holt being scum. I didn't vote yet but so far I'm not against this lynch.
With these game records, and at least 4 other scums (no way we have less) to find among 10, why would a townie even ask that? @.@

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Tfw when I'm catching up and when I post what I get in my screen is Jammin wearing Baka '_'

It‘s in the post. Avoids a mislynch at a potentially worse endgame where I couldn‘t even use the Banshee kill since the game ends.

 

[Farfalla]

Jamz is how I picture a kid of Zimb with Gryff would be *hype*

It‘s in the post. Avoids a mislynch at a potentially worse endgame where I couldn‘t even use the Banshee kill since the game ends.

Idk, we have 6h ahead. I still wanna wait on Kat's reply to comment about the blocks and all.
Unless you're very against Holt's lynch if nothing changes, I don't see why to ask still. The result would be you'd kill him 50% chance anyways. Unless you also feel more strongly about Bran. Overall looks like bad math at a bad time.

 

[Jammin]

Tfw when I'm catching up and when I post what I get in my screen is Jammin wearing Baka '_'

I prefer to consider myself a proud member of team Baka who is wearing the team colors, with a slightly questionable sense of timing. But who makes up for it with enthusiasm.

If you have any thoughts you want to put out there for team Baka, I'd love to hear them

Annoying as in, he was tunnel-visioning on me, and it really started to seem off and like his mafia self at some point in D2, so expecting he‘ll lynch me soon I‘d take him with me.

The game you joined is a mess, we haven‘t lynched correctly a single time, the only dead mafia was killed by another mafia team, and my thoughts on most people are filled with doubts. So am probably not the best one to ask for a clear analysis, nor am I anywhere close to being trusted. Your predecessor especially wasn‘t fond of me.

I can make you a post summarizing as many thoughts and facts that happened this game, at least both what‘s relevant and what I think, if you want it.

But for now, Marm is the only real player everyone thinks is town and is likely confirmed, with strong support for Farf and Erin being town by most. You yourself are generally trusted by most as well but your approval is on the decrease due to getting blocked and some odd circumstances surrounding it.

Every Mafia game is a mess. Part of the experience. And I'd love a summary of what you think is relevant. The more information I get the better.

 

[GrySun]

@Jammin could you tell me what your predecessor did over the last 3 nights? Which nights did she use her role and on who?

 

[Holt]

Holt I‘d like your thoughts on Brandish, GB and Raven.

Raven and GB haven't provided anything. Both viable for lynches. Dunno about Brandish is in the same bracket, just based off past games I'd like to think there's a reason he's withholding but at this point, can't fathom what that could be. Out of those 3, I feel most confident about GB.

 

[GrySun]

Idk, we have 6h ahead. I still wanna wait on Kat's reply to comment about the blocks and all.
Unless you're very against Holt's lynch if nothing changes, I don't see why to ask still. The result would be you'd kill him 50% chance anyways. Unless you also feel more strongly about Bran. Overall looks like bad math at a bad time.

Not very, but many of the things not making sense about his role claim are cleared up somewhat. Wojak said he blocked him so both him surviving PGO(even if James didn't trigger it) and him not learning the role fit.

What I have against him is not knowing how his role works and not using it N1, as well as his post to me last day that sounded like mafia Holt.

What speaks for him is early Apprentice claim with confidence and actions aligning(getting blocked by Wojak).

He could be scum, but I'm all out of confidence on any lynch at this point. While I think Raven and GB(and to some extend Brandish) are mafia too due to playstyle there is reasonable doubt on any of them to make me flinch.

 

[Jammin]

@Jammin could you tell me what your predecessor did over the last 3 nights? Which nights did she use her role and on who?

