Tower of God Chapter 563 Spoilers & Discussion

[Big-Bird]

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@Demonspeed veuillez épingler

 

[O_n_Sly]

So, Androssi's REPEATED awe at the similarities, resulting in her taking the time to explain a SC connection in the middle of running away was all just... for the hell of it by SIU then?

She clearly has a snake phobia or some type of snake trauma. SM and SC have no connection

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Let it go

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Let's be honest - no one would be this excited over a REGULAR battle and hyped about who is stronger if they didn't want to fuck the princesses. That's why everyone is so invested here. These are just regs!

Shibisu and Rak wouldn't have this level of excitement in the fandom. They aren't (as) fuckable. YMMV

Ren vs Inieta or Anak was hype no ?
Rak is never fighting seriously 1v1, Khun neither and both don't carry the same social status as a princess, so the stakes aren't as high usually in a Regular vs Regular match.
Other than that, i admit that i might be biased for Yuri because i also like her looks, but at least with Endorsi i am usually impartial if not slightly biased against her, i don't deny part of it might be that i don't find her particularly hot, but nothing you can do about it really, we read this for fun after all.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I don't think the marriage has any sort of administrator bind attached to it. My guess is that Rei simply has a fucked up history with love in general and the marriage is simply part of his plan to get him under his control for the war. If Baam asked to serve him without marriage I imagine he would accept, but Rei knows that can't happen easily and he also needs some sort of legitimacy looking at the other families that would love to use Baam instead.

I'm not sure how that'd stop anyone, particularly a FH though?

If a god-being gets it in their head they can fw Baam, it doesn't matter that Andy wrote his name on Buzz' foot, does it?

It's possible Rei is not thinking this through.

She clearly has a snake phobia or some type of snake trauma. SM and SC have no connection

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Let it go

I mean, you're welcome to not respond further. I'm just asking you to explain your position based the material, not something you bring up out of thin air, such as a phobia.

We have the beyond-obvious physical similarities. Both are connected to culturing and/or creating princesses. We have the Androssi speculation linking the two. Even their names are damn near identical. That's 4 very clear hints/links.

But, in no way are they connected! Lol. That's some double-down determination.

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Ren vs Inieta or Anak was hype no ?
Rak is never fighting seriously 1v1, Khun neither and both don't carry the same social status as a princess, so the stakes aren't as high usually in a Regular vs Regular match.
Other than that, i admit that i might be biased for Yuri because i also like her looks, but at least with Endorsi i am usually impartial if not slightly biased against her, i don't deny part of it might be that i don't find her particularly hot, but nothing you can do about it really, we read this for fun after all.

Sure, the regular battles were hype when the regulars were relevant.

I'm not saying it's not fun to fawn over a character that you enjoy, I was just making an observation.

I'm not very invested in things regular at this point. That's just my own opinion.

 

[O_n_Sly]

I mean, you're welcome to not respond further. I'm just asking you to explain your position based the material, not something you bring up out of thin air, such as a phobia.

We have the beyond-obvious physical similarities. Both are connected to culturing and/or creating princesses. We have the Androssi speculation linking the two. Even their names are damn near identical. That's 4 very clear hints/links.

But, in no way are they connected! Lol. That's some double-down determination.

LOL SC had direct ties to picking and making Endorsi a princess. SM didn’t even know his girls became princesses lol!!! And it sounds like SM is more of a punishment! Let’s find out what he/it wants from the FH 1st!

 

[Vali x lucifer]

I'm not sure how that'd stop anyone, particularly a FH though?

If a god-being gets it in their head they can fw Baam, it doesn't matter that Andy wrote his name on Buzz' foot, does it?

It's possible Rei is not thinking this through.

Jahad at least seems to be withdrawing information from him (i suspect it's mutual though) because he obviously knows from the hidden floor that Baam is as special as them.

Maybe marrying Baam to a princess in Rei pov would dissuade people from attacking him ? Since at that point, if a FH forcefully took Baam from LPB, Zahard may have official reasons to directly intervene. Rei entered a war against Gustang for the privilege, Zahard is the first person you are indirectly targeting at this point if you want to use Baam for yourself.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

LOL SC had direct ties to picking and making Endorsi a princess. SM didn’t even know his girls became princesses lol!!! And it sounds like SM is more of a punishment! Let’s find out what he/it wants from the FH 1st!

