Urek Mazino vs V (Prime)

[Jackjohsnon]

Before, I thought V was stronger. Now It is implied Urek is stronger.

Urek > V > or = Z > Blossom > or = Arie, Khun, Ha > Traumerei, Gustang, Yirang

 

[XXGenesis]

Urek.

V’s finding him to be an interesting new wild card and admitting he doesn’t know, if In his Prime he could win. Says enough.

Tram who’s a weaker FH even developed his Disconnection. So FH’s have developed past their prime. Or let’s say “Prime” is a mistranslation & it better translate to Full power.

I currently believe Urek to be the strongest. Jahad & V are on his level but weaker. As for Jahad I suspect he has haxx workshop items.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Urek.

V’s finding him to be an interesting new wild card and admitting he doesn’t know, if In his Prime he could win. Says enough.

Tram who’s a weaker FH even developed his Disconnection. So FH’s have developed past their prime. Or let’s say “Prime” is a mistranslation & it better translate to Full power.

I currently believe Urek to be the strongest. Jahad & V are on his level but weaker. As for Jahad I suspect he has haxx workshop items.

But should zahard be stronger than his past self? A lot of time has passed after great war era.

 

[Sanity Check]

Jahad enrolling in the witness protection program.

While Urek Mazino is active inside the tower.

 

[Demonspeed]

It's so funny to see so many people saying that Urek is now stronger when V said he isn't sure he would win. Execution really matters .

 

[Ray Barracuda]

It's so funny to see so many people saying that Urek is now stronger when V said he isn't sure he would win. Execution really matters .

Yup.

That's how it always worked in fiction debates and agendas, the weaker party almost always concedes first.

If Urek himself had been the one to state he wasn't sure he could beat V, the dam would have burst from the other side too.

But for now we have zilch from his perspective, no cliche "that guy.....is strong" in a thought bubble, nothing at all.


Kinda beautiful.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

It's so funny to see so many people saying that Urek is now stronger when V said he isn't sure he would win. Execution really matters .

It is impressive for urek as OP characters don't usually doubt themselves. The fact that urek made V doubt that does gives urek an edge. Still an extreme diff fight.

 

[maverickframe_19]

It is impressive for urek as OP characters don't usually doubt themselves. The fact that urek made V doubt that does gives urek an edge. Still an extreme diff fight.

This is like if Pele reincarnated in his youthful body again and would have to comment on whether at his peak he was a better player than Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo's peak. I hope this reference made some sense to you guys lol.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

This is like if Pele reincarnated in his youthful body again and would have to comment on whether at his peak he was a better player than Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo's peak. I hope this reference made some sense to you guys lol.

I agree. I think its made clear for now the gap between urek and prime V is small irrespective of who is stronger one. What do you think about current zahard vs urek given current zahard should be stronger than his old self during great war?

 

[maverickframe_19]

I agree. I think its made clear for now the gap between urek and prime V is small irrespective of who is stronger one. What do you think about current zahard vs urek given current zahard should be stronger than his old self during great war?

I think Zahard is stronger but only by a margin. For the betterment of the story, I think it's logical for SIU to depict him as a slightly stronger irregular than Urek. And there has to be someone in this tower to keep his power in check. Irregular to irregular.

V right now for me is a wild card because if he can fully use Bam's whole arsenal, OH BOY.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

V right now for me is a wild card because if he can fully use Bam's whole arsenal, OH BOY.

He will not be the omnipotent thing you imagine him to be even if he can use the entirety of Baams arsenal because he exists to be stopped eitherway.

Believe it or not Urek exists right now to bring Baam back to his senses thorn and thryssa or not.

V already mistook Urek for being equal with Gustang, then saw a little and cucked that his prime is not guaranteed, I bbelieve it's been set up quite nicely that no one knows or can gauge Ureks limit yet, they only judge by what they see.

Heck, we haven't even seen him in base yet till date.