Nothing N1. As you would expect tried to verify you on N2 & N3 with spy and detective got blocked both times. Somebody really didn't want her to do anything,

 

[GrySun]

@Jammin just gonna state mostly facts

Currently alive players: 12

N1 -> 1 player died to a Mafia Janitor. Later revealed to have been a Mafia Doctor.
N2 -> 3 players died. One likely killed himself, the other 2 dead confirms existence of 2 mafia parties(if the above didn't already, since Mafia Doctor and Janitor were not in the same team).
N3 -> 0 players died. At first incriminated players that claimed to have been blocked, but a Hider tanking kills is another likely option, as is Traitor recruitment.

Marmalade
- Healthy Townie. Role made sense, she played very accordingly to her role, her hint before claiming fit well. Can at any point be confirmed by sending the PGO of the mechanic on her, because her role neutralizes it. Additionally, Brandish vouches for her being town.

Farfalla
- Vengeful Townie with Hider secondary. 1-time use temporary secondary roles are not really a thing, but given that she shared this on her own without being called on it or discovered by an investigative role makes it sound legitimate. Hosts have hinted at making some secret change to rules and this is likely it. Her Hider used on N3 could explain the lack of N3 kills, making her being town even more likely.

Erinyes
- Spirit Medium with Investigator secondary. Same situation as Farf, shared her odd secondary voluntarily, and sounded trustworthy to most players due to wordings in posts. Her hints also fit well with her later reveals.

GB
- Kinda in the backseat this game and playing it pretty safe overall. Not claiming a role.

Kat
- Claimed Spy. A post she did a day before her reveal sounded like she really had her result at the time, but could also be interpreted differently. N1 found that DD either lied about his target or she is Paranoid Spy(latter atm more likely). N2 no result from GB and he confirmed that he did no action on N2. N3 she was blocked.

You
- Most major things against you are some weird wordings in posts(calling Escort a Prostitute), a hint that doesn't particularly fit Necro that well(subjective tho), as well as being blocked two nights in a row(easy to lie about). But the role makes sense in the lineup, and was somewhat confidently claimed pretty early.

Brandish
- Not claiming a role, but claimed having secondary Sickly Townie role. Has not used it any night until the latest one, which let him confirm that Marm is Healthy Townie. So whether he is truly Sickly is not known yet, and it not defining his alignment regardless since mafia can be Sickly too.

Wojak
- Claimed Prostitute + Naive Traitor secondary role. Blocked Sam N1, you N2 and Holt N3.

Raven
- Not claiming a role. Same as GB playstyle-wise to some extent.

DD
- First player to claim Apprentice, on D2. N1 targeted a player that died, N2 and N3 targeted Erin and became her Spirit Medium role.

Holt
- Second player to claim Apprentice, also on D2. N1 didn't target anyone, N2 and N3 targetted Wojak but did not learn anything. Fits with Wojak blocking him. However he made some careless plays such as targeting Wojak while he had PGO, normally would have killed him.

Gry
- Better ask someone else.

We are looking at possibly 5 mafias remaining, so simply by process of elimination a lot of these have to be lying.

Holt is currently very voted due to his actions seeming odd and not fitting with PGO/block status, as we have 3 players blocked on the same night with him, Kat and you. But after a lot of these votes Wojak did say he blocked Holt making his story more believable, so all that's left to suspect him on is rather sloppy play of his and some words and posts that don't make much sense(not knowing how his role works, not using role N1).

 

[Erinyes]

If Erin was really faking it and is a mafia revealing Demon’s dead role for cred I‘d be amazed and put Erin on S-tier and vote her in best mafia award. I don‘t think anyone of us would come up with such a plan, not even Vandred.

, you can still vote for me, I will gladly accept the bloody award

@baka@jammin i didnt say mafia det but Mafia doc for demon


Whats happening btw lol. Hosts right now :

 

[Farfalla]

If you have any thoughts you want to put out there for team Baka, I'd love to hear them

Here, Jamz, from yday, but should review it a bit for you later if I get the chance:

Following the players list order:

Gry: kinda shared my points on him yday alrdy - even tho he complained in D1 I was subtly setting suspicion on him, as if pointing issues with others is not how this game is played, in the end he just does the same - disguise those complaints into suspicion on me, I just don't know if the intent is malicious, I'm usually more enerved when I feel that's the case. Suspecting is fine, the dynamic is odd. As I've mentioned alrdy as well, some stuff like wanting to get rid of PGO in N3 and going back on what he said about Shijima also didn't sit well with me, cause it goes a bit past the personal style divergence that we have, imo. Neutral about him cause we still seem to share most suspects and cause of what I also said before, better to have him around than not if it's just subjective stuff. Don't think he should be lynched now or should have been in the days before, but don't think he shouldn't be questioned either, especially after some hours ago.