SC didn't know Androssi was a princess until he was done with her/the process. Obviously there is some culturing/grooming to do and it's not immediate. You have no idea SS/SM didn't want the same for his offspring, and why wouldn't he? It's not like they would fall out of the womb full-blown princesses. For all we know his mark was Laura and he made the mistake of falling for her. It doesn't mean his job suddenly disappeared.

If anything, it looks like he's being punished for betraying his mandate and putting his dick where it didn't belong. Like a modeling scout breaking professionalism and 'sampling' the talent.

The princess connection, very rare in the grand scheme of things, remains. As do the other THREE hints of a SC - SS connection.

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Jahad at least seems to be withdrawing information from him (i suspect it's mutual though) because he obviously knows from the hidden floor that Baam is as special as them.

Maybe marrying Baam to a princess in Rei pov would dissuade people from attacking him ? Since at that point, if a FH forcefully took Baam from LPB, Zahard may have official reasons to directly intervene. Rei entered a war against Gustang for the privilege, Zahard is the first person you are indirectly targeting at this point if you want to use Baam for yourself.

Right.

I guess my point is it seems to be about appearances, and nothing more. Nothing particularly binding. And nothing that would rule out anyone that got it in their head to also use Baam. But, my point is more importantly about Baam himself more than the other FHs. What's to keep HIM (Baam) from just leaving after the fact?

If another FH that was on the fence learned that Baam could kill irregulars, do you think a marriage would stop them? I bet it won't stop Gustang if it proceeds to completion (the marriage). Not like Gus would be all, "Ah, shucks!" and just give up.

As far as Zahard goes, I bet he'd still kill Baam if he found it necessary. Even if he was made a LPB. I think he's humoring Rei. And, yes, I think they might be playing the game against each other a bit. Nothing too antagonistic, at least on the surface.

And at least until Rei gets his memories back...

 

[Vali x lucifer]

Right.

I guess my point is it seems to be about appearances, and nothing more. Nothing particularly binding. And nothing that would rule out anyone that got it in their head to also use Baam. But, my point is more importantly about Baam himself more than the other FHs. What's to keep HIM (Baam) from just leaving after the fact?

If another FH that was on the fence learned that Baam could kill irregulars, do you think a marriage would stop them? I bet it won't stop Gustang if it proceeds to completion (the marriage). Not like Gus would be all, "Ah, shucks!" and just give up.

As far as Zahard goes, I bet he'd still kill Baam if he found it necessary. Even if he was made a LPB. I think he's humoring Rei. And, yes, I think they might be playing the game against each other a bit. Nothing too antagonistic, at least on the surface.

And at least until Rei gets his memories back...

Hard to say, in regards to getting Baam to agree and definitively join his family i am still pretty much lost. It seems basically impossible, even if Rei makes Baam lose the game, convincing him to just get married in the Family is one thing, going to war is another type of deal. Overall it's still a pretty confusing situation, mainly because we don't know the relationships between the Irregulars, Gustang going to war right now is also a strange decision without much insight on his plans.

 

[Demonspeed]

It is simple , there are valid reason why i see Lilial more favoritly .

Endorsi has been in this manwha since the start and she didn't really show that she was special among other beast like White , Vicente or Kaiser or even mad dog .

While Lilial has been not that much , so i am far more incline to think that she has more incredible card , while we likely know much of what Androssi got .

There is also the fact that you like to ignore that GF princess are in average more gifted that you standard princess .

The reason why i bring Yihwa , Ran and Elaine is because they have special ability that make them powerful even without jahad blood , Kaisen wolf could injure a ranker and Yihwa flame are ridicously powerful , same for the lighting pill .

I have no issue with you being in favor of Lilial. It's just that I find that you are overselling her and underselling Androssi when Lilial hasn't shown much either. Basically, what you are saying about the latter is that "She has been in the story for so long and SIU didn't reveal anything truly special so she has nothing".

