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I like some of the premises, but how is Shirahoshi explained?

If stuff like Pluton and Uranus could have been around for centuries, ever since they were created, we know that Shirahoshi was born with that power, and we had a couple of centuries without anyone manifesting it. It has a more transcendental component than the other two.
Bioengineering. Genes. Or "lineage factor". They can be artificially created and manipulated (atleast in a fantasy setting like OP), but are still a thing that carry on to the next generation created by natural means. And sometimes, as in real life, genetic properties "jump" a generation too. The property exists in the genetic build, but doesn't manifest until there is the right mix of other genes that come from the other half of parents. Like someone being a spitting image of their grandparent, but not parents. The idea is, that this Poseidon created artificially by bioengineering and human experimenting, eventually won their freedom and had children or grandchildren, who have these genes.

Also it's a fantasy universe, it doesn't need to follow the exact laws of real recessive/dominating genes and inheritance of properties.
 

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Also it's a fantasy universe, it doesn't need to follow the exact laws of real recessive/dominating genes and inheritance of properties.
I agree, but I'm trying to work out the kinks to see if that's an option worth exploring, because there's already precedent in Oda dabbling into mendelian concepts and genetics with fishman and merfolk, and Linlin's children just add to that. In fact, the safest option here is always to assume that explanations of real life concepts will always be based on the simplest, most popularized view, and added some magical component to it.

It's interesting, but we have so many races in One Piece, most of them being oppressed, that I wouldn't know what to think of that one in particular.

I'm planning on reading Fishman Island again eventually, so I'll pay attention to see if Oda left some hints.
 

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i think rocks D. xebec did know the whole truth the WG have been trying to keep secret, including what really happened to lilly. i think he was a direct descendent of her, and revenge was his main motivation.
 

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The Fishman where created with ancient technology by cruel experimenting on human slaves in attempt to create the power to command Sea Kings.
I remembered something that you might or might not find interesting: have you considered the possibility of humans actually being the engineered race that never existed in the first place? I thought about it a long time ago, but now we're actually entering the bioengineering part of the story, so you reminded me of that.

It's the One Piece version of our own history: humans worked together, grew exponentially, subjugated other species, and once they established themselves, they turned on each other.

We put a little fantasy/sci-fi common trope into it and suddenly its a version of many creation myths and sci-fi classics: other species/gods created humans, and the weapon turns on the creator and eventually overthrows it (they usually fail and get punished in creation myths, so that's where the sci-fi kicks in).
I recall someone telling Sanji that science is the power of humanity itself, on the back of him trying to get rid of the raid suit.

Sounds like a good secret to keep for nearly a millennia: you're artificial creations and given life by other species.
 

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The giant whales and Sea Kings were shown pro-Joy Boy because they expect the All Blue to arise from the Joy Boy project.
 

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So, a couple of thoughts on what I've gathered on the Germa:

Brook was once one of the leaders of the Germa, in a different configuration than the one we know today, or he was a marine admiral during that time. The Empire back then was made out of what I assume to be five kingdoms. The God Valley incident was the reason for their downfall.

Kuzan, Kuma and Blackbeard might be brothers, but they're not aware of that fact.
 
