One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[BlackTiger]

Act 1 luffy is yc1, end of wano luffy is mid-high yonko tier. Getting 2 forms of advance haki and a fruits awakening is one hell of a level up. Luffy got so many upgrades in wano.

By act 1 Luffy you mean the Luffy who fought act 1 Kaido? If act 1 Luffy who fought Kaido, the Luffy who did not use FS and used Boundman form only (the mode that lost to Cracker) is YC1 then Cracker is YC1+. Katakuri is YC1+++. Kidd is YC1-

 

[albertwv]

He's 1 Arc power up away from admiral level I would guess.

As far as his swordsmanship goes I think that he is just below Mihawk and the second strongest Swordsman in OP at the moment but Swordsmanship doesn't equal overall powerlevel so his below Admiral level nor do I think an admiral would sustain any lost limbs in a fight with him

I agree, Zolo is definitely below Admiral level. I still see Zolo in the YC1 level. Maybe low YC1+. If he fights and defeats Lucci, it will show us how strong he fares against other YC1s ( I believe Lucci is a YC1 ).
Remember the Admirals also use swords so they can still put up a sword fight. I wouldnt necessarily call Kizaru or Aokiji or even Fuijitora swordsman though, but they do/can fight with swords so whatever.

Also Zolo > Kid or Law. And before people claim Kid can take away Zolo's swords, nah bro. Zolo's haki > Kid's DF.

 

[kkck]

I agree, Zolo is definitely below Admiral level. I still see Zolo in the YC1 level. Maybe low YC1+. If he fights and defeats Lucci, it will show us how strong he fares against other YC1s ( I believe Lucci is a YC1 ).
Remember the Admirals also use swords so they can still put up a sword fight. I wouldnt necessarily call Kizaru or Aokiji or even Fuijitora swordsman though, but they do/can fight with swords so whatever.

Also Zolo > Kid or Law. And before people claim Kid can take away Zolo's swords, nah bro. Zolo's haki > Kid's DF.

Lucci was able to take repeated hits from an awakened luffy. I doubt most yonko commanders can take that many hits from a yonko. I suppose there's a case for marco considering he stands out a fair bit among them and king exclusively in his absurd defense mode but katakuri or whoever stands in for BB's YC1 should be within one shot range. I don't see zoro winning against an admiral just yet but I am inclined to thinking admirals would take him more seriously than they would katakuri or king at least.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I agree, Zolo is definitely below Admiral level. I still see Zolo in the YC1 level. Maybe low YC1+. If he fights and defeats Lucci, it will show us how strong he fares against other YC1s ( I believe Lucci is a YC1 ).
Remember the Admirals also use swords so they can still put up a sword fight. I wouldnt necessarily call Kizaru or Aokiji or even Fuijitora swordsman though, but they do/can fight with swords so whatever.

Also Zolo > Kid or Law. And before people claim Kid can take away Zolo's swords, nah bro. Zolo's haki > Kid's DF.

Big Mom's haki>Kid's haki and Kid's magnetism still worked on her.

Stop the cap

 

[kkck]

Kidd's awakening is ridiculous power-wise. Kidd has basically no haki feats and hasn't evidenced high level haki but his awakening proved consistently able to damage big mom. Luffy needed at least internal damage haki for a yonko to feel his punches and law could do damage because he basically bypasses enemy defenses... Kidd's awakening dealing so much damage to yonko through raw strength even without the more advanced versions of haki at play is crazy. I suppose his rail gun could have been imbued with haki but the series does not do anything to confirm it. It's not a stretch that kidd's awakening hits as hard as any yonko.

 

[BlackTiger]

Lucci was able to take repeated hits from an awakened luffy. I doubt most yonko commanders can take that many hits from a yonko. I suppose there's a case for marco considering he stands out a fair bit among them and king exclusively in his absurd defense mode but katakuri or whoever stands in for BB's YC1 should be within one shot range. I don't see zoro winning against an admiral just yet but I am inclined to thinking admirals would take him more seriously than they would katakuri or king at least.

Tanking Kong Organ is much better feat than tanking basic punch CoA from Gear 5.

Basic CoA punch from gear 5 got stopped by awakened Lucci CoA punch.

Kong Organ at least overpowered Big Mom arm coated with haki.

In term of power Kong Organ that overpowered Big Mom arm coated with haki (rattlx sfx from Big Mom's arm implies she got overpowered)>>>basic CoA punch from Gear 5 that got stopped by awakened Lucci.