 

[Pro Factor]

Honestly one sentence from V made people lose their minds on this forum, what are you guys even arguing about you have literally nothing to base their hypothetical head to head matchup. Literally 0 freaking way to know who is stronger. Same way as Urek vs Zahard or V vs Zahard. Those debates are literally held for 10+ years and never have there been a clear answer. What if V meant “I would beat him probably, but no guarantees“ ? Urek fans will say V admitted he is weaker, V fans will say he only meant he isn’t sure but he might win and Zahard fans will say he is the strongest because there is nothing to disprove it. For now we know Urek is the strongest, once prime V and Zahard come into play we can judge a little bit more about who‘s the strongest.

 

[XXGenesis]

But should zahard be stronger than his past self? A lot of time has passed after great war era.

Yes. The 10 GW continued to develop themselves & families. Zahard was up to the most shenanigans afterwards. I believe if not all, Most of the FH’s have grown.

It's so funny to see so many people saying that Urek is now stronger when V said he isn't sure he would win. Execution really matters .

Urek has feats to back his continuous Hype by other characters, & the narrator. An omission of humility by someone so strong lends to it being true.

I know you’re a mod bro, but your replies and post often come off a bit condescending. I hate a non logical opinion that just makes no sense. But this is logical thinking

I’m a much bigger fan of V than I’m of Urek. However I think there’s enough clues to show Urek the irregular chasing Phantominium, climbed the tower the fastest, is looking for a way out & FUG & Anti-Zahard faction wanted him to kill Zahard. Would be stronger than V if he may think so himself.

I don’t see the joke on someone for thinking so.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yes. The 10 GW continued to develop themselves & families. Zahard was up to the most shenanigans afterwards. I believe if not all, Most of the FH’s have grown.



Urek has feats to back his continuous Hype by other characters, & the narrator. An omission of humility by someone so strong lends to it being true.

I know you’re a mod bro, but your replies and post often come off a bit condescending. I hate a non logical opinion that just makes no sense. But this is logical thinking

I’m a much bigger fan of V than I’m of Urek. However I think there’s enough clues to show Urek the irregular chasing Phantominium, climbed the tower the fastest, is looking for a way out & FUG & Anti-Zahard faction wanted him to kill Zahard. Would be stronger than V if he may think so himself.

I don’t see the joke on someone for thinking so.

What are you talking about? I am simply saying that I am amused by the situation. You are free to report me if you believe I have been condescending or anything.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Even Traumerei didn't know he could do it. Of course, Traumerei has never used it before. This means that Traumerei is now stronger than his previous prime.

Not necessarily. It only means Traumerei never needed to use It before because he never tried, not that he couldn't do It. We've already seen Traumerei from flashback with the same outfit, and he still had Leviathan. So this is not Traumerei peak.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Honestly one sentence from V made people lose their minds on this forum, what are you guys even arguing about you have literally nothing to base their hypothetical head to head matchup. Literally 0 freaking way to know who is stronger. Same way as Urek vs Zahard or V vs Zahard. Those debates are literally held for 10+ years and never have there been a clear answer. What if V meant “I would beat him probably, but no guarantees“ ? Urek fans will say V admitted he is weaker, V fans will say he only meant he isn’t sure but he might win and Zahard fans will say he is the strongest because there is nothing to disprove it. For now we know Urek is the strongest, once prime V and Zahard come into play we can judge a little bit more about who‘s the strongest.

Quick question for you.

Do you think Urek's mindset needs to change regarding the tower's FHs and status quo? Because under his watch he doesn't want any of them to die yet, and let's be honest, he's strong enough to carry that out on his own if he doesn't goof around. I feel like something has to give because if he doesn't change his mind, how do you stop this unstoppable force? How do you progress the story?

 

[Demonspeed]

Honestly one sentence from V made people lose their minds on this forum, what are you guys even arguing about you have literally nothing to base their hypothetical head to head matchup. Literally 0 freaking way to know who is stronger. Same way as Urek vs Zahard or V vs Zahard. Those debates are literally held for 10+ years and never have there been a clear answer. What if V meant “I would beat him probably, but no guarantees“ ? Urek fans will say V admitted he is weaker, V fans will say he only meant he isn’t sure but he might win and Zahard fans will say he is the strongest because there is nothing to disprove it. For now we know Urek is the strongest, once prime V and Zahard come into play we can judge a little bit more about who‘s the strongest.

Because we are fan of the series and speculation is always welcome. It's not different from theories and stuff. Liking a character more doesn't mean you have to make him look better than the others no matter what. That's what makes discussions toxic.

