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Yo hunter amigos & amigas, I said in another thread that I'm making a timeline for the succession war. Here is a "sample" showing the 1st day of the trip's main events:

I would love to have your opinion in general, especially on the format and on readability (whether it is easy to read or not).
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I might add instructions on how to read it, but first I want to test if I can do without.
That is really cool. I found it almost a little absurd how stressful kurapika's first day was lol (and it didnt really get better day 2). I'd pass out after that, too.
 

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So.. what's happening? Has Togashi entered his HibernatexHiatusxVasnishing mode where we will get no news and keep guessing for a long time (could be years)? At least a hope is that he has new assistants which are more engaged with the fans, the hope is that the updates will come from them.
Goddamn, it’s only been two weeks lol.
 

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I'm dying of laughter at how some people believed that this PROMOTIONAL VIDEO was going to be a real animation of the fight between the two.

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I'm pretty calm when Togashi comes back. I am very hopeful that he and Jump will come to an agreement and try to make the best way to try to publish the chapters going forward.
 

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Yo hunter amigos & amigas, I said in another thread that I'm making a timeline for the succession war. Here is a "sample" showing the 1st day of the trip's main events:

I would love to have your opinion in general, especially on the format and on readability (whether it is easy to read or not).
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I might add instructions on how to read it, but first I want to test if I can do without.
Looks great.

Small suggestions:

- Changing the title format to: Day 1 (Sunday)
- Using the official translation for names (e.g., Sevanti, Babimyna).
- A few grammar points (e.g., capitalizing "Whale", removing "a" before "public").
 

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That is really cool. I found it almost a little absurd how stressful kurapika's first day was lol (and it didnt really get better day 2). I'd pass out after that, too.
Yeah lol, and starting from the second day he had to deal with the nen class + the murders...
Looks great.

Small suggestions:

- Changing the title format to: Day 1 (Sunday)
- Using the official translation for names (e.g., Sevanti, Babimyna).
- A few grammar points (e.g., capitalizing "Whale", removing "a" before "public").
Thanks! I will publish the finalized version in a few days with these suggestions administered.
 

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I am convinced by now Togashi knew about the DC when he started writing the Manga. It is just so organic how several maincharacters got connected to the DC.

Gon's journey is to find ging. Ging devoted his life to going to the dark continent. On his travel, gon and kil encounter the ants, a species from the DC and witness the death of netero, who stopped Beyond from going there again.
Killua's journey ended (for now) with alluka, a being (Ai at least) from the dark continent. His anchestor went to the dark continent too (just like Don Freeks) Kurapika came into contact (probably) with an ancient book by Don Freeks about the Dark Continent. His Clan might have been killed for that.
Leorio's connection to it is weaker (he will go there), but gon, kil and kurapika had actual plotlines in the first half (unlike leorio) and all of their plotlines are inevitably leading to the dark continent

And there are signs togashi planned for that back then. At least we know he always intended to have a secret about alluka (naming) He must have known something about ging's Intentions. He also must have known about the Intentions of the spider. He wanted to do their backstory as early as yorkshin and he deliberately made it a mystery why exactly they killed the kurta (he gave the reason with the eyes, but he put that into question by uvo not remembering it)

Alluka is probably the biggest Clue here. He could have had another reason to keep her secret back then, but clearly, he knew he planned s th with her. it might have just been that alluka was forced to stay home to give killua a reason to confront his family. But then: Why would the zoldyeks do that? He must have known some reason for them to do it.

At least to me, it felt very organic to have these characters be connected to the DC. Its hard for me to imagine this being a retcon of their story. With OP, i do badmouth how they gave Sanji a new backstory.It felt like an excuse to have sanji do something new. Many people think the same way about killua's needle plot and Alluka. And possibly Togashi did not plan that out at first and came up with the needle later.

But it cannot be argued that it was organical for Killua's character journey to pull out the needle exactly when he did and confront his family exactly when he did. The fact that it played out along gon's journey so perfectly is no coincidence. So i tend to doubt it is coincidence that the connection of many maincharacters to the dark continent pop up so easily over the course of the last 60 chapters that it seems like it was always there. Its not hard to just write "yo i have an anchestor called Don". But for this to really work well, it helped a lot that we had the kurapika flashback about the book and ging present some info about these books. And for us to know about the DC, it helped that ging could talk about the ants being aliens. These things were there, they just needed to be connected
 

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So, I will just put it here after rereading my notes:

What caught me REALLY hard was Nobunaga's prophesy. It refers to the Chrysanthemum withing to fall beside Bloody scarlet eyes... which feels more like mutual death for Kuropika and the spiders in question...

