Conditional Gray Fullbuster vs. Wendy Marvell

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

she did move when she cast the sky drill, and yes the dust was blown away.

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yet Gray could not stop Skullion with demon markings and Wendy did without DF, so Wendy > Gray even before her power up

Wendy did because her wind allowed her to.

Wind > Ash and Ash > Ice.

 

[WoWfan]

Wendy did because her wind allowed her to.

Wind > Ash and Ash > Ice.

yet he did not fight her when he could have, she even managed to fight off CouCou man who would be relative to the other normal DE while in a coocon.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

she was arleady away from the area when she cast the spell as she dashed during that moment

Yes, she first dashed but she finally land her hit and the page after didn't showed her moving; she was clearly still on the same place, especially with the dust surrounding her.

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yet he did not fight her when he could have, she even managed to fight off CouCou man who would be relative to the other normal DE while in a coocon.

He didn't wanted because they were outnumbered and because she was making him unable to use his ash against her and Natsu.

 

[WoWfan]

Yes, she first dashed but she finally land her hit and the page after didn't showed her moving; she was clearly still on the same place, especially with the dust surrounding her.

that was because she was recovering from dashing past the drill area, which was far away from where she finally stopped moving. it was being blown away from the area of contact.

That was after Kiria was defeated, not before which he sent Madmole to attack, that is the same as being weak to her, which means he has worse stats than what he appears to.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

that was because she was recovering from dashing past the drill area, which was far away from where she finally stopped moving. it was being blown away from the area of contact

Give me a panel showing it was far away.

 

[WoWfan]

Give me a panel showing it was far away.

since Lily was not near Haku where Sky Drill was present that would mean they are far apart form each other

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[LaGOAT]

she did move, the dust was blown away from the epicenter

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just because she had help landing a hit doesn't mean that Wendy is any weaker for it stats wise

I didn’t say that I’m saying her being stronger isn’t enough to beat gray especially 1v1.

 

[WoWfan]

I didn’t say that I’m saying her being stronger isn’t enough to beat gray especially 1v1.

until we see Gray take on someone of a DDK level, Wendy would hold the edge.

 

[LaGOAT]

until we see Gray take on someone of a DDK level, Wendy would hold the edge.

Wendy had help there if she was in 1v1 scenario he would have lost to haku. Her getting stronger isn’t enough to beat gray

 

[WoWfan]

Wendy had help there if she was in 1v1 scenario he would have lost to haku. Her getting stronger isn’t enough to beat gray

The help would not really lower the stats of Haku, It just gave Wendy the moment to strike because of his speed, Gray would not be able to accomplish said level of feats.

 

[Seven777]

And it was Irene who cast the spell anyway, not a bad match up as he had no air magic, he just did Not have the mind set on hurting Wendy but restraining her to win, his magic did work a couple times, it is a matter of Wendy consciously doing it, especially when he blitz her the first time, and when his plushies held her down. That’s the point, not in magic but in mindset. She is already more powerful since her magic was stronger than before. Lucy never beat capricorn in Tenrou, Gajeel did not show any feats against DDK level characters, and even was nervous around them, those circumstances being mainly mindset

Yes, exactly, which means Wendy didn't have to consciously do it.
Yes, exactly, a mindset that led him to restrain her to win. With a magic that Wendy can control and turn against him.
Yes, exactly, he had pretty much no win condition against Wendy. He won't allow himself to hurt her and the magic he would use to bind her is ineffective. There was pretty much nothing he could do, in most aspects it's actually worse than if a Fire Mage fought Natsu, at least they have some path to victory.
Lucy soloed Capricorn. Wasn't even high diff. Current Wendy is to current Gray, what Tenrou Lucy was to Tenrou Gray.

