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DAMN THATS EVEN SADDER OMG
You mean this one?Wait, what about the 4 evils page? That one was clearly unfinished
To me those lines prove that he's the 2nd unlikeliest to become an antagonist(after Purity incarnated Percy, of course), his anger is based in the creed that one should fulfill their promises and oaths and it makes sense, it goes perfectly with his experience with his parents' past( he was shown how they went through 3000 years of agony to fulfill their one promise and likely they also raised him to believe in keeping his word), and his dread at his darker, demonic inheritance(his grandfather used to cast soul-stripping curses, his father went a little bit too hard on getting his hands dirty for the sake of said promise between himself and Elizabeth, his own reason disconnects from his expression and actions when in DM)...it's Tristan stating the difference between himself and Percy. While Percy gave up, Tristan might've stepped into a stage of his life where he's working and fighting so hard his peers might fear he would burn himself out. It even sets the contrast between himself and Lancelot. Lancelot is more relaxed and casual when fighting and training, Tristan is high strung and intense.I keep saying that among the four he has the greatest potential to turn into a temporary antagonist, but people prefer Evil Lancelot theories .
Don't know why the page with Lancelot and Gawain from the two series didn't load on my phone. That's cool.
I can't agree with you to be honest.To me those lines prove that he's the 2nd unlikeliest to become an antagonist(after Purity incarnated Percy, of course), his anger is based in the creed that one should fulfill their promises and oaths and it makes sense, it goes perfectly with his experience with his parents' past( he was shown how they went through 3000 years of agony to fulfill their one promise and likely they also raised him to believe in keeping his word), and his dread at his darker, demonic inheritance(his grandfather used to cast soul-stripping curses, his father went a little bit too hard on getting his hands dirty for the sake of said promise between himself and Elizabeth, his own reason disconnects from his expression and actions when in DM)...it's Tristan stating the difference between himself and Percy. While Percy gave up, Tristan might've stepped into a stage of his life where he's working and fighting so hard his peers might fear he would burn himself out. It even sets the contrast between himself and Lancelot. Lancelot is more relaxed and casual when fighting and training, Tristan is high strung and intense.
And while Lancelot closed off for a while(2 months, 2 years, whichever), I believe Tristan took on even more work...this would also bring in more work and incentives to mature (further) for those who were( growing) close to him, Isolde, Chion, Gawain. Besides, Lancelot's contact with Percy and his platoon for the time they traveled together and his interaction with various peers of Arthur's could make him look for the middle ground( remember, from the "good guys"' pov, the Knights' themes are the opposite of the traditional ones Arthur's camp claims they have). So even if he's to "betray", I suspect it would be for the sake of bridging the gap and finding a solution that would both make Percy proud, and save all those he cares about, in a better way than open war does.
Which, btw, means that Tristan's theme is to revolve around healing...purifying...something like that...and maybe Gawain's is bounty/abundence(she's gifted, so that works)
Also, one-shot still means one attack and you can't come back to fight. Please stop stirring up my PTSD at facing off heavy cashers in mmorpg pvp
Tristan is already taller than Meliodas. He definitely didn't inherit from his dad when it comes to height(Meliodas's growth is strange to begin with).Damn, the remaining mystery knight is huge. Isn't Ironside above 1,80 m in height? Bertolepe is at least half a head taller than him and even he is dwarved by the unknown "white" knight. Guy (or girl) gotta be well above 2,00 meters. Not that those are big numbers considering some of the freak builds even baseline humans have in this universe but seeing them side by side makes it so glaringly obvious.
If that person turns out to be Tristan's opponent and Tris suffers from his dad's midget genetics, it will look rather hilarious.
Tristan is a straitlaced guy. He is saying that Percival betrayed his father's trust by leaving like that. I said before that I think he is the most likely to become a temporary antagonist because of his Demon powers and negative emotions. In this same arc he told Chion to shut up and that they would defeat Arthur because that's their duty. Antagonist or not, I can see a potential conflict with Percival once he returns, I wouldn't be surprised if he were the one with theTo me those lines prove that he's the 2nd unlikeliest to become an antagonist(after Purity incarnated Percy, of course), his anger is based in the creed that one should fulfill their promises and oaths and it makes sense, it goes perfectly with his experience with his parents' past( he was shown how they went through 3000 years of agony to fulfill their one promise and likely they also raised him to believe in keeping his word), and his dread at his darker, demonic inheritance(his grandfather used to cast soul-stripping curses, his father went a little bit too hard on getting his hands dirty for the sake of said promise between himself and Elizabeth, his own reason disconnects from his expression and actions when in DM)...it's Tristan stating the difference between himself and Percy. While Percy gave up, Tristan might've stepped into a stage of his life where he's working and fighting so hard his peers might fear he would burn himself out. It even sets the contrast between himself and Lancelot. Lancelot is more relaxed and casual when fighting and training, Tristan is high strung and intense.