GB: I still don't like his playstyle, this seemly engaged Misho is his scum self to me, can't remember a town game where he wasn't trollish (not saying he trolls the whole game but still he's more erratic and follow his own agenda, plus he's adamant about the ones he considers to be scum, I think he ain't being as categoric on those this time), but feel free to point me to games where that wasn't the case. His hint doesn't fit detective (he said it himself he ain't one), prostitute, anything that came to my mind that could be an important role he'd protect so he could be just insecure about claiming a repeated role or something. Overall I'm not liking people holding back to their roles still even if they wanna protect it, we lost a doc and the BG but we still have some resources, I'd prefer if the silent ones were way fewer based for more specific cases.

Kat: I didn't like her behavior in the start, felt like she was taking a ride on some matters, and I expected her to have shared her results on DD the day before like she said she would since they were conflicting. Those are subjective tho, and considering that even if she's a legit paranoid spy the role still has some use, I wouldn't rush to lynch her and would favor protecting her alongside with some others.

Baka: people have had issues with her hinting which I can totally understand, but on the other hand the discussion about suspecting her over how she communicates stuff isn't something new. Been saying this for some time now, lynching a possible Necro would never be a priority to me unless there's concrete stuff to add to those debates. Meanwhile, I'd also say she should be considered for protection.

Shijima: won't keep echoing my own words... funny that Demon, possibly mafia, argued with me that we shouldn't give a pass to Shijima tho, but considering the amount of scums we're missing and how inconsistently fake that post was (rly couldn't see a different interpretation to it), I rly think he's our best lynch option by miles and I'll rly insist that the way people position themselves about this should be something people would discuss later on.

Bran: still think he's a bit disengaged. Yes, he's a very particular player that likes to have things his own way but imo he's also more participative and open minded when he's town. Also, for 2 days he repeated the "I'll tunnel on Gry-Evil" mantra, based on his theory that one of the combos started with a scum, and now that Evil died as town, she dropped the speech and moved to a new route. I missed the part of what caused that change for him... Finally, as I wrote in that sheet, he said he'd pay me a visit when I was PGO, to test it, so if he claims something that ain't active, I'd lynch him.

Wojak: with the notion that Evil died by accidentally killing James, I was starting to feel a bit better about him, considering a mafia of 5 members +other hidden stuff in game would make sense. Then Gry point out the bit in James post that actually makes sense regarding his possible death so considering 2 mafia parties is back to the table, then a team of 5 is quite unlikely to me. In one hand I still think his naive traitor plan was quite elaborate and knowledgeable for someone that just joined and had a single phase to come up with that, on the other hand he seems to be collaborative so far. In between neutral and scum again also based on the amount of non towns we still gotta find, so elim. process.

Erin: leaning towards town cause of her playstyle (she's been kinda MIA but claims it's cause of work but when she's around I see more of her fierce town self than her insecure scum one) and cause her second investigator claim is aligned with my own role situation. There's this scenario where a scum would have a temp. janitor role since we didn't get a janitor kill in N2, wonder if she'd risk claiming to have found Demon's role if that was the case tho.

Raven: she's as stubborn when she's town as well, I'll give you that, and the shy behaviour from the start is gone now but it was still there before, imo. Another annoying case of holding back stuff and with that causing more harm than not in my opinion again, just like I said about Misho and Shijima. One thing that speaks on her favor is that she was willing to lynch Gry the day before and now, with the same reasoning, she's willing to aid him. Could still be some TP, I'll consider her as scum for now based on those and again on the elim. process.