We don't know where Haku fell, you forget he was in mid air and was hit at an angel? You act like Sky Drill made a crater throughout the entire room lol. I already proved with visual showing she destroyed the ground. You have to prove where there was no structural damage shown throughout the entire room. Like I said you don't know where Haku landed after he was hit in mid air so it's up to you to prove there was no crater in the room. Bcs again we already saw the damage from Sky Drill on panel. Bcs the fight was over? Why would there be a note of it when no one is there but Lily and Wendy, both who give zero shit about the Labyrinth's structure? You act like they are gonna give a play by play every time something big happens. They literally glossed over a BDSK getting beat.

Neinheart was a S12 bcs of his magic power not his hax or strength. Literally all the S12 were given the title bcs they were all equal (except the top 2) in magic power. It had nothing to do with stats or hax so the point is moot. Loke was stronger than Gajeel for going toe to toe with 7kin while he got beat by people who legit stated they were fodder to them. Loke while not using Lucy's magic, still relied on Capricorn in that fight as well. Natsu only had a problem with Zancrow bcs Zancrow legit hard counter him. He had no trouble fighting against other 7kin and then went on to take Hades so his feats were still as good or better than Lucy's and Loke's in that arc. Can you show me a feat that puts Gray on the level of a BDSK who are admitted to be the top dogs of the guild by the person who fodderized Gray.

You are grasping at straws. You now shifted the argument to Tenrou Lucy bcs you have no argument against Wendy be portrayed at a high tier status. I don't want to hear this from a guy who thinks Gray > Wendy when Gray was almost put six feet under by a guy who is fodder to a BDSK and Gray has consistently been portrayed to be weaker than Skullion. It's nothing like that since Tenrou Natsu has feats on the level or better than Tenrou Lucy. Why you acting like Tenrou Lucy or Loke was some weakling during that era? She was no Laxus or Erza but she held her own numerous times against people who could hurt or beat up the like Gray and Gajeel lol. So again your point is moot. You have no actual proof to say Wendy is weak when it's been consistently portrayed that Wendy is a high tier level adversary lol. And again I have on panel feats as factual evidence and you have what? Oh your own speculation of events lol. Your own preconceived notion of Haku's PL that has no actual facts to support said notion. Nothing in the manga stated his stats were weak, and nothing in the manga stated hax was the reason he was a DG. Instead Haku boasted about his stats and hax users like Kiria and Wraith were still below the BDSK despite having hax that took out BDSK level opponents.

Legit nothing from the opposition to prove that Haku had weak stats except the fact they can't grasp Wendy is simply just that powerful now. Wendy can continue to best opponents that can hurt or take out the likes of Natsu, Laxus or Erza and still be put below the likes of Gray bcs you guys can't accept the facts presented in the manga.

No, on panel you showed a few stray rocks moving in a windy room. No note of the labyrinth being destroyed was made. And yes, the play by play is necessary. Because breaking the labyrinth is a big deal. A bigger deal than a black knight. You really think Mashima decided to wank Ignia with that specific feat, when the likes of Wendy did the same like a minute earlier?

The point isn't moot lol and it's absolutely hilarious that you'd even have the gall to say so. Nothing says the Black Knight stats were equal either and nothing says the S12 were equal in only magic power, both Brandish and Hyberion just say they're of equal strength. Face it. You spent years calling Neinharts dura trash, despite his status as a spriggan, literally from the moment Jellal beat him. You were talking about Dimaria oneshotting him WITHOUT Age Seal lmao. You were talking about how Neinhart while ENCHANTED and stated to be above Spriggan level, STILL has trash stats. But now that Haku's here, all of a sudden it's "But there's no statement that he's weaker in stats" lol, as though we need a statement for what's plainly obvious. Because I'm going to let you in on a little secret, getting two shot by Natsu>>>>>>Getting two shot by Wendy, literally any day. Haku is a worse Neinhart than Neinhart and we both know it.