And while Lancelot closed off for a while(2 months, 2 years, whichever), I believe Tristan took on even more work...this would also bring in more work and incentives to mature (further) for those who were( growing) close to him, Isolde, Chion, Gawain. Besides, Lancelot's contact with Percy and his platoon for the time they traveled together and his interaction with various peers of Arthur's could make him look for the middle ground( remember, from the "good guys"' pov, the Knights' themes are the opposite of the traditional ones Arthur's camp claims they have). So even if he's to "betray", I suspect it would be for the sake of bridging the gap and finding a solution that would both make Percy proud, and save all those he cares about, in a better way than open war does.
Which, btw, means that Tristan's theme is to revolve around healing...purifying...something like that...and maybe Gawain's is bounty/abundence(she's gifted, so that works)
Also, one-shot still means one attack and you can't come back to fight. Please stop stirring up my PTSD at facing off heavy cashers in mmorpg pvp
I know he resembles her, but Tristan looks so much like Elizabeth on the redrawn page that you could tell me that Elizabeth's face was photoshopped on him and I could believe it.Oops, I didn't notice the difference on Tristan's page on the first check. I've included both the magazine and the volume versions as well as a couple of other pages including the one we saw here.
He's such a queen, insaneI know he resembles her, but Tristan looks so much like Elizabeth on the redrawn page that you could tell me that Elizabeth's face was photoshopped on him and I could believe it.
He was a NEET for a while, his father confirmed it, complete with visual memories of him just sitting in his room, face to the wall, the way depressed people signal through body language that they don't want others talking to them. I don't believe it was for 2 years either, it's just that I can't stop being bothered with the long timeskip and how awkward it's going to make the characterisation from now on. I've debated this before, not doing it again till we can actually see how weird it will be to see the mains with the X or Y development, or without any whatsoever. We already see that Anne and Donny have only developed ability/power-wise, there's no change to their dynamic or their personalities, so there's one point on Nakaba "freezing" their personalities over the 2 years, in a stage of life where people go through the most changes, physically, mentally, emotionally. And I never said he would go "evil", only an antagonist, and even argued that he would do so out of the desire to do good by his loved ones. You're again mixing up concepts. People and characters can make evil mistakes/choices without being inherently or overall evil, and I already mentioned in the post you quoted that he might join Arthur on a solo, self-imposed intel-gathering quest and mission to help his loved ones from the inside. I can see this as his own take on Percy's pov, who he's apparently matched as closest in terms of friendship, or so some of you see it.The fact that Lancelot is sad about the loss of Percival (but this does not mean that he shut himself away for two months, two years, etc... as you say) only confirms the extent of Lancelot's pride in his companions and his concern for him, so i do not see how this could make him turn evil side with the person who hurt his dears peoples
By the way Anne and Donny's characters, and even personal dynamic, stayed unchanged for 2 years, they were all NEETs, training in their remote spaces solely to upgrade their powers.I can see a potential conflict with Percival once he returns, I wouldn't be surprised if he were the one with theDragon HandlePercival Sword now. Maybe he named it Meliodas or something .
Again, I can't believe that Lancelot stayed a NEET for 2 whole years. That's just too much.
Same with the Demon Mode Tristan while fighting Arthur... Nakaba took an image of Mel( forgot from which battle, against Hendy or the TCs), changed the clothes, added one more sword, changed the demon mark and added Elizabeth's long hair. But it's the exact same stance( I recall Mel took it after being attacked into doing the Matrix back bend, just not against whom, it might've been Hendy when he got angry that he "killed" Hawk...not sure), and it's the exact same glare.I know he resembles her, but Tristan looks so much like Elizabeth on the redrawn page that you could tell me that Elizabeth's face was photoshopped on him and I could believe it.
