One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[I Am Atomic]

Usopp fishman opponent in Arlong Park arc

So according to you, Arlong Pirates is comparable to Roger Pirates? I compared Big Mom pirates and Beast Pirates. They have a similar set up when it comes to crew dynamics.

So, no. Not the same argument.

 

[BlackTiger]

So according to you, Arlong Pirates is comparable to Roger Pirates? I compared Big Mom pirates and Beast Pirates. They have a similar set up when it comes to crew dynamics.

So, no. Not the same argument.

Similar set up=/=similar power level. If you disagree prove it.

Yeah they are comparable.

Usopp=Franky
Chou=Sakaki
Roger=Daifuku

Usopp beating Chou doesn't put him above Roger the same way Franky beating Sakaki doesn'tput him above Daifuku.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Similar set up=/=similar power level. If you disagree prove it.

Yeah they are comparable.

Usopp=Franky
Chou=Sakaki
Roger=Daifuku

Usopp beating Chou doesn't put him above Roger the same way Franky beating Sakaki doesn'tput him above Daifuku.

WHAT?

okay i admit defeat

 

[BlackTiger]

WHAT?

okay i admit defeat

That how you argue though. You claimed Franky can beat Daifuku because Franky beat Sakaki. Ignoring how Daifuku overpowered someone much stronger than current Franky (WCI Sanji).

Your next argument is BMP and BP have similar structure so Flying Six=BMP veterans in power level.

I asked you to prove it but you chose to decline and put laughing emoji instead.

If similar set up=similar power level then why did Oda have

Daifuku ragdolled WCI Sanji. Franky beat Sakaki. If similar set up=similar power level then Sakaki should be beaten by someone comparable to WCI Sanji not by someone like Franky.

Perospero being portrayed as Jack tier also debunks your entire argument. Oda could have chosen Smoothie to have a beef with mink but he chose Peropero isntead. Perospero should be beaten by someone as strong as Jinbe but he got beaten by someone equal to Jack's opponent instead. It's like oda was yelling at you that BMP veterans>>>Flying Six becaue similar set up=/=similar power level.

 

[McNuss]

Franky Shogun and Franky are two different models of Battle Franky and should thus be treated as separate characters for all things concerning powerlevels anyways.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Toei's love of Zoro must be waning.

They had Zoro "Oden's haki diff" the water orb with Enma.

Was it necessary? Mods please make a poll

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Toei's love of Zoro must be waning.

They had Zoro "Oden's haki diff" the water orb with Enma.

Was it necessary? Mods please make a poll

Lol I'll take the bait. Yes it was necessary.

Post TB once Zoro mastered Shusui he was using it for all his Ittoryu techniques. This was particularly prevalent in post TS. In Wano Zoro replaced it with Enma which is arguably his best individual sword, especially for offense. So from now one I'd say expect him to use Enma for all Ittoryu techniques no matter how small the need.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Lol I'll take the bait. Yes it was necessary.

Post TB once Zoro mastered Shusui he was using it for all his Ittoryu techniques. This was particularly prevalent in post TS. In Wano Zoro replaced it with Enma which is arguably his best individual sword, especially for offense. So from now one I'd say expect him to use Enma for all Ittoryu techniques no matter how small the need.

Please don't take the bait I can't defend my point

Never the less I want the poll

Zoro staring down at Enma: "Please lend me Oden's haki, ENMA! THIS IS BASE ROB LUCCI WE ARE FIGHTING!!!!"

 

[Rein Avara]

Never the less I want the poll

 

[Pirate Queen]

Fear is the enemy of the brave. Do what the other mods cannot

Post. The. Poll

 

[Rein Avara]

Fear is the enemy of the brave. Do what the other mods cannot

Post. The. Poll

 

[XXGenesis]

Franky Shogun and Franky are two different models of Battle Franky and should thus be treated as separate characters for all things concerning powerlevels anyways.

They aren’t separate characters….face palm.

Shogun Franky is simply a giant Mech suit that Franky can use to increase certain abilities. It’s been used numerous times so it cannot be discounted when talking about Franky’s overall capabilities…..

@Pirate Queen Why don’t you write your grievances to Toei? Think most of the fandom has matured from characters having or not having hype portals and being upset about it lol. It’s 2024 come on just become a Zoro fan. Us Sanji haters love Sanji now lml

 

[Pirate Queen]

They aren’t separate characters….face palm.

Shogun Franky is simply a giant Mech suit that Franky can use to increase certain abilities. It’s been used numerous times so it cannot be discounted when talking about Franky’s overall capabilities…..

@Pirate Queen Why don’t you write your grievances to Toei? Think most of the fandom has matured from characters having or not having hype portals and being upset about it lol. It’s 2024 come on just become a Zoro fan. Us Sanji haters love Sanji now lml

If you saw my house you'd swear I'd already was a zoro fan. My partner literally sleeps with a Zoro body pillow ever night . I have to drink out of a zoro coffee mug sometimes. When I watch TV there is a metal Zoro poster right beside it. I have zoro towels and Zoro stickers on my car.

I come here to vent

 

[XXGenesis]

If you saw my house you'd swear I'd already was a zoro fan. My partner literally sleeps with a Zoro body pillow ever night . I have to drink out of a zoro coffee mug sometimes. When I watch TV there is a metal Zoro poster right beside it. I have zoro towels and Zoro stickers on my car.