That's on SIU for the way he is pacing his story. Whatever she has as abilities, we have been kept mostly in the dark but this arc should solve that issue. We don't know her race and even her real name but her Shinsoo Attribute has been confirmed to be uncommon by White. It took us years to know that A.A. has an Ice Attribute, that Baam has an Orb one and its powers(even though he is a Wave Controller who got trained by FUG masters), that Rak was a Native One, endless tease for the Wangnan lore, Yihwa is still a hostage etc . It's not that different. This series is just too long.

SIU didn't say that GF Princesses are more gifted AFAIR. They are of higher status. Obviously the advantage they have compared to someone "normal" is that they have their 10F blood in addition to Zahard blood. I didn't deny that. Data Zahard said thanks to Zahard Blood, the princess gets 10000 times the physical abilities of a normal person. That's the buff they get. So assuming two persons have the exact same abilities, the one with 10F blood will be stronger. And that's not really possible.

All of them are good example of talent which could have become princess because they are that talented and i believe all of them would have been superior to her if they were jahad princess . Imagine Ran body with the lighting pill .

It doesn't really matter she still lost .

Sure she is stronger than Yihwa and Ran , but so ? She is a jahad princess , this isn't a accomplisment , it is the bare minimum for a jahad princess .

Nah Lilial will have a shinsheuh , i don't get where this idea come from but it is weird . We know that around 20 family who all have control over a shinsheuh or a beast and that Kaiser family was among the weakest one .

The reason I considered this is because so far she has been fighting mostly like a brawler but she most likely has one. Plus the fact that she is a twin and Shilial is confirmed to have a Shinheuh.

This isn't even true , the best ability are among the GF , a anima that can hurt a ranker while bieng a regular is something close to unmatched , Yeon flame are the same , a sword technique that follow no rule other than his user wish .

What does Androssi have that match that ?

What about GF princess , having the blood of 2 irregular ?

Sure some special ability may be outside a GF family , Doom ability to create dog , Karaka or even Kallavan , but 99,999999 of the time GF ability are far superior than you average regular .

My point isn't that Enne and Adori are half irregular , it is just a illustration that show ranking or comparing them to other princess make no sense , they are existence that make no sense .

She doesn't have to. But my point is that you are acting as if she can't. And these abilities still depend on the user. Elaine's ability stand out here because she has the Grey Wolf with its special ability. But just knowing Arie Swordsmanship isn't going to make you able to injure Rankers as a Regular, same for Koon Lightning or Yeon Flames.

Anyway, we'll have our answers soon enough.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Hard to say, in regards to getting Baam to agree and definitively join his family i am still pretty much lost. It seems basically impossible, even if Rei makes Baam lose the game, convincing him to just get married in the Family is one thing, going to war is another type of deal. Overall it's still a pretty confusing situation, mainly because we don't know the relationships between the Irregulars, Gustang going to war right now is also a strange decision without much insight on his plans.

Another note: If Baam wins and Rei upholds his end of things, there is no marriage. If Baam loses and there IS a marriage (at least in Rei's mind), then Rei just inherited a dud that can't even win a simple competition. Sure, there's something to say about potential, but still.

Rei can only force Baam to even compete by... hostages. Likewise, he can only force him to marry by using hostages. Presumably, he could only make Baam stay post-marriage with hostages.

I think it's pretty clear the marriage itself holds little value to anyone but Rei, and even then it's just a formality.

 

[Demonspeed]

It will never cease to annoy and amuse me that FUG treated Rachel better than they did their own Slayer candidate. Hell, Rachel got better treatment as a Regular than most 10 Family descendants or princesses like Androssi.

Well, Baam never wanted to stay in FUG while Rachel was fine with it. Baam was probably treated like royalty by them.

But he doesn't care about that.

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Let's be honest - no one would be this excited over a REGULAR battle and hyped about who is stronger if they didn't want to fuck the princesses. That's why everyone is so invested here. These are just regs!

Shibisu and Rak wouldn't have this level of excitement in the fandom. They aren't (as) fuckable. YMMV

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So, Androssi's REPEATED awe at the similarities, resulting in her taking the time to explain a SC connection in the middle of running away was all just... for the hell of it by SIU then?

