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It's about how it precipitated. If you read the article about the Embassy's lobbying for TikTok they were trying to be overly reassuring that the Party has no connections to the company, which is just completely false.
hhhhmmmm, yeah, you are right. It's one thing to act on behalf of your country and it's another that said country's embassy shows up and says such an obvious and brazen lie. I can't help but picture the chinese going "huh, so they aren't dumb enough to buy this".
 

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This.... so many times over. I've said it before but to me it's scary that even with those glaringly obvious truths there's so many folk out there who are against the ban. I am by no means a nationalist of any type (or even from the US) but how much do you have to hate yourself and your country to be cool with a foreign kinda hostile nation, which blatantly does not have anything resembling democratic principles, spying on you?
I should really chill out with my hating on leftists (because that's not how you change people's minds, and I am a Socdem so I'm closer to them than I'd like to admit), but this does really seem to be their motto. "America Bad."

I'm no patriot, or a nationalist. I don't care about the nation itself. I care about the people of the nation. But that's not the same thing as hating it. Conservatives have stolen patriotism from Democrats the same way they stole Christianity.
 

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Interesting how it's almost always Zionists that get violent or call for violence, while the only thing Zionists can say about the protesters is, "but Palestine supporters advocate for violence!! :( :(" Also disappointing to see how free speech and First Amendment people are so quiet when students are getting beaten up, arrested, expelled, and kicked out for protesting, and even worse that colleges are the ones making these things happen
 

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And this isn't an attempt at finding a one-off crazy protester to make all protesters look bad.

This is me bringing attention to the fact that this is one of the leaders of the encampment at Columbia responsible for the protests.

Palestine is not sending their best.
 

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Gee, it can't be because Zionists are actively supporting and committing genocide AND abusing and raping Palestinians regardless of how young or old they are! Zionists are no different from Nazis, except they hide behind anti-Semitism instead of being openly anti-Semitic even as they attack pro-Palestine Jews.


 

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The official Houthi flags you see behind say:

God is great, Death to America, Death to Israel, A curse upon the Jews, and Victory to Islam

This is the source video:
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Also, Columbia barred Kymani James from Columbia after his unhinged "Zionists shouldn't be allowed to live" bullshit. Kymani has since retracted their words.

See? All it takes is real life consequences for these people to realize how the world really works. You can't advocate for murder and be viewed as the good guy. "No bad tactics, only bad people" is a fallacy that doesn't work.
 
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Huh, looks like the level of discourse seen on internet debates about israel has spilled into real life.
 

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Most of the pro-Israel or anti-Palestine discourse have often been proven to be fake or lies, and Visegrad is actually one of the biggest peddlers of bullshit with how often they lie. It's sad because a little research can show just how evil Zionists are, and how they're the new Nazis, which they're loud about.

I mean, it says a lot when there are Israelis who support Palestine and Jews in America who are protesting for Palestine (and ironically both are being attacked and arrested by Zionists or people who claim to be against anti-Semitism).

 

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I feel like once you get to the point where you're unwilling to talk about why you believe what you believe, then you've already accepted that you don't have good enough justification for said belief.
 
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Ironic coming from you.


Anyway, Biden signed another bill giving Ukraine $1 billion, give or take. This man really wants to lose, doesn't he? If he doesn't want to be the president again, he should just say so and have the Dems get another candidate, instead of sabotaging them. He does know that there are people who are ignorant enough to still be happy at Trump approving a $600/week stimulus, right?

Even before he supported Israel committing genocide against Palestine, he was already on rocky grounds because of the poor way he handled covid months after coming into office, and the right's hate of anything that's not republican, white racist, or conservative. Unlike last time, bringing up Trump's ineptness isn't going to work, especially after his Islamophobic bullshit on top of the Palestinian supporters calling for an end to genocide are getting arrested and brutalized.

Dems are really out of touch, and they're underestimating Trump again.
 

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Ironic coming from you.
I'm genuinely curious: what do you think the word ironic means? What is irony to you? Because I just claimed that "not being willing to talk about what you believe can be viewed as a sign that you're not confident you're right."

And I've been talking about what I believe concerning Israel/Palestine since October 7th, so it's not like I've made some grand hypocrisy.
 

