One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[kkck]

Welp, franky can take on pirates worth upward of 400 mil but crocodile is a logia user.. I would think franky doesn't appreciate sand getting into his gears. It's also unclear what franky could do to a logia. Maybe his laser melts sand into glass and that hurts crocodile?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Welp, franky can take on pirates worth upward of 400 mil but crocodile is a logia user.. I would think franky doesn't appreciate sand getting into his gears. It's also unclear what franky could do to a logia. Maybe his laser melts sand into glass and that hurts crocodile?

Franky can spray his cola at croc

 

[BlackTiger]

Welp, franky can take on pirates worth upward of 400 mil but crocodile is a logia user.. I would think franky doesn't appreciate sand getting into his gears. It's also unclear what franky could do to a logia. Maybe his laser melts sand into glass and that hurts crocodile?

Daifuku washes current Franky. I don't think current Franky can ragdoll WCI Sanji like Daifuku did

 

[I Am Atomic]

Daifuku washes current Franky. I don't think current Franky can ragdoll WCI Sanji like Daifuku did

Ministers of Big Mom Pirates are like Headliners in Kaido's crew. Daifuku and Oven are the strongest Ministers, just like the Tobi Roppo are the strongest headliners. If Franky was able to defeat Sasaki (top 6 headliner) then Dafiuku is not washing Franky.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Daifuku washes current Franky. I don't think current Franky can ragdoll WCI Sanji like Daifuku did

No way you believe this bro.

Current Franky handles Daifuku high diff

 

[kkck]

Ministers of Big Mom Pirates are like Headliners in Kaido's crew. Daifuku and Oven are the strongest Ministers, just like the Tobi Roppo are the strongest headliners. If Franky was able to defeat Sasaki (top 6 headliner) then Dafiuku is not washing Franky.

In kaido's crew positions were assigned based on combat prowess but I don't think that's the case in big mom's crew. I am not sure that strength is much of a factor in being a minister. Pudding was a candidate for minister of chocolate and her combat prowess was not significant. Ministers also rule over specific islands and have culinary expertise associated to them. Chiffon was also a minister and she sucks. I think totto land administrative positions were distinct from roles in her crew. We ultimately know who her top executives are from context rather than them having a distinct strength based position. As in, minister is not necessarily the same as being an officer in her crew. We even see the sweet commanders (big mom's top combatants) also having minister jobs (as in ruling over specific islands). We know who her top executives are either because we were specifically told or because of context.

 

[I Am Atomic]

In kaido's crew positions were assigned based on combat prowess but I don't think that's the case in big mom's crew. I am not sure that strength is much of a factor in being a minister. Pudding was a candidate for minister of chocolate and her combat prowess was not significant. Ministers also rule over specific islands and have culinary expertise associated to them. Chiffon was also a minister and she sucks. I think totto land administrative positions were distinct from roles in her crew. We ultimately know who her top executives are from context rather than them having a distinct strength based position. As in, minister is not necessarily the same as being an officer in her crew. We even see the sweet commanders (big mom's top combatants) also having minister jobs (as in ruling over specific islands). We know who her top executives are either because we were specifically told or because of context.

Fair, I agree Ministers are not focused on strength, but when we get to the strongest, it does match with what Kaido has. Yes, sweet commanders are Ministers but Headliners (Tobi Roppo) can be Calamities/All stars too so that doesn't change anything. Kaido said that the Tobi Roppo can fight All stars for their position.

 

[kkck]

Fair, I agree Ministers are not focused on strength, but when we get to the strongest, it does match with what Kaido has. Yes, sweet commanders are Ministers but Headliners (Tobi Roppo) can be Calamities/All stars too so that doesn't change anything. Kaido said that the Tobi Roppo can fight All stars for their position.

As far as I understand kaido's crew a tobiropo can't be a calamity. Rather, a tobiropo would get promoted to calamity. Which is fairly different from how a someone in big mom's crew can be both ministers and sweet commander.

 

[I Am Atomic]

As far as I understand kaido's crew a tobiropo can't be a calamity. Rather, a tobiropo would get promoted to calamity. Which is fairly different from how a someone in big mom's crew can be both ministers and sweet commander.

Yeah that's what I meant sorry. I am not trying to get an identical comparison. My point was that Daifuku and Sasaki can be classed on the same tier if we compare BMP and BP.

 

[kkck]

Yeah, their positions in the crew are likely about comparable. No idea of how the tobiropo compare to big mom's executives though (perospero, snack, oven, daifuki, compote). I am inclined to thinking the tobiropo sucked but I have no idea of what oda intended for any of these folk strength wise.

 

[McNuss]

As far as Oda intends, Tamago is stronger than Daifuku.

 

[BlackTiger]

Ministers of Big Mom Pirates are like Headliners in Kaido's crew. Daifuku and Oven are the strongest Ministers, just like the Tobi Roppo are the strongest headliners. If Franky was able to defeat Sasaki (top 6 headliner) then Dafiuku is not washing Franky.

No they aren't. Daifuku ragdolled Sanji throughout WCI. Sakaki got bodied by Franky. WCI Sanji>>>current Franky. Daifuku>>>Sakaki. Thinking current Franky>Daifuku is no different than thinking current Franky>WCI Sanji. Franky didn't get power up. Onigashima Franky is Franky who used everything in his arsenal. So there's no reason to think that current Franky>Daifuku.