This is wrong though. I honestly prefer speculating about PLs between Regulars like this because Baam's forms and power ups make things way too complicated. Especially with the reactions anytime his feats don't fit someone's headcanon. Plus, despite the huge numbers of Rankers in this story since S2. Most aren't fan favorites. It's mostly a bunch of supporting characters.

Disregarding the likes of Yuri, Urek and possibly the FHs. The most popular characters are definitely not Rankers/High Rankers.

 

[Turtle hunter]

I'm not sure how that'd stop anyone, particularly a FH though?

If a god-being gets it in their head they can fw Baam, it doesn't matter that Andy wrote his name on Buzz' foot, does it?

It's possible Rei is not thinking this through.



I mean, you're welcome to not respond further. I'm just asking you to explain your position based the material, not something you bring up out of thin air, such as a phobia.

We have the beyond-obvious physical similarities. Both are connected to culturing and/or creating princesses. We have the Androssi speculation linking the two. Even their names are damn near identical. That's 4 very clear hints/links.

But, in no way are they connected! Lol. That's some double-down determination.

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Sure, the regular battles were hype when the regulars were relevant.

I'm not saying it's not fun to fawn over a character that you enjoy, I was just making an observation.

I'm not very invested in things regular at this point. That's just my own opinion.

Men even with ranker i am not that invested .

 

[sazon]

I don't think the fight can be 50-50 in terms of pure physicals strength tbh. Androsi very likely simply has inferior specks to other princesses in that department. Her shinsoo attribute is not directed towards and she'd need some kallavan type deal, who was physically a monster long before he even got the essence of bravery, to compensate. Members of the 10 families are born with varying degrees of superior physical strength compared to normal tower residents. And that boosted by zahard's blood. Now, melee combat in the tower is not simply physical strength but rather physical strength + shinsoo boost. Androsi very likely has an edge on shinsoo compared to lilial due to having mastered her shinsoo attribute. Shinsoo is pretty much why bam is able to hold his own in meele combat against normal rankers (though he rarely sticks to that against people who are actually a threat to him). My guess here is that androsi in general has an edge over lilial but everything we have seen in the story proves again and again that anima are bullshit.

The physique I'm talking about are skills in general, not just attributes.

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Baseless and doesn't make sens. Why woud Z blood only makes someone physically stronger and have literally zero impact on shinsu control. It sounds like nonsens to me.
Mad dogs who're made from a similar process didn't just get a physical boost. They're "overall" stronger than other canines.

The only fact is: increased physical stats, anything beyond that is its own headcannon

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

This is wrong though. I honestly prefer speculating about PLs between Regulars like this because Baam's forms and power ups make things way too complicated. Especially with the reactions anytime his feats don't fit someone's headcanon. Plus, despite the huge numbers of Rankers in this story since S2. Most aren't fan favorites. It's mostly a bunch of supporting characters.

Disregarding the likes of Yuri, Urek and possibly the FHs. The most popular characters are definitely not Rankers/High Rankers.

We're going to just have to disagree on this one.

Look below - the copious amounts of threads aren't discussing regs for the most part. Even if you discount mine and the 100+ threads in Maschenny by Cin.

For casual TOG fans regs might still be winning popularity contests. But, for those invested at this level reading all the chapters to this point, there's a variety of more interesting designs and kits (and fights) that have been introduced since early chapters. Hell, Androssi hasn't even been shown in forever until now. Her kit is nonexistent. She's simply boring, outclassed, and outpowered by a long shot. Same for the other reg princesses. And non-princess regs as well (they're good for basically keeping Baam happy and some comedic value).

Focusing on regs at this point is worse than getting more hyped for the amateur/undercard matches after the pro/main matches started. It's like being completely enthralled by which ant at your feet in the bleachers might win a tug-of-war over a piece of potato chip while the heavyweights don't bring as much enthusiasm. Or even the same level of energy.

You can't convince me if the (regular) princesses weren't fuckable and all looked like Sir Aka, they would *still* be interesting at any level.

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Men even with ranker i am not that invested .

Yup. Even 'just' a ranker ain't shit anymore at this point.

'Just' rankers have died left and right since Urek started popping heads on the Zygania.

Hell, even ARs aren't relevant. Low level HRs hardly. Madoraco? Who gives a shit?