Loke stronger than Gajeel? The guy who fought Natsu extreme diff? The guy who helped defeat Laxus? The guy who was fighting and tanking shit from Dorma Anim? Are you retarded? Aquarius, Loke's match, was so weak that Freed took pity on her, Lucy and Cana. Gajeel mid diffs Lucy at most.
Wendy has never been portrayed above Gray. She's never been portrayed as a high level fighter. She almost always fights as a support for someone stronger and when she doesn't she usually gets trashed. Her feats are good, I'll admit that, she's the personification of a Deus Ex Machina. But her portrayal is that of Team Natsu's two weakest members, always. She would never even think to challenge someone like Gray, let alone Laxus or Natsu.
The argument has shifted because it's an excellent comparison. Wendy beat Haku with circumstances overwhelmingly in her favor, just like Lucy beat Capricorn with circumstances in hers. Doesn't make either anywhere near the top of Team Natsu.

As for Gray's feats? Fair, he's done precious little in this new manga. Although there's him fighting END and smashing Invel, but they're preskip, and Fairy Tail have clearly gotten massively stronger since Alvarez. There's also Snow Lady soloing Gray and Natsu, a better feat than anything Skullion or Haku has, Gray beat her, so there's that. But sure, we'll ignore her because who cares about Selene's Lieutenants. But even with the little Gray has done, I'm still going to claim he's stronger than Wendy, because that's how he's portrayed. And because Wendy without Plushie immunity against a serious Haku would get destroyed.

Sure, just like legit nothing can prove Neinhart wasn't the strongest spriggan in stats, after being outrighted stated too overwhelmingly powerful for Brandish. Neinhart takes down Mountain Brandish with a punch

 

[WoWfan]

if she doesn’t have to then she is not immune to the hax, Haku stated that he was not holding back, simple as, yet she didn’, it was Irene, Wendy did not consciously do it, he did via force as Wendy could not overcome number, it was affective, it was just that a third party hijacked his magic, he was literally going to win until Irene, again, slayer aspect is not relatable here since there was none and slayer advance is passive and doesn’ require conscious action, but Wendy’s enchantments do, Lucy never fought Capricorn, it was Loke that did that, Current Wendy is to Current Gray what Aria is to Phantom Erza.

 

[Ramen]

Going with Wendy here. Her feats far surpass Grays at this point and her becoming a master enchanter is just an added advantage.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Going with Wendy here. Her feats far surpass Grays at this point and her becoming a master enchanter is just an added advantage.

she became a high enchanter, not a master enchanter

anyways gray stomps

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how did wendy get 9 votes

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

she became a high enchanter, not a master enchanter

anyways gray stomps

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how did wendy get 9 votes

Because she's overrated asf

 

[Vex_Haid]

Because she's overrated asf

indeed

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Gray no-diffs with pickled plums

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while Invel > DeS Gray

I reread Gray vs Invel and the only thing Invel did is overpowering Base Gray who was using regular Ice-Make spells + tanking a DeS magic attack from Devil Slayer Gray and then using Ice Lock on DeS Gray and Juvia, before getting demolished by Enraged Base Gray who used DeS spells. So this hardly proves Invel's superiority over Gray in his regular Devil Slayer Mode, who would probably stomp his Base counterpart as well. Even if he was > DeS Gray in X792, he's probably not above X793 DeS Gray though.

 

[Vex_Haid]

I changed my mind

Wendy no diffs

 

[Darklord#10]

Wendy no diffs. Eileen said the whole haku's fight was all Wendy's power. Wendy is like a mix of natsu and Eileen. Her potential is huge she's better than natsu was at this age. She also beat haku. Wendy is definitely among the strongest in the guild right now, only four Characters are stronger than Loli-chan.

 

[FireIce]

Wendy no diffs. Eileen said the whole haku's fight was all Wendy's power. Wendy is like a mix of natsu and Eileen. Her potential is huge she's better than natsu was at this age. She also beat haku. Wendy is definitely among the strongest in the guild right now, only four Characters are stronger than Loli-chan.

Can I know how she "no-diffs" him? Because Wendy has never no diffed anyone in a fight lol.