Tower of God Chapter 563 Spoilers & Discussion

[Big-Bird]

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@Demonspeed veuillez épingler

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Two? Are you confusing her with Enne? Assuming there is no twist, Traumerei and Laura are the LPB Twins's parents.

Do you think S.Snake is confused?

 

[kkck]

Baam has Karaka Yama and White Loyal to him

He earned the respect of Sophia and Khel

Luslec is a fanboy

HG is firmly loyal to him

He lead an attack on the Royals that resulted in 2 and a half squadrons destroyed, multiple branch head HRs dead. Defection of a Squad Commander, a Princess and a FH humiliated

I'd say he's in good graces of FUG

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I want Baam to marry Enne. I think it would make the most political sense and they'd be the most similar, but Yuri would be a great wife

White as in vicente? I feel like we don't know enough about him to know where he stands on anything. IIRC one of the flashbacks where we saw vicente and hoaquin interacting implied vicente was already planning some stuff to try and get stronger than his father. Perhaps even being more evil than hoaquin himself. That said, his approach to power will likely be different to white's. And perhaps for story purposes faster since the implication is that the original white spent quite some time gathering souls.

As for fug, they are definitely beginning to rally behind bam. His feats are not unknown to them and they suit their own purposes for the most part. Though it is worth noting that FUG has never been a group unified in purpose or even methods. They all have their own agendas. Seth remains dormant as far as we know so he probably doesn't give a crap about bam. Sofia is not necessarily fully onboard because from her perspective bam disappeared from the nest and the next thing she heard a family head was trying to marry him into the family. Khel hellam is probably on board though he wasn't exactly adamant on starting a war with zahard. So... bam is probably in a better spot than he was fug wise but it's not necessarily all rosy. It's also wouldn't be that unreasonable for some fug elements to be skeptical of irregulars given how irregulars are their problem to begin with. I'd be pretty warry of replacing zahard with a brunette zahard.

 

[sazon]

In NHS Androssi practically didn't attack, Lilial was doing his stupid monologue, Androssi defended some blows and the moment she attacked Lilial out of nowhere she got serious and used a shinsoo attack, which made Androssi use Bong Bong, and in the end, regardless of who it was stronger there, the fact is: Androssi was not actively fighting.

Either Lilial is the daughter of the snake or Rei, you guys need to decide on the headcannon.

Until today, the only thing that the blood of zahard gives the princesses is a physical boost, the advantage of the princesses of the 10 families is that their physical characteristics are even more boosted of course.

The biggest advantage of the 10F princesses, for me, is that they receive much more privileged training, like Yuri fighting Cheonhee or Maschenny already knowing how to use lightning as a regular (Ran only knows because she taught him after all). Shilial and Lilial may have received training at the same level, however, Androssi bridged that gap after training with Yuri and acquiring his Shinsoo quality. Btw, what I mean is: Take a 10F princess and a normal princess, give them the same level of training, then we will know who is stronger.

If it was a rule that 10F princesses are superior to normal princesses, Anak would never have been a chosen princess and Adori (assuming she's not an experiment or something) would never have gotten to where she is.

The real issue is, for both Adori and Enne's existence, both are the apex of the Zahard princesses, one being the apex of the bloodline and the other a monster. That is, for me, when it comes to measuring the potential of a princess, that alone does not come into play.

Of course, Lilial may have a powerful anima, in contrast Androssi has his shinsoo quality, Lilial is supposedly better than Androssi physically, but this one trained with Yuri, chiffon sword must not be the only thing she learned when Yuri's apex is the reinforcement.

Anyway, summarizing the princesses in mathematics of those who have more genetics doesn't make sense to me.

Honestly, the current Androssi is unknown, we don't know what she did in those 2~3 years as well as we didn't see all of Lilial's power, so in physical terms I put 50-50, in terms of intelligence, 80-20 for Androssi, if it was Shilial, it would be another story.

 

[King Dryst]

Honestly, the current Androssi is unknown, we don't know what she did in those 2~3 years as well as we didn't see all of Lilial's power, so in physical terms I put 50-50, in terms of intelligence, 80-20 for Androssi, if it was Shilial, it would be another story.

2-3 years is basically nothing if you're not Baam. It's not a span of time likely to result in any drastic power changes.

 

[sazon]

2-3 years is basically nothing if you're not Baam. It's not a span of time likely to result in any drastic power changes.

It depends on what you learn. Just learning about Shinsoo's quality in days gave an absurd boost in AA and Rak.