I come here to vent

Well damn. Don’t let me stop

 

[BlackTiger]

Is base Luffy faster than Zoro?

Base Luffy and Zoro started their blitz at the same time

Spoiler

By the time Luffy already blitzed Holdem and snatched Tama, Zoro just started blitzing Speed

Spoiler

It's also obvious with Holdem and Speed confused reaction order. Holdem had that confused reaction when Luffy blitzed him and snatched Tama away.

Spoiler

Afterward Speed had that confused reaction when Zoro blitzed her and at this time Luffy already blitzed Holdem and Snatched Tama away from Holdem.

Spoiler

The order is like this if Oda shows Luffy and Zoro blitzed Holdem and Speed in the same panel.

Spoiler

It's like base Luffy is much faster than Zoro.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro's speed comes from his reaction time, not his base top speed

 

[Core D. Roy]

Is base Luffy faster than Zoro?

Starting with Wano, Oda basically threw out trying to differentiate "base Luffy" from G2.

 

[BlackTiger]

Starting with Wano, Oda basically threw out trying to differentiate "base Luffy" from G2.

Luffy was in base when he blitzed Holdem. No steam coming out of his body therefore Luffy was in base. Gear 2 Luffy will be much faster

 

[McNuss]

The WG has to win here or the story stops making sense.

If Luffy can just random wtf shit Yolo bonkadoodle through this force, there is no need for any Pirate King.

Yeah, all of kaido's and big mom's top executives were portrayed as stronger than doflamingo.

Naaah.

Cracker was omegalul stall guy. As soon as the armor was gone he didn't manage to do shit against Luffy ever again. He's a swordsmen but any real swordmen of his level like Zoro (pre Wano) would defeat him in one swing. Cracker explicitly stated he can't stand pain, he's half naked and even a trillion cookie soldiers wouldn't stop a swing from Zoro.

Doflamingo takes any cookie soldiers with parasite. Easy win low diff.

Jack is just Patchwerk from Naxxramas. A "gearcheck" encounter. Just giant HP nothing special. His durability is insane but Doflamingo shreds this guy low diff. Doflamingo's offensive combat specialty is amputation he is Law's evil twin power wise.

Even Queen is debatable. Beyond the plagues he is Jack with laser beams. Counting the plagues he kills anyone but Doc Q but I think one just shouldn't.

And Smoothie has no features.

And Marineford had Doflamingo > Jozu. Jozu also not too special in his feats.

YC tiers have always been shit for powerscaling. We are dealing with Admirals, Yonko, the Gorosei and a freaking Sun God can we stop sticking to YC as measurement sticks for anything?

The terms never even matched for the organizations that were supposed to be reflected in it.

 

[BlackTiger]

No chance Cracker was stronger than Mingo. Cracker just had a DF ability that soon as SH found out its weakness it was game over. In a sense he was not any more special than Sugar.

There isn’t any indication that King/Queen/Jack was stronger than Mingo either. The only one I would for certain put above Mingo is Katakuri. Katakuri was stronger than the base regular G4 Luffy.

Feat wise, Cracker did better than Doflamingo against Boundman.

Portrayal wise, Cracker knew Luffy beat Doflamingo

yet he still was confident that Luffy cannot beat him.

Big Mom sent Cracker to capture Luffy knowing thqt Luffy beat Doflamingo.

Feat and portrayal heavily favour Cracker. Cracker at best is as strong as Doflamingo or above Doflamingo.

Cracker's df weakness is water. Every df weakness is water. If Nami weren't in WCI, nobody can soften Cracker's biscuit soldier. If Nami were in Dressrosa during Doflamingo fight, Nami can soften Doflamingo's string which will help Luffy greatly to help DOflamingo.

Yeah, all of kaido's top executives were portrayed as stronger than doflamingo.

DO you have any panels that suggest Queen and Jack are above Doflamingo? Are you mistaking Cracker with Queen and Jack? So far only Cracker non YC1 who is portrayed on Doflamingo's level. Why are you making things up?

Doflamingo far outperformed Queen in beating Sanji.
MF Crocodile without haki who was portrayed equal with Doflamingo squared up with Mihawk 1 of the strongest top tier while Queen got KOed by non haki Big Mom.

Putting Queen and Jack on par let alone above Doflamingo is a disrespect.

Infact I’d argue even Jack was portrayed higher than doffy. Queen is naturally stronger than Jack. He just got plotted, and Sanjai is probably stronger than any yc2. I think this is clear evidence of the warlords being retconned to being about yc1.

Never happened. Queen got Koed by non haki Big Mom while non haki Crocodile who was portrayed equal with non haki Doflamingo squared up with Mihawk.

Mihawk>>>non haki Big Mom.

I think this is clear evidence of the warlords being retconned to being about yc1. Like boa’s 1.6b and crocodiles 1.9 bil are not justified bounties.

There's no clear evidence you are just underestimating Cracker. Instead of elevating Cracker for being portrayed as strong as a warlord, you are making random assumptions that warlords level are retconnected.

Warlords are already portrayed that strong in MF. Oda comparing Cracker to them only elevates Cracker. Not dehype warlords. Squaring with Mihawk without using haki>>>getting KOed by non haki Big Mom.