Marm: she's maybe my fav player this day phase, has a role we can confirm and that is fully aligned with her early hint, I see no reasons to suspect her.

DD: what speaks against DD is the double claim and the debate on his N1 target, but I still had an initial good impression on him for being the one to point out the lack of hints issue. So far I consider him to be town and I'll get to the other reason for that bellow.

Holt: legit didn't like the things I questioned him about yday (before I slept) nor how he first said he was fine with Shijima to then right after vote for him and say he wasn't disregarding the "play" problem. Also, his N1 "no target" decision... that's not how I'd play apprentice... I find it weird that someone would skip a night with it. I'd go for what could be a good role in N1 and if by chance I was insecure about proceeding with it later, I'd just change my target. I'm losing nothing with that that I'm alrdy not losing if I don't target. I could even go back to that track later on if I'd feel better about it, which would totally pay off. So yeah I also don't like that N1 claim. Subjective stuff, like Gry I also rather have him around and he rly excels in later stages, but right now I'm wondering if could be a Rookie.

Had to speed finish those, couldn't proofread, prolly left some things I thought about writing at first out, and could go back to it before the phase ends, but got a meeting in 5 and the rest of this phase will be complicated for me +Hardy travels at night and I'll be working and handling Oli and mom alone from then on. Hope those can be helpful and correct, and wtv happens happens for me then.

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Ah my day is so shitty timewise today to work on lengthy stuff... awful ending time for me... But I'll rly try to update that later and if I don't get the replies I'm waiting for, I'll write on my top suspects anyways.
Yday I used the deathflag I got in here to try to bait a bit and use the Hider, even after the Shijima fiasco when I thought mafia would go for someone else with an important role so I'd get lynched, but decided not to wait with my secondary in case they'd fear my primary... Now I think I'll bite the dust next lmao.
No hiding, no PGO, 1 Doc usage, possible block - later 2 if we trust people. So imo a wojak and Jambaka lynch should be off the table.
To think that 2 killing parties turned out to be better for us right now than a single one, since odds of killing each other increased... With the lack of deaths in N1 and 3, we could even be something ugly like 6 townies vs 6 scums right now (tho 7 scums in a game would be too broken)... If we manage to mislynch we might rly have to rely on antagonist scums luck sigh

 

[Kat]

Oh Who-god this will take a while, isn't it. I will try to make it quick, but there is a ton to read. Whoville was really active today.

did you get a host pm or nothing ?

I got no PM at all.

Ah and note that Baka said she used spy and got no pm.

I lemme check something: @Kat how was it your confirmation that you had no result - no PM or a PM saying no result?

Wait, so how does it work? If you are blocked you don't get a PM at all? And if you are not blocked you get a pm saying something no result? Does that mean I got blocked N2 and N3 as well?

(still reading)

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so holt claims blocked since he didn't learn anything
kat claims blocked
I claim blocked.


Now, unless there's a town prostitute who blocked 1 of the 2 and I got blocked by escort, they're both lying, or at least 1 is if a town prostitute comes out and confirms they blocked either kat or holt.

3 blockers? 1 Prostitute and 2 Escorts? Or maybe somebody has a temporary prostitute/escort?

 

[GrySun]

I will placeholder !votekill GB for now so I don‘t forget to vote.

 

[Erinyes]

I got no PM at all.

Oh no , so you re lying ?


Impossible you get a PM in both cases
for spy

Your target targeted PlayerX.

-or-
if Spy was blocked or his target did nothing that Night

Your investigation ended with no results.

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oh maybe paranoid spy, wait im not sure @GrySun @Farfalla does paranoid spy receive a result in all cases ?

 

[Kat]

Maybe the mafia recruited a TRAITOR?