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Anyway, Biden signed another bill giving Ukraine $1 billion, give or take. This man really wants to lose, doesn't he? If he doesn't want to be the president again, he should just say so and have the Dems get another candidate, instead of sabotaging them. He does know that there are people who are ignorant enough to still be happy at Trump approving a $600/week stimulus, right?
Why is giving the Ukraine $1B a bad thing for Biden?
 

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I think m3j is hallucinating that hamas supporters who don't vote anyways matter in any capacity to politicians whose jobs depend on voters.
 

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I think m3j is hallucinating that hamas supporters who don't vote anyways matter in any capacity to politicians whose jobs depend on voters.
Maybe? But I don't really get what Ukraine aid has to do with it. Other than a few alt-right hold outs most would agree that funding Ukraine against Russia is one of the greatest bargains presented to the USA in decades. Russia, one of the top world threats to the USA, is literally throwing their own soldiers at another, much smaller country. $100B to decimate the Russia military and strengthen the USA and EU sounds like a no brainer.

This notion that Biden isn't doing enough, so support the third party or whatever is the only thing that's going to possibly push the election into Trump's hands. Anyone who actually gives a fuck about Palestine would ensure that doesn't happen, because if anyone thinks things are bad over there right now, just wait until Trump starts giving Netanyahu daily handies. The extreme left gladly puts idealism above lives, though. At least the right kind of owns who they are.

At this point most of the anti-Biden comments just read like the left version of "RON PAUL 2012!" to me.
 

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Maybe? But I don't really get what Ukraine aid has to do with it. Other than a few alt-right hold outs most would agree that funding Ukraine against Russia is one of the greatest bargains presented to the USA in decades. Russia, one of the top world threats to the USA, is literally throwing their own soldiers at another, much smaller country. $100B to decimate the Russia military and strengthen the USA and EU sounds like a no brainer.
It's just anger that Ukraine is being aided a lot more than Palestine is. Some have claimed it's racism because Ukrainians are white and Palestinians aren't just brown, but they're Muslims.

This notion that Biden isn't doing enough, so support the third party or whatever is the only thing that's going to possibly push the election into Trump's hands. Anyone who actually gives a fuck about Palestine would ensure that doesn't happen, because if anyone thinks things are bad over there right now, just wait until Trump starts giving Netanyahu daily handies. The extreme left gladly puts idealism above lives, though. At least the right kind of owns who they are.
M3J has read this exact sentiment from me for over 5 months now. When confirmation bias hits, you either change your mind, or you change the facts. He chose to change the facts.

At this point most of the anti-Biden comments just read like the left version of "RON PAUL 2012!" to me.
Damn. I didn't think of it like that but I guess you're right.

I am curious about what they think they'll be able to do to enact change if Trump wins and he does all the things we've warned: that he aids Israel much, much more than Biden is, but not only that: cuts aid to Palestinians in any way at all. What then? Who are they going to blame? And how do they expect to fix it?
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EDIT: For transparency's sake: the guy in this vid has been regularly bumping heads with pro-Palestinian protestors. This isn't an entirely organic situation. He probably could have found another entrance. This could be viewed as antagonization. That doesn't diminish the actions of these protestors though. They didn't even bother to explain why he can't come in. They had an opportunity to prove they weren't here to harm anyone and they blew it.
 
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Maybe? But I don't really get what Ukraine aid has to do with it. Other than a few alt-right hold outs most would agree that funding Ukraine against Russia is one of the greatest bargains presented to the USA in decades. Russia, one of the top world threats to the USA, is literally throwing their own soldiers at another, much smaller country. $100B to decimate the Russia military and strengthen the USA and EU sounds like a no brainer.

This notion that Biden isn't doing enough, so support the third party or whatever is the only thing that's going to possibly push the election into Trump's hands. Anyone who actually gives a fuck about Palestine would ensure that doesn't happen, because if anyone thinks things are bad over there right now, just wait until Trump starts giving Netanyahu daily handies. The extreme left gladly puts idealism above lives, though. At least the right kind of owns who they are.