No way you believe this bro.

Current Franky handles Daifuku high diff

Just because Franky beat Sakaki doesn't mean Franky beats Daifuku because that's no different than thinking current Franky>WCI Sanji.

Daifuku mid diffs current Franky imo.

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. No idea of how the tobiropo compare to big mom's executives though (perospero, snack, oven, daifuki, compote).

That's like saying you have no idea how Usopp is compared to Roger. Perospero and Daifuku feats makes this question unnecessary

 

[I Am Atomic]

Thinking current Franky>Daifuku is no different than thinking current Franky>WCI Sanji.

yes! If Sanji couldn't beat BM's top officer but Franky could then yes. The bounty increase just says it all.

However, it is not a fair comparison since Sanji's fight wasn't a proper 1v1 like Franky's was.

 

[BlackTiger]

yes! If Sanji couldn't beat BM's top officer but Franky could then yes. The bounty increase just says it all.

However, it is not a fair comparison since Sanji's fight wasn't a proper 1v1 like Franky's was.

If you replace Daifuku with current Franky, Sanji destroys current Franky whether it is a proper 1 o 1 fight or not. That how tough Daifuju was. He managed to get the upper hand over Sanji throughout their exchange. Current Franky gets destroyed by Daifuku or WCI Sanji.

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The bounty increase just says it all.

His bounty increase was due to inflation. Usopp who didn't do anything had higher bounty than Franky. This is a poor counter argument.

 

[I Am Atomic]

If you replace Daifuku with current Franky, Sanji destroys current Franky whether it is a proper 1 o 1 fight or not. That how tough Daifuju was. He managed to get the upper hand over Sanji throughout their exchange. Current Franky gets destroyed by Daifuku or WCI Sanji.

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His bounty increase was due to inflation. Usopp who didn't do anything had higher bounty than Franky. This is a poor counter argument.

Like I said, Franky defeated a top officer in Kaido's crew, and Daifuku is a top officer in BM's crew. So, their power level is similar. It's irrelevant whether Sanji struggled against Daifuku or not.

Confrontations vs 1v1 are not the same. Poor argument from you.

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is bounty increase was due to inflation. Usopp who didn't do anything had higher bounty than Franky. This is a poor counter argument.

If you cannot tell the difference between gag bounty increase vs actual bounty increase due to strength then there is no point in discussion. Usopp didn't do anything from readers pov, but according to the Marines, he defeated 2 tobi roppo.

 

[BlackTiger]

Like I said, Franky defeated a top officer in Kaido's crew, and Daifuku is a top officer in BM's crew. So, their power level is similar. It's irrelevant whether Sanji struggled against Daifuku or not.

Confrontations vs 1v1 are not the same. Poor argument from you.

Franky beating Sakaki only makes Sakaki looks bad not make Franky above Daifuku because there is no statement in the manga that Sakaki is as strong as Daifuku.

The only way you can make an argument Franky can beat Daifuku is if Franky beats someone or shows good feats against someone who has fought Daifuku like Sanji.

Equal position=/=equal power level.

Sakaki abysmal portrayal doesn't carry over to Daifuku. It only makes Sakaki portrayal even more garbage.

Sanji fought Daifuku 1 on 1 unfortunatrey Sanji cannot do anything to him.

Try a better argumenr. Your argument is laughable.

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If you cannot tell the difference between gag bounty increase vs actual bounty increase due to strength then there is no point in discussion. Usopp didn't do anything from readers pov, but according to the Marines, he defeated 2 tobi roppo.

Brook only beat a number he also got 300 million boost so once again a poor argument from you,

 

[I Am Atomic]

The only way you can make an argument Franky can beat Daifuku is if Franky beats someone or shows good feats against someone who has fought Daifuku like Sanji.

No. That's how YOU make a point but that's not the only way.

Your argument is laughable.

At least made you laugh.

Brook only beat a number he also got 300 million boost so once again a poor argument from you,

He beat a number? I don't remember that. Like I said, it's what is reported back to the Marines or whoever that place bounties. Brook was one of the reason why CP0 couldn't catch Robin.

Gonna stop here btw. In my opinion I think Franky will defeat Daifuku. I know I can be wrong so feel free to think otherwise.

 

[BlackTiger]

No. That's how YOU make a point but that's not the only way.



At least made you laugh.



He beat a number? I don't remember that. Like I said, it's what is reported back to the Marines or whoever that place bounties. Brook was one of the reason why CP0 couldn't catch Robin.

Gonna stop here btw. In my opinion I think Franky will defeat Daifuku. I know I can be wrong so feel free to think otherwise.

That not how you make a point. Beating x doesn't mean you can beat y when y already fought equally with someone much stronger than you for example z. If you show good feat against z then yes you can make an argument you can beat y.


CP0 cannot catch Robin because of Izo Drake Apoo.

Franky needs to prove he can beat WCI sanji first then you can make a point current Franky can beat Daifuku. Currently Daifuku washes Franky.

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Usopp beats Chou means Usopp can beat Roger? Your argument sounds like that.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Usopp beats Chou means Usopp can beat Roger? Your argument sounds like that.

who is Chou?

 

[BlackTiger]

who is Chou?

Usopp fishman opponent in Arlong Park arc