It was only at the moment of his return home that a very short time had passed since Percival's death, so i see no reason to believe that he continued for a long time after that.He was a NEET for a while, his father confirmed it, complete with visual memories of him just sitting in his room, face to the wall, the way depressed people signal through body language that they don't want others talking to them
The point here is that there is no convincing reason that justifies anyone cooperating with the person he hates the most, who wants to destroy all of Britannia and eliminate his loved ones.I already mentioned in the post you quoted that he might join Arthur on a solo, self-imposed intel-gathering quest and mission to help his loved ones from the inside
Making mistakes is not the same as joining an enemy that wants to eliminate everything precious that you love but that you will not benefit fromwhether you like it or not, and in my opinion having imperfections is good, it makes him more real and believable. And by extension, more likable. As i said, I don't like Gary Stu's. Don't want him to be one.
Read thereply I gave Demonspeed again, I explained to both of you why I think that Lance, Donny AND Anne act like they have been isolated for 2 years, even if I know he must've gone out and done stuff after a while. My point is that he was depressed for enough of a while to upset his father even 2 years later.It was only at the moment of his return home that a very short time had passed since Percival's death, so i see no reason to believe that he continued for a long time after that.
Getting intel from the inside; being physicially close enough to extract Guinevere and Jericho( he swore he would save both); being physically close enough to twart as much of Artur's plans as possible, should I go on? Of the 4 he is the only one with enough self-control to play a role he doesn't want to.The point here is that there is no convincing reason that justifies anyone cooperating with the person he hates the most, who wants to destroy all of Britannia and eliminate his loved ones.
Lancelot will not benefit from any cooperation with Arthur, especially since Arthur seeks to destroy and eliminate everything that is precious to Lancelot.
So Meliodas is evil because he joined Zeldris, Chandler and Cusack and was around them when they were committing huge crimes against the humans of Britannia, sacrificing whomever they were able to catch to the portal meant for the DK?Making mistakes is not the same as joining an enemy that wants to eliminate everything precious that you love but that you will not benefit from
In addition, you rejected the idea of Demonspeed that Tristan would do bad or wrong things, even when he had bigger reasons and a more able personality tendency to fall into darkness, just because you believed that Tristan is a man of principles could not make that mistakes, but now you say that Lancelot should make heinous crimes and mistakes that will benefit him nothing just to not become Gary Stu?
Do you know what a double agent is?The point here is that there is no convincing reason that justifies anyone cooperating with the person he hates the most, who wants to destroy all of Britannia and eliminate his loved ones.
Lancelot will not benefit from any cooperation with Arthur, especially since Arthur seeks to destroy and eliminate everything that is precious to Lancelot.
Should've said it like this, thanks for gutting to the chase.Do you know what a double agent is?
No worries. I just thought "what Undina describes is very similar to what the work of political double agents entails" and went with that.Should've said it like this, thanks for gutting to the chase.
I've been trying to find the angle from which that vision is possible enough to scare Guinevere senseless, but also for Guin to start trying to help them as well. Arthur not being romantically interested in her would leave enough room for her and Lance to get in contact sooner and more often and for her to warn him, if Gawain is not a possible route and she's in Annwfn. The spearman in the vision could also be his "clone", but I'm iffy about him already existing. And the need for callousness is why I think Lance is the only option, Gawain is arrogant on he surface, but much softer inside, and too traumatised by Arthur to properly face him on such a quest. She's better off figuring her past by looking for Merlin. Tristan is unstable in demon mode, but still too clingy onto his self-righteousness, Percy's on timeout. And lance is vindictive. And Arthur might recognise him/his game but still enjoy playing the game with him from up closeA double agent doesn't merely play at pretend. If push comes to shove, this role may entail taking actions (or omitting some) that can actually cost the life of the true ally. All just to keep up appearances and protect the mission. It is not an unrealistic scenario to even assume that under said guise, Lancelot may be forced to kill his father in a fight if it means gaining something crucial in the long run (such as protecting Guinevere. Or Britania as a whole).