At this point most of the anti-Biden comments just read like the left version of "RON PAUL 2012!" to me.
Oh, sure, this has nothing to do with ukraine. My point more was on israel stuff potentially costing biden the election. Even setting aside that younger folk tend to not vote and thus make them irrelevant for people whose jobs depend on being elected, the alternative as you mention is decidedly worse. Trump relies heavily on the evangelical vote... Which will definitely matter more than protestors who are less likely to vote.
 

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I'm genuinely curious: what do you think the word ironic means? What is irony to you? Because I just claimed that "not being willing to talk about what you believe can be viewed as a sign that you're not confident you're right."

And I've been talking about what I believe concerning Israel/Palestine since October 7th, so it's not like I've made some grand hypocrisy.
You have yet to provide any proof that Israel is the victim and Palestinians are the violent ones. You keep coming up with excuses or old-ass stuff from few years ago or decades ago. Meanwhile, Israel and its politicians have not even provided a single shred of evidence, while Palestinians continuously provide videos and pictures.

Oh, and actually, Zionists and Zionist supporters actually openly call for genocide. I've not seen Palestinians and Palestinian-Americans call for killing Israelis or Zionists, just Palestine supporters.

Why is giving the Ukraine $1B a bad thing for Biden?
I think I mentioned it in one of my previous posts, but I didn't know this actually needed an explanation.


I think m3j is hallucinating that hamas supporters who don't vote anyways matter in any capacity to politicians whose jobs depend on voters.
We'll see because in the last two elections, Dems won the popular vote, and the left went the extra mile to make sure as many people could vote, which helped Biden. But what's "Hamas supporters?" People that support Palestine and want to ceasefire to end? People that support Palestinians defending themselves? People that know how much Israel has lied about Hamas since Oct 7? People who aren't brainwashed?




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You have yet to provide any proof that Israel is the victim and Palestinians are the violent ones. You keep coming up with excuses or old-ass stuff from few years ago or decades ago. Meanwhile, Israel and its politicians have not even provided a single shred of evidence, while Palestinians continuously provide videos and pictures.
Why would I try to prove that when that's never been my claim? I never said Israel is "the victim". Israeli innocents were the victims on October 7th, sure. But that doesn't make Israel itself a victim. Palestine is CLEARLY being victimized by Israel with constant bombings.

As I've said. Over and over. Ad nauseum. I don't even think you know what my contention is anymore.

Oh, and actually, Zionists and Zionist supporters actually openly call for genocide. I've not seen Palestinians and Palestinian-Americans call for killing Israelis or Zionists, just Palestine supporters.
Yes you have. I just posted a video of Hamas supporters carrying signs that said things like death to Israel, death to America, and death to the Jews.

As for your link, why in the BLUE FUCK would they think that they could negotiate TWO DAYS AFTER MURDERING 1200 PEOPLE!? There's no negotiation immediately after a terrorist attack. Later maybe, but how naive could they have been? This is even more proof that Hamas as the governmental establishment is a horrible idea.
 

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I think I mentioned it in one of my previous posts, but I didn't know this actually needed an explanation.
All I saw is that in March you said Ukraine has some Nazis and seem to imply that Russia isn’t actually bad. That’s not really a reason. It’s just you saying stuff. I guess the point is that you think because your very extreme opinion is not being catered to by the POTUS that enough must feel that way that the election could be tilted out of Biden’s favor. I also don’t get why “Ukraine has some Nazis” is a reason not to help defend them from a literal invasion.

You sound kinda ridiculous. It’s like you think the US government should cut a ton of actually mutually beneficial alliances and allow its enemies to grow significantly more powerful to cater to a region with less population than NYC that would have no qualms with you being stoned to death if you were gay.

Maybe come to terms with that fact that the majority of people (including voters) aren’t nearly as extreme as you are.
 

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We'll see because in the last two elections, Dems won the popular vote, and the left went the extra mile to make sure as many people could vote, which helped Biden. But what's "Hamas supporters?" People that support Palestine and want to ceasefire to end? People that support Palestinians defending themselves? People that know how much Israel has lied about Hamas since Oct 7? People
Welp, my point was more about people who don't vote. These folk are probably not going to move politicians or elections. And anyone who thinks trump is going to be more sympathetic towards palestinians than biden are idiots.
 
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