Also, Chrollo, when asked directly about the massacre of the Kurta, merely says, coolly, "I sympathize with you." He is, at least in the anime, asked directly if he was responsible, and he refuses the answer the question, he merely gives a response. I'm actually thinking the entire process was far less simple as we've been told. Perhaps there WAS an altercation during the time Kuropika was gone, which ended in multiple people going for the eyes and the spiders were either the winners or were just the only ones there to capitalize. It seems like they HAVE to have been responsible though, given Uvo talking about Chrollo wanting the eyes... and the Spiders are so ruthless. Still, it seems odd Chrollo directly said he sympathized, and now that we've seen his backstory, it is hard to tell now whether he literally took the lives of the Kurta for the eyes, or just took the eyes. Uvo blatantly not remembering exactly seems suspicious now, but only slightly.

*Shrugs*. I just hope we get the actual events when the inevitable catastrophic encounters and reunions take place. Likely in Tserriednick's room...
 

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This guy keeps posting the same thing over and over. Guess he needs the clicks.
 

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Chimera Ants: Threat level B

Dark Continent: Threat level A

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One thing that is consistent about the HxH world is that characters do not take moral stances at all. They do have varying moralities (It is a problem for gon to kill someone in cold blood, it is much less of a problem for killua), but it is insanely rare for hxh characters to go "This is amoral and you should not do it". One of the very few characters who actually does that is Oito. Oito wants to save Momoze even tho that makes her own death (and woble's) more likely and she calls Kurapika out for thinking differently. And I think Kurapika likes that a lot.

Even when thinking about it, it is hard to come up with more examples. There are displays of comradeship and saving your friends and loyalty and stuff, but that is not the same. These are personal stances, like gon/biscuit/killua saving Genthru. But Gon would not call someone out for not doing that. Gon does call out the spider for being hypocrites, but that is also not really a moral stance. He is mad at them for judging kurapika when they are murderers themselves. That is more Gon protecting his friend. if anything, gon's POV here is that people shouldnt judge others if they do something themselves. But that is not the same as "killing is wrong" or anything like that. Gon does not have much of a problem with hisoka, because hisoka doesnt mind when others come for his throat. Almost all HxH characters accept the amorality around them as normal. Leorio is half an exception. He does have some moral viewpoints (he dedicates his life to saving other people), but his moral is a little whimsical because he has many flaws. But he could turn out to have a strong moral stance in the future. But aside from Oito and maybe Leorio, really, i cannot see anyone else whose moral goes beyond their own stance and extends to the world around them. At all

And that is not just a normal shonen manga thing. In OP or Naruto, you see lots of characters holding speeches about this or that being morally wrong. And they often take active part in stopping that from happening. Moral discussions are quite common in shonen manga. Deathnote had moral questions, for example. Neverland too (ray's way or emma's way). Of course manga like dragonball are not deep about that, but Goku still would call out injustice around him we he sees it. Gon might do that, too, but he hardly goes out of his way to do it. In general, the world of HxH lives by "anything goes" and hardly ever judges to a larger extent than "i dont like that", unless it is a personal issue for them.

Oito is the first character to raise a moral point strongly and against her own interest and I think that is notable. She is the first character to fight against the deep cynicism in the HxH world and she meets Kurapika at a point where he thinks of himself as a monster. I think Kurapika is the one other character who REALLY wants to be moral but thinks he is not allowed to be. Gon didnt like to kill the ants, but after he did it, he was fine with it. Kurapika, after killing Uvogin, was broken inside and had a strong physical reaction. Kurapika also judged Leorio for just wanting money and really liked that leorio wanted to help others. But Kurapika would still kill melody in cold blood for his mission. I think him meeting Oito and Oito being the first outspoken moral characters in the series is important to see
 

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Greetings everyone!
I've been a silent reader for quite a while and now just felt like joining the conversation 😁

Kurapika, after killing Uvogin, was broken inside and had a strong physical reaction. Kurapika also judged Leorio for just wanting money and really liked that leorio wanted to help others. But Kurapika would still kill melody in cold blood for his mission.
Why do you assume that?
In chapter 117 he clearly thinks: "I must get those two [Gon and Killua] back...!! That's my top priority! I don't want to lose any other [thinking of Pairo]... Never again!!"
If his mission was more important to him he would have just killed Chrollo without thinking of Gon's and Killua's safety.
He already felt disgusted of himself killing Uvo - I'd even go that far to say Paku's death wasn't really intended. He also mentioned he got all the eyes back so far without killing so I guess those two were actually the only ones that died by his hands and since he didn't even go after Chrollo when he was completely defenceless I think Kurapika decided not to kill anyone any more - and not even in his biggest rage he'd go against a friend 🤨
(Although I guess entering Tserri's room might change his mind about not killing any more)
 