I think with time more will be revealed about how Arthur actually constructs Camelot and all its wonders and it sure as hell won't just be a magical transference of landmass. It will envolve something on a massive scale that is highly repulsive, abhorrent and amoral. Like, for example, having to use the souls of the dead as a catalyst to bind people to the reanimated people that inhabit Camelot or something of that sort.I've been trying to find the angle from which that vision is possible enough to scare Guinevere senseless, but also for Guin to start trying to help them as well. Arthur not being romantically interested in her would leave enough room for her and Lance to get in contact sooner and more often and for her to warn him, if Gawain is not a possible route and she's in Annwfn. The spearman in the vision could also be his "clone", but I'm iffy about him already existing. And the need for callousness is why I think Lance is the only option, Gawain is arrogant on he surface, but much softer inside, and too traumatised by Arthur to properly face him on such a quest. She's better off figuring her past by looking for Merlin. Tristan is unstable in demon mode, but still too clingy onto his self-righteousness, Percy's on timeout. And lance is vindictive. And Arthur might recognise him/his game but still enjoy playing the game with him from up close
It doesn't make sense for any of them to just stay training for 2 years without taking action. Anne and Donny clearly have more experience as Holy Knights. Timeskips in battle shonen are usually mostly for power ups yes, but I don't see why you'd expect their dynamic to change? Anne and Donny didn't really have a complicated relationship. And there are changes, Donny is a lot more courageous than before, he would have never faced Bertolepe like that two years ago.By the way Anne and Donny's characters, and even personal dynamic, stayed unchanged for 2 years, they were all NEETs, training in their remote spaces solely to upgrade their powers.
I don't get why you can say that Tristan can't hold grudges and is able to just forget the past when it took him several years, countless pep talks then one more from Gawain specifically to get over his Nephilim issue and he believes that Meliodas doesn't trust him. Besides physical ressemblance, the only big similarity he has with Elizabeth is that he is kind of an airhead. But yes, it's not something which is going to last once they meet again.I can see the same argument/confrontation we had between Mel and King once King had his "Captain is a demon" suspicions confirmed happening upon Percy's return, with the event developments in reverse to those of Nanatsu no Taizai. There King started suspecting Mel and questioned Ban, stayed around for the Liones crisis to help everyone and especially Diane, plus stop Helbram, went away for a while and had his separate arc, when he came back confronted Mel in the Istar cave, but fully relented once he saw that Mel was also a pariah to his people and died trying to stop them. But here we have he result of the 2nd Vaizel festival and the anger trigger rolled up into one(because of how the death happened), and so I think they'll merely fight a little once they're reunited, maybe even physically, and give us a show of their latest hierarchic dynamic. But Tristan having a lot of Elizabeth's moral traits, he won't stay angry or distant past that, and Percy is... Percy. We should've had the separate/away arc/s in these 2 years, but we didn't. So strap in for however Nakaba's gonna kick everyone out of the stasis.
I talked about that possibility before but if it were to happen Lancelot would probably use another persona. He wouldn't openly appear to the others as "Lancelot". It's still less likely than the possibilities with the two others IMO. I have been expecting that kind of scenario anyway(Lancelot using another persona to inflitrate Camelot and meet Guinevere and/or Jericho). The two others can still be used as temporary antagonists for the reasons mentioned before(Tristan's overwhelming PoD and Gawain's ties with Camot). But now I feel like temporary antagonist Gawain is far less likely to happen because it's been teased enough and I feel like it wouldn't fit well considering her development and personality.Do you know what a double agent is?
I don't feel "antagonist" Gawain will happen either, not in the typical sense of the word. However there is a possibility that during the series she may become complacent if Arthur figures out what would make her truly happy. Then she may just lose her drive and be utterly passive. Her giving up on her role and settling for a happy life is arguably worse than being an antagonist because it would utterly sap her will to fight at all. Regardless of her alignment, it would simply take her off the playing field.I talked about that possibility before but if it were to happen Lancelot would probably use another persona. He wouldn't openly appear to the others as "Lancelot". It's still less likely than the possibilities with the two others IMO. I have been expecting that kind of scenario anyway(Lancelot using another persona to inflitrate Camelot and meet Guinevere and/or Jericho). The two others can still be used as temporary antagonists for the reasons mentioned before(Tristan's overwhelming PoD and Gawain's ties with Camot). But now I feel like temporary antagonist Gawain is far less likely to happen because it's been teased enough and I feel like it wouldn't fit well considering her development and personality.