With each floor they climb, logically they get stronger, having targeted training accelerates this. Obviously not at Baam's level.

 

[kkck]

In NHS Androssi practically didn't attack, Lilial was doing his stupid monologue, Androssi defended some blows and the moment she attacked Lilial out of nowhere she got serious and used a shinsoo attack, which made Androssi use Bong Bong, and in the end, regardless of who it was stronger there, the fact is: Androssi was not actively fighting.

Either Lilial is the daughter of the snake or Rei, you guys need to decide on the headcannon.

Until today, the only thing that the blood of zahard gives the princesses is a physical boost, the advantage of the princesses of the 10 families is that their physical characteristics are even more boosted of course.

The biggest advantage of the 10F princesses, for me, is that they receive much more privileged training, like Yuri fighting Cheonhee or Maschenny already knowing how to use lightning as a regular (Ran only knows because she taught him after all). Shilial and Lilial may have received training at the same level, however, Androssi bridged that gap after training with Yuri and acquiring his Shinsoo quality. Btw, what I mean is: Take a 10F princess and a normal princess, give them the same level of training, then we will know who is stronger.

If it was a rule that 10F princesses are superior to normal princesses, Anak would never have been a chosen princess and Adori (assuming she's not an experiment or something) would never have gotten to where she is.

The real issue is, for both Adori and Enne's existence, both are the apex of the Zahard princesses, one being the apex of the bloodline and the other a monster. That is, for me, when it comes to measuring the potential of a princess, that alone does not come into play.

Of course, Lilial may have a powerful anima, in contrast Androssi has his shinsoo quality, Lilial is supposedly better than Androssi physically, but this one trained with Yuri, chiffon sword must not be the only thing she learned when Yuri's apex is the reinforcement.

Anyway, summarizing the princesses in mathematics of those who have more genetics doesn't make sense to me.

Honestly, the current Androssi is unknown, we don't know what she did in those 2~3 years as well as we didn't see all of Lilial's power, so in physical terms I put 50-50, in terms of intelligence, 80-20 for Androssi, if it was Shilial, it would be another story.

I don't think the fight can be 50-50 in terms of pure physicals strength tbh. Androsi very likely simply has inferior specks to other princesses in that department. Her shinsoo attribute is not directed towards and she'd need some kallavan type deal, who was physically a monster long before he even got the essence of bravery, to compensate. Members of the 10 families are born with varying degrees of superior physical strength compared to normal tower residents. And that boosted by zahard's blood. Now, melee combat in the tower is not simply physical strength but rather physical strength + shinsoo boost. Androsi very likely has an edge on shinsoo compared to lilial due to having mastered her shinsoo attribute. Shinsoo is pretty much why bam is able to hold his own in meele combat against normal rankers (though he rarely sticks to that against people who are actually a threat to him). My guess here is that androsi in general has an edge over lilial but everything we have seen in the story proves again and again that anima are bullshit.

 

[hblock]

In NHS Androssi practically didn't attack

Because she couldn't, she was busy enough defending.

 

[King Dryst]

Because she couldn't, she was busy enough defending.

She tried once and missed badly.

 

[hblock]

Until today, the only thing that the blood of zahard gives the princesses is a physical boost

Baseless and doesn't make sens. Why woud Z blood only makes someone physically stronger and have literally zero impact on shinsu control. It sounds like nonsens to me.
Mad dogs who're made from a similar process didn't just get a physical boost. They're "overall" stronger than other canines.

 

[Demonspeed]

Do you think S.Snake is confused?

Probably. I believe it's 100% Shinheuh and I refuse to believe Lilial is some kind of Human-Shinheuh hybrid.

It's not few blows, they fought for a short while during which Endorsi was constantly on the defensive and forced to use Bong Bong in some instances.

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Shilial was literally toying with Hatsu, the moment she stepped up a bit, she broke his sword and repeled him in one shot despite her being clumsy in swordmanship as she said.

I think you are reading way too much into that short exchange? Thankfully, next chapter should be more informative.

 

[hblock]

I think you are reading way too much into that short exchange? Thankfully, next chapter should be more informative.

Except it wasn't a short exchange.

 

[Orbs2op]

So now Yuri is here what her role exactly? Obviously she is going to use winning the competition as an excuse to leave with bam, but trau isn't going to allow that and I'm sure he ain't gonna kill her since she is the ha family favorite daughter and a famous princess, so she is just gonna protect bam from the sidelines too? Hope some more high rankers chicks are on the way, how strong is tiarra is she a high ranker? She seems broken she might be Yuri opponent then, really want to see a Yuri and jinsung talk and see if he can go home to see his grandmother already.