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Greetings everyone!
I've been a silent reader for quite a while and now just felt like joining the conversation 😁



Why do you assume that?
In chapter 117 he clearly thinks: "I must get those two [Gon and Killua] back...!! That's my top priority! I don't want to lose any other [thinking of Pairo]... Never again!!"
If his mission was more important to him he would have just killed Chrollo without thinking of Gon's and Killua's safety.
He already felt disgusted of himself killing Uvo - I'd even go that far to say Paku's death wasn't really intended. He also mentioned he got all the eyes back so far without killing so I guess those two were actually the only ones that died by his hands and since he didn't even go after Chrollo when he was completely defenceless I think Kurapika decided not to kill anyone any more - and not even in his biggest rage he'd go against a friend 🤨
(Although I guess entering Tserri's room might change his mind about not killing any more)
Kurapika being ready to kill melody if she exposes him is a fact. Melody said that, and her ability lets her be sure about that.

Kurapika does value his comradeship for gon and kil higher than revenge in that instance, that is true. He wants to be moral. But Kurapika also did not help Gon when Gon needed him, because he had other things to do (he didnt know what was up with gon, but he didnt take up even tho leorio called him and he was at his phone).
We do not know what kurapika has done to geet he eys, but he himself thinks of it as amoral and reprehensible. So much,in fact, that he questions whether he can be happy after getting the eyes. In any case, no matter how you slice it, Kurapika is relatively apathetic to the horrible things happening around him. He takes them as a fact he needs to work with.
Kurapika would not personally kill the fake spider in the trick tower in cold blood. But, unlike Oito, he also wouldnt help a girl being killed if it risks his mission. He only reserves that for people who are very close to him and even then he got more distant from them.
 

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I wouldn't say there is no morality. But you are allowed to become a Hunter and benefit from the privileges of the job even if you aren't a good person which is why someone like Hisoka wasn't stopped during the exam even though he is clearly evil.

Gon, Killua, Kurapika, Leorio are all good person. Just willing to do different things depending on the circumstances. Killua and Kurapika in particular are more antiheroic in general.

Greetings everyone!
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Why do you assume that?
In chapter 117 he clearly thinks: "I must get those two [Gon and Killua] back...!! That's my top priority! I don't want to lose any other [thinking of Pairo]... Never again!!"
If his mission was more important to him he would have just killed Chrollo without thinking of Gon's and Killua's safety.
He already felt disgusted of himself killing Uvo - I'd even go that far to say Paku's death wasn't really intended. He also mentioned he got all the eyes back so far without killing so I guess those two were actually the only ones that died by his hands and since he didn't even go after Chrollo when he was completely defenceless I think Kurapika decided not to kill anyone any more - and not even in his biggest rage he'd go against a friend 🤨
(Although I guess entering Tserri's room might change his mind about not killing any more)
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Honestly wonder why Shal was the only Spidersl to become a Hunter?
 

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I also would not say there is no morality, but our characters display different values. There are things that are good or wrong, or else they would not feel pain, guilt, or sadness. One particular character is Killua, who has been displayed as having no issue with killing but he rarely does so, even when the situation calls for it.

Melody, Morel, Knuckle, among others, always display "morality". Flexible? Yes, but morality nevertheless.
 

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I wouldn't say there is no morality. But you are allowed to become a Hunter and benefit from the privileges of the job even if you aren't a good person which is why someone like Hisoka wasn't stopped during the exam even though he is clearly evil.

Gon, Killua, Kurapika, Leorio are all good person. Just willing to do different things depending on the circumstances. Killua and Kurapika in particular are more antiheroic in general.
I also would not say there is no morality, but our characters display different values. There are things that are good or wrong, or else they would not feel pain, guilt, or sadness. One particular character is Killua, who has been displayed as having no issue with killing but he rarely does so, even when the situation calls for it.

Melody, Morel, Knuckle, among others, always display "morality". Flexible? Yes, but morality nevertheless.
Its not so much that they do not "have a moral compass". They do. But that usually does not extend to the world.
Killua not killing is more of a personal thing for him than him thinking that killing is wrong in general. He wants to be with gon and does not want to be a killer anymore, so he stops. That is a decision he takes and shows his value system, but that is not a moral stance.
The same is true for Gon. Gon likes to help people and does not like to kill in most situations, but that is not a moral stance, that is an intern value system that guides only his own actions. He has no general problem with someone like Hisoka, he just prefers peaceful conflict resolutions.