That is a possibility. Who do we think they would target? I excepted Farf-who to be the target since she no longer had PGO, since she claimed to have used hider I assume that would explain the no kill situation (at least for one party if there are multiple parties which there must be IMO). UNLESS she did get recruited and claimed to have temporary hider since no one else was claiming it but that would be risky so I don't think it's the case.

Other than Farf-who, who else would be the target? Maybe one of the non-claimers?

Yes I did, which is why I theorized yesterday that Evil might've died trying to protect Wojak. Otherwise, I'd be dead myself.

You may have said it already, but why on earth would you risk that?

See so many quotes with repeated questions so I'm just going to answer all of them at once and be done with it

1- Why no N1 target: I literally had no read on anyone, and I simply didn't want to random target. For me that is as pointless as switching the following day. I don't disagree with those saying no harm in N1 targeting tho, but for me if I randomly picked someone on N1, the chances of me repicking them N2 is slim. So I'd rather not. I also didn't follow well enough on N1 to even begin to consider who is trustworthy or has a good role.

Holt-who but that makes no sense. You would prefer targeting literally anyone in case they revealed a good role the next day which would mean you would be only one night away from learning that role.

 

[Marmalade]

I've been paranoid spy before, they don't always get a result.
Only when the person they targeted does an action, but the result is randomized. Otherwise it's the same no-result thing I believe.

No pm at all means blocked I think.

 

[Kat]

I don't know what makes people think claiming blocked is a good idea today. If anyone was blocked high chance that person would be a mafia...because with no deaths, it strongly indicates mafia got blocked.

That is true, so it is likely one of the three of us (Kat, Baka, Holt) would be the killer. Obviously I myself know it wasn't me and if Baka was also blocked the night before with 3 kills, I would assume Holt is the most likely. BUT it doesn't necessarily have to be. I already said a few variables in my first post of the day: Poisoner, recruit, even Farf-who hider, maybe one of the non-claimers is BP like there are many options that would explain no kill today.

So, I guess it is a good time to make a big reveal and make myself a mafia target in the process.

But hey, that's going to clear up some confusion.

So, I am the town prostitute.

Night 1, I targeted and blocked Sam. He did claim getting blocked and this is how I know I was able to use my role. He was a town

Night 2, I targeted Baka. And she also said she was blocked. And I confirm this. Therefore I am pretty sure she is a town. So I passed her the pgo.

Night 3, I targeted Holt. And he also claimed he was blocked. I still think he is a mafia because there was no kill and I like to think that I blocked a mafia from killing. But if he managed to learn from me in night2 then he might learn my role if given another night. That being said, with the information we have I don't think we can trust him. Sure he was blocked...but if he was the janitor then it is him being blocked that stopped a kill. And being the killer himself, he would certainly know that he was blocked. So, it is kind of easy for him to claim that.


With this I have basically said every info I had. And after this I don't think I will last long. If anyone has any question about my revelation, I would happily answer them.

Okay so as far as I know only Baka and I claimed to be blocked N2. However, there is 3 claiming blocked N3 which would support my secondary prostitute/escort theory.

 

[Erinyes]

No pm at all means blocked I think.

no sane spy gets a result even when he's blocked. he gets this :

" Your investigation ended with no results. "

Well bran was spy last game I sent some of the pms and im 100% confident about it, sane spy always receives a pm.

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Unrelated, I got some chocolates ,sweets from kids and their parents , so yeah fels good <3

 

[Marmalade]

Ah really? Do all hosts do this, or is this variable per host? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong though, gonna look it up

no sane spy gets a result even when he's blocked. he gets this :

" Your investigation ended with no results. "

Well bran was spy last game I sent some of the pms and im 100% confident about it, sane spy always receives a pm.

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Unrelated, I got some chocolates ,sweets from kids and their parents , so yeah fels good <3

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Aawwh, aren't you lucky btw <3 well deserved! Good job kids~

 

[Erinyes]

Ah really? Do all hosts do this, or is this variable per host? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong though, gonna look it up

Im not certain for paranoid, for sane spy it s in the rules, its the pm format to send for a blocked spy.