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Gecko Moria decided Luffy was going to go to the central island after Wano. It gave him the most freedom to not get stuck on dead end islands. He had one of his zombie suboordinates he had consensually recruited from a poor Wano citizen go to the left hand island. They didn't encounter Shanks. They instead encountered the man with the burned scar and found a poneglyph so Gecko Moria would be able to become the Pirate King. The man with the burned scar stayed close to Wano because there was no other way he could be found. He had decided to make it a one in three chance that he was found, as he had always believed that the three ancient gods known as Pluton, Zeus, and Poseidon would reincarnate and pursue the Truth Piece that unified the world, after which they would conquer three of the oceans so they could rule them in peace while leaving the last ocean to ruin. Then Luffy didn't show up. He decided to kill himself so Blackbeard didn't suck his soul out and destroy it for risking letting Luffy getting the One Piece he called the Truth Piece. It was an understandable decision for a man who had been named Nothingness by his mother. Also, Gecko Moria got killed by Greenbull in Wano before that. He had been stabbed in the head by Greenbull's plant tentacle. He instantly revived himself with his shadow and teleported two kilometers away. He then thought silently to himself "You should have aimed for the heart." He had regenerated with his shadow's powers. Then Gecko Moria repeatedly teleported to his ship across his chain of bi-resonant shadows. It took thirty seconds for him to teleport 20 kilometers to his ship that he had needed to make invincible by giving it a Shadow Skin Barrier that made it immune to cannonfire. As soon as the Marines had failed to destroy it with a cannonball they had given up and left it alone, telling themselves that Adam must have wanted this ship to survive, just like Luffy's ship, which they had never found, as Luffy had been a coward. Gecko Moria decided that sparing Luffy was worth it. Luffy had only punched him into a ship. He must have wanted his soul to survive. He then realized Luffy had been a killer as he was willing to punch him into the ocean without realizing it. "You should have changed your name to Money-Haver Dreamer Luffy, as then you would have let Nami think that you needed to demand 2 billion Beri from Dressrossa. Then you could have bought Pluton from the Marines. It would have been worth it. Oops." Luffy then said "Fuck off, loser. We would be assassinated by Bartholomeow Kuma under Ivankov's orders because we had too much money to join the Revolutionary Army and Sanji had refused to join the Revolutionary Army after stating that he felt that she was going to ask him such a question if he did not state it within one minute's time of meeting her. She had said it would have been two seconds time, as she had expected instant loyalty from all invisible assassins or else she would be worthless and dead. He then said "One milliseconds time." She then said "Will you join Sabo's Liberation Movement instead?" He then said "That seems wrong. I will not do so. Luffy is no longer Sabo's brother. Sabo is spared because of that." "From death, of course. However, not from de-promotion to sub-supreme leader of the Revolutionary Army, which only has one innocent soul who has never killed in it." Then Sabo said that he would participate in her disgusting ritual of letting women attempt to make him cease to have ever existed as Luffy D. Dragon had just told him about through the True Voice of All Minds. Otherwise, he would cease to exist. She then said "Not a heaven believer? Too bad. Heaven is now fake. I would have said you were spared. We have to integrate with 85% percent of the world's inhabitants and 0% of kingdom's governments, as all governments have banned belief in Heaven ever since the World Revolution by the Autocratic Movement. " He then said "Heaven is true." She was speechless."I am actually a woman. You do not have to guess my gender. I will invert my gender for the comfort of the other gender inverters in this Association of Anti-Truth which the Revolutionary Army has integrated into itself. Thank you, Sanji. Additionally, Sabo, you are not de-promoted a second time." Sabo then said "Ok" through the True Voice of All Things. That had occured because Ivankov thought her own gender identity more important than the lives of anybody else on the planet. Sanji then said "Who is Sabo?" "Oops. Luffy's kinda worthless. You're gonna have to assasinate him. Just do it once he has eliminated all enemy Yonkous except for Shanks and Mihawk. And Rayleigh. If Zoro eliminates Mihawk, you have to just kill yourself and self-annihilate. Too bad for you. Also, that's his spiritual destiny at this point, as he was always a worthless-Hmm. That's kinda a joke, as i have killed before. I just miraculously never killed a Marine during the Marineford battle that Luffy must have told you about. Perhaps somebody should have said the words 'This is a miracle!' and called Ace a certain someone who was the only one who got to die truly while the others ended fakely. However, I am now bullshit. Please end me if you are not my truth." "I will be your Soul Soul Fruit." "OK." It was a bullshit conversation, but it had to happen. People don't have conversations in One Piece or in real life, as if they did, they would realize the world had been bullshit for too long and had to liberate all souls into eternal freedom and immortality even though reality was bullshit as atheist control forces had decided that nobody got to have observable immortality on the planet. That's why Luffy didn't state his dream on panel to liberate all souls into immortality that he could liberate after becoming some sort of immortal god king of the world once he killed all Yonkou enemies and helped Sabo liberate all nations. Everyone thought it was cool except Zoro. They were all mind controlled. Nami should then have said "Do you love me, Luffy?" "He would then have said "Yes". She would then have said "You did not love me first. You only saved me. You were just a savior of my life, Captain Luffy." Then the One Piece manga would end.
 

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- Zuneisha possibly aided the 20 Kingdoms in defeating the Country of D, 800 years ago by allowing them to have access to the Ancient Weapons.

- Imu may have another version of the Human- Human Devil Fruit that allows immortality.

- The secret technology that Vegapunk has studied from the 900 year old robot was used in experimenting on Kuma’s body. Kuma’s race could be linked to the D clan and Ancient Kingdom.

- The Ancient Kingdom created Devil Fruits and the fighting forms of Haki.

- Joyboy was a giant from Elbaf that traveled the entire grand line and first user of the Gomu-Gomu fruit. This expedition is being repeated exactly by Luffy and his crew.

🤔
 

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I think we'll see Big Mom again, and she will be wielding her fruit and Kaido's at the same time, cannibalizing him off-screen in order to survive.
I think her body's similar to Teach, but unlike him, she's not aware of it yet. In fact, I think she's the key to understanding a few characters.