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I don't see zoro winning against an admiral just yet but I am inclined to thinking admirals would take him more seriously than they would katakuri or king at least.

Beating Zoro is much easier than beating Katakuri. None of the admirals bar Kizaru shows Snakeman speed so they can just hit Zoro and beat him. Magma fist will hit Zoro much easier. Kizaru laser will hit Zoro much easier since Zoro has lesser CoO. Aokiji would have a much easier time to freeze Zoro. Doing that to Katakuri is almost impossible. FS and Snakeman speed will make those attacks missing all the time.

 

[albertwv]

Big Mom's haki>Kid's haki and Kid's magnetism still worked on her.

Stop the cap

Big Mom was stupid for not using her haki, no cap. I dont know what happened there, but logically Kid should have not been able to harm BM without ACoC like luffy did to Kaido.
but Oda decided to handicap Big Mom just to move with the plot.

Aint no way that Zolo is losing his swords to Kid's magnetism. He lost them to King but after that he learn his lesson and used ACoA/ACoC to block and push King away. I could see Zolo using ACoA to stop Kid's magnetism.

Also can we stop hyping up Kid for taking a 1/3 part of the victory over BM. We saw how easily Shanks threw him ( and Killer ) down.
The whole BM defeat was thanks to Kid, Law, and plot convenience and let me tell you Plot convenience and Law did most of the fighting.

Im no Kid hater, on the other hand I like Kid and wished he was actually stronger and closer to strength with Luffy but Oda did him dirty and chose Law over Kid.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Big Mom's haki>Kid's haki and Kid's magnetism still worked on her.

Stop the cap

I think there is a difference in being effected by his DF vs he can take your swords away with his DF. Law showed that surging haki through your body can neutralize effects of DF. Swordsmen channel haki through their swords so that can be used to counteract Kid's basic magnetism. Now with his awakening it may require more haki but a swordsman of high caliber can also use brute strength too. In BMs case I also think that's how she kept Napolean most of the fight otherwise he should have been a non factor from start to end since he's metal.

 

[john ellis]

I have law, Kidd and zoro as somewhat even. Although I think Kidd and law probably would beat an admiral. And I have zoro losing to an admiral. Law and Kidd’s DF kinda then the slight edge. Although I could certainly see law and Kidd losing to zoro. I’m also assuming zoro’s friendship with his swords power of plots stops Kidd from taking his swords. Otherwise Kidd mid diff’d zoro

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I have law, Kidd and zoro as somewhat even. Although I think Kidd and law probably would beat an admiral. And I have zoro losing to an admiral. Law and Kidd’s DF kinda then the slight edge. Although I could certainly see law and Kidd losing to zoro. I’m also assuming zoro’s friendship with his swords power of plots stops Kidd from taking his swords. Otherwise Kidd mid diff’d zoro

No way Kid or Law would beat an Admiral. Admirals can take on a Yonko 1v1 and you'd question who would win depending on the match up. No matter who wins an Admiral vs Yonko in a 1v1 is hard diff fight. Kid & Law together could barely give a Yonko a hard diff 2 v 1 and in their 1v1 against a Yonko both got beaten easily. Heck Kid got one shot. Shanks could not do that to any Admiral.

 

[Fox666]

I have law, Kidd and zoro as somewhat even.

I used to think they are equals, but...

Law caused more damage to Big Mom

And Law managed to fight back against Blackbeard, even if he lost, it's nothing like Kidd being one-shot

 

[HereNThere]

To be fair, Law faced a Blackbeard who thought he had easy pickings because he ambushed him. Then he got hit by Law's awakening, which he wasn't aware of, and got chided by Auger for going in without proper prep.

Kid faced a Shanks who foresaw the damage he could inflict and went full throttle from the jump.

Blackbeard's arrogance provided an opening for Law to regain ground. Shanks gave Kidd no such opportunity.

As for the Haki situation, while it isn't highlighted, we have to assume that both Kidd and Law are decently strong when it comes to haki proficiency. As I've mentioned before, the fact that they could withstand blows from Big Mom without their heads being turned to mush implies that their armament is particularly strong.