When Gon and killed saved Paku, that had nothing to do with them thinking killing her would be ethically wrong. But they didnt want Kurapika to go down that path, because they thought it would be bad for him.

These are actions that are governed by their own personal value system and by what they feel and want. There is no categorical nature behind it.
They would not call it out or care a lot of someone decides differently with people they do not know.

But Oito does. She does not have a lot to do with Momoze and she is afraid and she knows her speaking up means that she and woble might die. She still does, to save Momoze. And she judges Kurapika and Babamina for thinking differently. That is a moral stance. She thinks not doing what she did there is wrong and she says that.
That is not how gon and kil roll. They have their views on the world and their innate set of values and they might not like some actions of others, but they wouldnt call out a person they generally like for an action that has noting to do with them.
Everything Gon and Kil (and other chars) do is governed by a very egocentrical view on the world. Killua saves Ikalgo because he thinks Ikalgo is cool and his heart is swayed. Gon prefers to let Binolt of the hook because he is thankful for binolt "training" with them.
There is nothing wrong with doing that, but these are not moral stances, but they are preferences.
 

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Its not so much that they do not "have a moral compass". They do. But that usually does not extend to the world.
Killua not killing is more of a personal thing for him than him thinking that killing is wrong in general. He wants to be with gon and does not want to be a killer anymore, so he stops. That is a decision he takes and shows his value system, but that is not a moral stance.
The same is true for Gon. Gon likes to help people and does not like to kill in most situations, but that is not a moral stance, that is an intern value system that guides only his own actions. He has no general problem with someone like Hisoka, he just prefers peaceful conflict resolutions.

When Gon and killed saved Paku, that had nothing to do with them thinking killing her would be ethically wrong. But they didnt want Kurapika to go down that path, because they thought it would be bad for him.

These are actions that are governed by their own personal value system and by what they feel and want. There is no categorical nature behind it.
They would not call it out or care a lot of someone decides differently with people they do not know.

But Oito does. She does not have a lot to do with Momoze and she is afraid and she knows her speaking up means that she and woble might die. She still does, to save Momoze. And she judges Kurapika and Babamina for thinking differently. That is a moral stance. She thinks not doing what she did there is wrong and she says that.
That is not how gon and kil roll. They have their views on the world and their innate set of values and they might not like some actions of others, but they wouldnt call out a person they generally like for an action that has noting to do with them.
Everything Gon and Kil (and other chars) do is governed by a very egocentrical view on the world. Killua saves Ikalgo because he thinks Ikalgo is cool and his heart is swayed. Gon prefers to let Binolt of the hook because he is thankful for binolt "training" with them.
There is nothing wrong with doing that, but these are not moral stances, but they are preferences.
I feel hxh is pretty realistic by not letting it's characters have a black or white morality.
Oito is also not on a morally higher tier than others. She basically sold herself for fame and fortune - and now regrets it. You should also not underestimate the feelings that come along with motherhood - seeing another child getting killed does affect her of course and Momoze is even Woble's halfsister. Mito might have reacted the same (even tho she's not a mother by biology).
Furthermore helping Momoze would have ended for her either being locked up as a culprit for her death, being locked up for violating the rules to not enter the chamber or being killed too - there is nothing she could have done (neither her guards).

Speaking of her wanting to save Momoze is also not morally better for me than Gon jumping after a random sailor on the way to the exam. He risked his own life for a stranger and he probably didn't have to. Also in the same moment he was saved by Leorio and Kurapika who interupted their fight to help - I think none of them calculated to get benefits from that concerning the exam.

Melody's goal is to save the world from the sonata that killed her friend and cursed herself - she's not intending to get it to be transformed back to her true form if i remember right.

Chrollo as a child lived for values of equal access and participation - he did nothing for himself and still doesn't by sacrificing himself to keep the children of Meteor City safe. Of course the path he took is far from being morally right but at least he doesn't act for selfish reasons and tries to create a better world.

Sheila resisted joining the dark side because it's most likely contradicting her moral compass and she gave her dearest treasure away to thank others for saving her life.
There is definitely more to it but for what we know so far she has high moral standards.

Just a few examples why i personally wouldn't value Oito higher in that regard than others.

(Can you tell me in what chapter Melody is sure Kurapika would kill her? That wouldn't make any sense for me since he is capable of much but he's not Sasuke 😅)
 
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