 

[hblock]

The only fact is: increased physical stats, anything beyond that is its own headcannon

Canon : Z princess receive Z's power.
Since when Z's power is limited to physical ability ?
Not to mention that this assumption is retarded.

 

[Turtle hunter]

We're going to just have to disagree on this one.

Look below - the copious amounts of threads aren't discussing regs for the most part. Even if you discount mine and the 100+ threads in Maschenny by Cin.

For casual TOG fans regs might still be winning popularity contests. But, for those invested at this level reading all the chapters to this point, there's a variety of more interesting designs and kits (and fights) that have been introduced since early chapters. Hell, Androssi hasn't even been shown in forever until now. Her kit is nonexistent. She's simply boring, outclassed, and outpowered by a long shot. Same for the other reg princesses. And non-princess regs as well (they're good for basically keeping Baam happy and some comedic value).

Focusing on regs at this point is worse than getting more hyped for the amateur/undercard matches after the pro/main matches started. It's like being completely enthralled by which ant at your feet in the bleachers might win a tug-of-war over a piece of potato chip while the heavyweights don't bring as much enthusiasm. Or even the same level of energy.

You can't convince me if the (regular) princesses weren't fuckable and all looked like Sir Aka, they would *still* be interesting at any level.

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Yup. Even 'just' a ranker ain't shit anymore at this point.

'Just' rankers have died left and right since Urek started popping heads on the Zygania.

Hell, even ARs aren't relevant. Low level HRs hardly. Madoraco? Who gives a shit?

Exactly , when i see Rei and Po bidau scheming and speaking about warfare and we have this little game with the regular i can't help but be bored .

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Canon : Z princess receive Z's power.
Since when Z's power is limited to physical ability ?
Not to mention that this assumption is retarded.

Yep basically seems like a weird assumption to make .

zahard isn't just a physical freak , he is a gifted shinsoo user .

It would make sense that anyone who get zahard blood got a boost overall in all they domain .

I don't get why some people would think only they body would get stronger .

Aaaah , i know why , because we mainly got to see bottom of the barrel princess like Anak with poor shinsoo skill or standard princess like Androssi who by the way is great at using shinsoo but didn't show anything beastly with it yet .

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Exactly , when i see Rei and Po bidau scheming and speaking about warfare and we have this little game with the regular i can't help but be bored .

Pretty much. If it's not an attractiveness thing it's 100% nostalgia goggles.

We don't even have to guess if regs are interesting. We just had a host of them more qualified than Baam's regs show up. From swampthing girl to captain America girl. They aren't sexy or introduced over 10 years ago when you started reading. So they don't move the needle! Wow, they can do reg moves and kick and punch. Whoopee!

 

[Turtle hunter]

Pretty much. If it's not an attractiveness thing it's 100% nostalgia goggles.

We don't even have to guess if regs are interesting. We just had a host of them more qualified than Baam's regs show up. From swampthing girl to captain America girl. They aren't sexy or introduced over 10 years ago when you started reading. So they don't move the needle! Wow, they can do reg moves and kick and punch. Whoopee!

Yeah basically , the only reason i care about Lilial vs Androssi , is because i like Androssi , both are character we knew for a long time and i always wanted see them fight .

 

[O_n_Sly]

All this division, only for SIU to have Endorsi and Lilial working together 3 chapters from now

 

[kkck]

In regards to zahard's power which the princesses get, the manga has only been specific in regards to them getting bodies thousands of times stronger than normal people. IIRC it's never said anything regarding shinsoo control. I don't think it's impossible they get other stats boosted but at the moment there's no further evidence to go on. It'd be interesting if this came with zahard's own shinsoo attributes (the golden needle or perhaps the gold element and a needle) but zero evidence of that so far. That said, even if there's nothing more this is still a rather overwhelming boost to begin with.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Yeah basically , the only reason i care about Lilial vs Androssi , is because i like Androssi , both are character we knew for a long time and i always wanted see them fight .

Hey, at least you're honest.

If Androssi was one of the characters just introduced with these other regs no one would be very invested as she's not very interesting. She has 'princess' attached to her name, but at reg status that only really means something to other regs.

There are regs that can fight on par with princesses anyways.