Hopefully bam takes on the snake next chapter or at least encounter it, I don't think he needs the thorn to take win, unless it's a small boost, would like to see how far he can go in base strength.

 

[Demonspeed]

New poll.

 

[Aliblack]

I was saying that Androssi should put the needle on Laura's neck. I didn't expect this. I knew that cutie pie Rime was not a fodder.

 

[Orbs2op]

Probably. I believe it's 100% Shinheuh and I refuse to believe Lilial is some kind of Human-Shinheuh hybrid.



I think you are reading way too much into that short exchange? Thankfully, next chapter should be more informative.

I think someone is controlling the snakes and speaking through them, that person might be her real father, there was humanoid figure sending the snakes to attack, don't see why a shinheuh would need to be shaped like person? Trau and zam talk about the sea snake as a person than a shinheuh atleast it seems that way.

The person controlling the snakes sounds in a dazed state like their locked up somewhere, and trau is keeping his wife and daughter as a barging chip, trau wouldn't go through the trouble when he is clearly prefer to use someone else.l, that his playbook trolling.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Probably. I believe it's 100% Shinheuh and I refuse to believe Lilial is some kind of Human-Shinheuh hybrid.

Even with all the talk of him attaining a knowledge/lust that was improper for him?

SC was all snek too, and yet he could turn into an acceptable human figure. You think it's impossible for SS to have had this same ability at some point?

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I think someone is controlling the snakes and speaking through them, that person might be her real father, there was humanoid figure sending the snakes to attack, don't see why a shinheuh would need to be shaped like person? Trau and zam talk about the sea snake as a person than a shinheuh atleast it seems that way.

The person controlling the snakes sounds in a dazed state like their locked up somewhere, and trau is keeping his wife and daughter as a barging chip, trau wouldn't go through the trouble when he is clearly prefer to use someone else.

Well, this opinion ignores a few things:

1. Whether you see a need or not, it WAS shaped like a person.
2. Why would a shinheuh need to be motivated to act? That's how a PERSON is, not a wild animal.
3. SS was spoken of as having attained knowledge above its animal station. That hints to a human intellect/desire.
4. The person you reference speaking to SS isn't talking about THEIR Laura being taken away, but SS's Laura.
5. In what way do they sound like they are "in a daze?"

 

[Vali x lucifer]

I think someone is controlling the snakes and speaking through them, that person might be her real father, there was humanoid figure sending the snakes to attack, don't see why a shinheuh would need to be shaped like person? Trau and zam talk about the sea snake as a person than a shinheuh atleast it seems that way.

The person controlling the snakes sounds in a dazed state like their locked up somewhere, and trau is keeping his wife and daughter as a barging chip, trau wouldn't go through the trouble when he is clearly prefer to use someone else.l, that his playbook trolling.

Could be a Dokoko situation, he took way too much damage and was forced to become one with the shinheuh instead of dying

 

[Demonspeed]

Even with all the talk of him attaining a knowledge/lust that was improper for him?

SC was all snek too, and yet he could turn into an acceptable human figure. You think it's impossible for SS to have had this same ability at some point?

I never thought the Snake Charmer was a Shinheuh. Especially if he is the one who scouted the Princess candidates, because it was stated that the one who did was a Ranker. To me he is a humanoid from a snakelike race.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I never thought the Snake Charmer was a Shinheuh. Especially if he is the one who scouted the Princess candidates, because it was stated that the one who did was a Ranker. To me he is a humanoid from a snakelike race.

What is a snake in the Tower but a shinheuh?

Each snake could even have a different personality, as shown by the one that tried to attack Androssi.




If a bunch of ants stack on top of each other in the shape of a human, we don't ignore it's just a mass of ants, right?

 

[Demonspeed]

What is a snake in the Tower but a shinheuh?

Each snake could even have a different personality, as shown by the one that tried to attack Androssi.




If a bunch of ants stack on top of each other in the shape of a human, we don't ignore it's just a mass of ants, right?

To me at least Shinheuhs are familiars. They have no human intellect and can be tamed by Animas. Plus the SS was in a bowl.

Rak is a humanoid gator and clearly not a Shinheuh. He is simply not Human. Same for Anak, she isn't a Shinheuh but from a race different from Humans.

It's not like SIU listed all the races existing so a humanoid snake race isn't out of the question.

Also reading this chapter. The SS seemed really stupid. I can't believe this thing has human intellect.