Whether or not Kidd can take Zoro's swords is up in the air. Big Mom has superior haki to both, yet Kid's awakening still affected her directly. Awakening may have a unique relationship to haki, going by Lucci vs Sentomaru. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[john ellis]

No way Kid or Law would beat an Admiral. Admirals can take on a Yonko 1v1 and you'd question who would win depending on the match up. No matter who wins an Admiral vs Yonko in a 1v1 is hard diff fight. Kid & Law together could barely give a Yonko a hard diff 2 v 1 and in their 1v1against a Yonko both got beaten easily. Heck Kid got one shot. Shanks could not do that to any Admiral.

Shanks literally 0 shot and admiral.GB was scared away with his mere presence. So like I’m not entirely sure you can make that statement, law and Kidd are probably low yonko tiers and shanks and bb are high to low PK tier

Zoro’s swords are cursed kid taking them might be bad and he has power of friendship with his swords. Like I can see plot reasons why Kidd taking Zoro’s swords is more differcult then using DF on BM. Zoro’s haki is atleast comparable to a yonko’s in Raw strength, certainly not as deep though

 

[Pirate Queen]

Shanks literally 0 shot and admiral.GB was scared away with his mere presence. So like I’m not entirely sure you can make that statement, law and Kidd are probably low yonko tiers and shanks and bb are high to low PK tier

Zoro’s swords are cursed kid taking them might be bad and he has power of friendship with his swords. Like I can see plot reasons why Kidd taking Zoro’s swords is more differcult then using DF on BM. Zoro’s haki is atleast comparable to a yonko’s in Raw strength, certainly not as deep though

"It WaS tHe WhOLe CrEw NoT JuSt ShAnKs"

 

[kkck]

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Looking at that chapter, enels amaru form looks a bit like Luffys gear 4 and has the same scarf like thing. I doubt enels fruit is a hidden mythical zoan but I can't help but wonder if this is what a logias awakening looks like. I figured it'd be closer to what katakuri does but enel having awakening does fit. With enel it makes more sense that he made this form based on what some deities look like though.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I had thought Enel's thing was an awakening when the concept was more formally introduced with Doffy but after seeing Aramaki's Forrest Human form I changed my mind. When you think about it all logias have the ability to turn into an element but when fighting we usually see them just transform parts of their bodies at a time. Enel turning fully into lightning form was the first time we saw a logia user fully transform their whole body into their element. The next time we saw this happen was Caesar when he was first introduced where he looked like a weird ghost and recently with Aramaki turning into a Forrest Human.

I think as the story progresses we will see other logia users take on their elemental forms, especially if it suits combat. A logia awakening on the other hand has to be pretty large AOE by the looks of what happened on Punk Hazard. It probably also effects the environment like paramecia fruit. Whenever we get to see one it will probably be very OP on similar league as mythical zoan.

 

[LadyVados]

Fights between Admiral and Yonko fanboys are always entertaining since I don’t have any skin in the game because Mihawk is clear of both groups.

 

[albertwv]

Will Luffy finally use ACoC again versus Kizaru?
I remember somebody said Base Luffy with ACoC was strong enough to fight and defeat YC1s. Well it looks like here Luffy used Snakeman to fight Kizaru and lost. Now we'll see how G5 handles Kizaru.

For the record, I think G4/Snakeman is strong as YC1+ but (obviously) not Admiral level. Gear 2/3 is possible YC1 level and Base is YC4-3 level.

 

[kkck]

If we consider how aramaki performed against the scabbards then it's clear the implication is that admirals are a fair bit above YC1. WB pirates executives in turn seem well ahead of other yonko's executives all things considered. We saw marco holding off king and queen as well along with getting actual respect from big mom and 2 years earlier the gorosei thought he had a chance of halting BB's advance... Even katakuri didn't get any respect from big mom...

 

[Pirate Queen]

Will Luffy finally use ACoC again versus Kizaru?
I remember somebody said Base Luffy with ACoC was strong enough to fight and defeat YC1s. Well it looks like here Luffy used Snakeman to fight Kizaru and lost. Now we'll see how G5 handles Kizaru.

For the record, I think G4/Snakeman is strong as YC1+ but (obviously) not Admiral level. Gear 2/3 is possible YC1 level and Base is YC4-3 level.

Snakeman without ACoC can't be gauged fairly against Kizaru

When Snakeman with ACoC hit Kaido it stun locked him until he used future sight.

And Snakeman Luffy didn't lose. He took a hit. The barrier did more damage than Kizaru did.

If taking a hit means you lose, you have to review all clashes lol