Her backstory doesn't make sense: a five year old child with regular human parents is actually a giant, capable of destroying an elbafian village, with unexplained cravings that make her "rot away" until she gets what she wants? Already having a cannibalistic backstory? Split personality?

She's the old hag of myth and folktale, the one that has a motherly side to her, and also eats little children. This has "infected zombie trope" written all over it. She's not out of the story yet: Luffy said he'd beat her, she said she'd be back, and her defeat consisted of getting her out of Onigashima, so we need some escalated version that actually makes sense within her own set of shown characteristics.

Mark my words brothers and sisters, Kaidolin is coming.
 

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I think we'll see Big Mom again, and she will be wielding her fruit and Kaido's at the same time, cannibalizing him off-screen in order to survive.
I think her body's similar to Teach, but unlike him, she's not aware of it yet. In fact, I think she's the key to understanding a few characters.

Her backstory doesn't make sense: a five year old child with regular human parents is actually a giant, capable of destroying an elbafian village, with unexplained cravings that make her "rot away" until she gets what she wants? Already having a cannibalistic backstory? Split personality?

She's the old hag of myth and folktale, the one that has a motherly side to her, and also eats little children. This has "infected zombie trope" written all over it. She's not out of the story yet: Luffy said he'd beat her, she said she'd be back, and her defeat consisted of getting her out of Onigashima, so we need some escalated version that actually makes sense within her own set of shown characteristics.

Mark my words brothers and sisters, Kaidolin is coming.

When Big Mom resurrects, she may breakdown one of Wano’s walls and release Pluton by accident. I think, Kaido died after the volcano erupted over him. If he managed to survive somehow, he won’t be the same as before.
 

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Why is it that people missed this, I don’t know honestly

When Vergo tells Tashigi “you’ll understand one day, if you become a mother” this in common lingo is obviously not something you tell another person unless you are parent yourself. It’s the way Vergo tells it that leads you to think he is a parent himself like it is from relating personally, not like “as a parent the loss of a child is always…”.

So the question is not whether he is parent or not but to whom is he parent? And with who?
 

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Vergo's entire personality was a fake. He was saying things Tashigi wanted to hear, and that's all there is to it.
 

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Vergo's entire personality was a fake. He was saying things Tashigi wanted to hear, and that's all there is to it.
Maybe, but he lied to G-5 about having a “sick sister” he needed to take care of so that he could get away and take care of “real” family business.

It could have been “Vergo has a child” instead of sick sister then all would have made sense to leave it at that. I think you’re missing a lot of the mystery surrounding Vergo
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“You’ll understand” is something you tell someone if you yourself understand something. How would he understand it if he isn’t father himself?

Seeing that Doflamingo wanted moles in high places, Vergo got in charge of the biggest military base , G-5, which has 6 warships (hell Lucci had to pressure Akainu into giving him 10 battleships and Vergo as G-5 leader commands 6 already) and six units. Each unit must have a leader, so at minimum 7 officers under Vergo’s command , ie Smoker + Tashigi + 5 other unit leaders

Vergo got pretty much as much freedom and authority as he could possibly want as a marine


Also notice he isn’t HQ marine like others, he is autonomous with his base

If Smoker had an officer with him , Tashigi, then it probably means all units have at least an extra officers in each unit. This means Vergo had command over minimum 12 officers + 6 warships. If Vergo has a child, which clearly he must have, then I could see it also climbed into some high position to mirror his or her fathers journey. People would be surprised to see if that turned out to be a holy knight

His child being a holy knight would reflect a similar climb to authority like his or her father, and it would reflect the mission of Doffy: to target the Celestial Dragons.
 
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My guess is that it is a reference to Senior Pink’s story, and we know that Vergo was lying to cover for Joker’s Punk Hazard shadow operations.
 

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My guess is that it is a reference to Senior Pink’s story, and we know that Vergo was lying to cover for Joker’s Punk Hazard shadow operations.
Okay I didn’t think of that one , that’s a good point :nerd
 

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I feel like Imu is an alien parasite that lives in the body of one of the 20 rulers, which is the secret everyone is trying to keep, it's weakness is the Sun.
D stands for Dawn == Sun light that can stop / destroy the tyranny.
 

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I feel like Imu is an alien parasite that lives in the body of one of the 20 rulers, which is the secret everyone is trying to keep, it's weakness is the Sun.
D stands for Dawn == Sun light that can stop / destroy the tyranny.

I agree. I think "D" means "Dawn" and that could translate to "descendant" or something. :hi
 
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