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I can't tell if you're ignorant or if you just like to troll
You try to speak words.
But they never mean what you think.
I can't tell if you're ignorant or if you just like to troll
Ah, missed a word in my post.Why did you say "except immigration" if that's important to you as welL?
You have complained about a casting with someone else though.
You wouldn't want immigrants to be deported at one of the highest rates?
Everything you love about America comes from the secular culture of the country, not the Christian bullshit we're gradually outgrowing.Or immigrate to places founded by christians.
Muslim immigrants don't move to America to get away from the Muslim lifestyle, they move to America to incorporate the things that make America great along WITH their Muslim lifestyle.Why not stay in the muslim country and enjoy the muslim life?
Do they not like their own religion?
This is something that should be seen as having caveats. If you bring in a not insane amount of immigrants then over time they'll assimilate. If you bring them by the millions then they will bring the third world with them. There's also the consideration of origin and culture.Muslim immigrants don't move to America to get away from the Muslim lifestyle, they move to America to incorporate the things that make America great along WITH their Muslim lifestyle.
Which again: don't come from Christian theocracy. America thrives in spite of any shitty religion, not because of it.
I wasn't defending unchecked immigration, I was correcting the claim that America being a Christian nation is what makes it a place desired by Muslims. Literally no one in the world is putting the idea of America being a Christian nation at the top of the list of reasons to move there. Least of all Muslims.This is something that should be seen as having caveats. If you bring in a not insane amount of immigrants then over time they'll assimilate. If you bring them by the millions then they will bring the third world with them. There's also the consideration of origin and culture.
There's also the issue of what immigration does to social services. If you have a small amount of immigrants then social services are fine. If you take them in by the millions then you can break them.
In terms of views, it tends to be. More often than not, people who complain about those and use "woke" or "DEI hire" or racist dog whistles are often conservative and support the party, no matter how much damage it causes them.Ah, missed a word in my post.
So? It's still not relevant politically.
Deportations are just a part of the issue. I think it's more important to get visa programs going, severely punish companies that hire illegal immigrants and with that of course deport folk who stay in the country illegally. Along with the very standard punishment of people who do that get permanently banned from the country and along with losing the possibility of getting a visa or a residence.
What is third world? When you say immigrants, where are you thinking of? Mexico, Middle East, Asia, or? Are you saying if millions of Europeans immigrate, they'll bring third world with them, even if they're from Switzerland and etc?This is something that should be seen as having caveats. If you bring in a not insane amount of immigrants then over time they'll assimilate. If you bring them by the millions then they will bring the third world with them. There's also the consideration of origin and culture.
There's also the issue of what immigration does to social services. If you have a small amount of immigrants then social services are fine. If you take them in by the millions then you can break them.
I'll never really understand why for US folk saying third world is such a sensitive issue. We know our countries are shithole countries and we say it while crying far less than US folk.What is third world? When you say immigrants, where are you thinking of? Mexico, Middle East, Asia, or? Are you saying if millions of Europeans immigrate, they'll bring third world with them, even if they're from Switzerland and etc?
But also, it seems like USA doesn't get that many immigrants a year. Just seems like another blaming point for the conservatives to hate on and rally behind.
Social services can find a way to be more efficient, AND if companies and the wealthy paid their fair shares of taxes, then it wouldn't be hard for social services to handle a huge amount of immigrants.
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Hmm, yeah, that makes no sense. There's at least some nutjobs with dreams of conquest though, several EU countries have had lunatics marching and protesting in favor of caliphates and other such unhinged nonsense but I don't think that fits into that specific narrative.I wasn't defending unchecked immigration, I was correcting the claim that America being a Christian nation is what makes it a place desired by Muslims. Literally no one in the world is putting the idea of America being a Christian nation at the top of the list of reasons to move there. Least of all Muslims.
I also abhor the word "assimilate". It's both vague and pointed at the same time. It's point in that it's a way to say "If you're going to live here, you have to live the way we do" which: fuck that. And it's vague in the sense that we can't definitively say what it means to be American, so we don't know what to allow and what to reject when it comes to judging someone as a valid citizen that has assimilated properly.
Also, constitutionally it's your right as an American NOT to assimilate. Case in point: freedom of religion. No matter what the majority religion of America is, no one should have to worship the Christian God.
The full extent of any assimilation should just be "Follow the laws that the rest of us follow and other than that, be your authentic self."
Everything you love about America comes from the secular culture of the country, not the Christian bullshit we're gradually outgrowing.
Sorry to hear that.My nephew was baptized earlier this year in 2024.
Well... kind of. But not at the rate that it's shrinking. The growth in the church after all isn't about theological belief, but political leaning. Recently Ex Muslim Atheist Ayan Hersi Ali now identifies as a Christian. Lots of apologists thought this was an awesome win for them... but that's only because they ignore the blogpost she made about why she became a Christian and stopped identifying as an Atheist.Usually, I see 4 or 5 people baptized on a single day.
On the day of my nephew's baptism there were almost 50 people in line to be baptized.
Some say christianity and religion are growing.
The "Nones", or "People who have no religion but don't necessarily idenitfy as Atheist" is the fastest growing group in America, theistically speaking.Others say religion is on a decline.
You know, that's funny. Because I watch theistic debates every week, and theistic interviews of atheists like Alex O'Connor and he's often asked the question by these Christian apologists: "why do you think so many people are leaving the church?" If the people on the phylosphical frontlines acknowledge that they're bleeding attendees, and there's so many of them mentioning it so often, I think I'm justified in taking their word for it, if only because it lines up with what the secular sources are saying as well, so there seems to be a consensus.It will be interesting to see which is accurate.
I see many "I am a new christian convert, give me advice" threads on reddit.
Is it? I don't see it raising a ruckus that much, but on the other hand it's understandable given what is often implied by saying that. People from those countries calling it a third world country is different from people from other countries doing it.I'll never really understand why for US folk saying third world is such a sensitive issue. We know our countries are shithole countries and we say it while crying far less than US folk.
The people getting upset over this are hardly ever the ones from third world countries. It's just randos getting offended for other people.Is it? I don't see it raising a ruckus that much, but on the other hand it's understandable given what is often implied by saying that. People from those countries calling it a third world country is different from people from other countries doing it.
White guilt is a motherfucker.The people getting upset over this are hardly ever the ones from third world countries. It's just randos getting offended for other people.
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Weird thing for non white folk to have.White guilt is a motherfucker.
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We're talking about America right?Weird thing for non white folk to have.
YesWe're talking about America right?
And I said that's factually incorrect. Biden's Israel policy was completely irrelevant to him stepping down.Who are you talking to? I know it's not me because I never talked about why Biden stepped down, I mentioned why a lot of people on the left wanted him to step down.