As far as I am concerned, Zahard> Urek> V is something I have been pretty adamant about. V shouldn't be superior to Zahard and was never stated to be his equal, Baam should be superior to V and do what he couldn't do. Urek is extremely powerful and is not interested in Zahard, but if he stronger than Zahard, it again reduces Baam's role in all of this. The strongest good guy is almost never superior to the strongest bad guy in a shonen. V being stronger than Urek wouldn't be interesting in the slightest. Another Irregular stronger than him cheapens his role.

We'll see if I am right or not.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Because we are fan of the series and speculation is always welcome. It's not different from theories and stuff. Liking a character more doesn't mean you have to make him look better than the others no matter what. That's what makes discussions toxic.

As far as I am concerned, Zahard> Urek> V is something I have been pretty adamant about. V shouldn't be superior to Zahard and was never stated to be his equal, Baam should be superior to V and do what he couldn't do. Urek is extremely powerful and is not interested in Zahard, but if he stronger than Zahard, it again reduces Baam's role in all of this. The strongest good guy is almost never superior to the strongest bad guy in a shonen. V being stronger than Urek wouldn't be interesting in the slightest. Another Irregular stronger than him cheapens his role.

We'll see if I am right or not.

Would you mind answering my question posted above as well? Given your stance on Urek in the past, your thoughts would be intriguing on this.

 

[Pro Factor]

S

Quick question for you.

Do you think Urek's mindset needs to change regarding the tower's FHs and status quo? Because under his watch he doesn't want any of them to die yet, and let's be honest, he's strong enough to carry that out on his own if he doesn't goof around. I feel like something has to give because if he doesn't change his mind, how do you stop this unstoppable force? How do you progress the story?

I feel like Urek is more and more becoming a plot device, being the strongest and liking MC very much he can always just come and save the day if plot demands that so dunno. It's a common problem with overpowered characters that are on the side of MC (Gojo for example).

Because we are fan of the series and speculation is always welcome. It's not different from theories and stuff. Liking a character more doesn't mean you have to make him look better than the others no matter what. That's what makes discussions toxic.

As far as I am concerned, Zahard> Urek> V is something I have been pretty adamant about. V shouldn't be superior to Zahard and was never stated to be his equal, Baam should be superior to V and do what he couldn't do. Urek is extremely powerful and is not interested in Zahard, but if he stronger than Zahard, it again reduces Baam's role in all of this. The strongest good guy is almost never superior to the strongest bad guy in a shonen. V being stronger than Urek wouldn't be interesting in the slightest. Another Irregular stronger than him cheapens his role.

We'll see if I am right or not.

That's what I meant, people get invested into fictional characters to the point they start insulting each others. There is hardly anything anyone can say to change opinion of fans of certain character as such those conversation usually lead nowhere. As long as people are having normal conversations it's fine, but it usually just ends with people shitting on characters they don't like to prove their favorite character is better.

On topic of Bam...Imo Bam has the highest potential of them all by far, not only his climbing rate is faster than anyone else he was also stuck for 6 years on first 20 floors. And his devouring ability and ability to learn attack just by being hit by it makes his ceiling highest of all irregulars we have seen so far. So by the time story ends I fully expect him to be the strongest irregular (Maybe barring Enryu, and I don't even consider Phanta in this conversations anymore).

As far as Urek, V , Zahard, everyone can interpret it as they want, my opinion is they are all equal, if I had to pick one to be the strongest I would say it's Urek.

Nothing directly suggest V was as strong as Zahard, but they were often mentioned in the same category like "We can't always rely on Zahard and V for every little thing" or "I think your father was better suited to be the king" and so on. As I mentioned before, neither I'm gonna successfully convince you (nor anyone else for that matter) that's the case nor am I gonna try to. Answer to this question we will get in the future.

 

[maverickframe_19]

S


I feel like Urek is more and more becoming a plot device, being the strongest and liking MC very much he can always just come and save the day if plot demands that so dunno. It's a common problem with overpowered characters that are on the side of MC (Gojo for example).




That's what I meant, people get invested into fictional characters to the point they start insulting each others. There is hardly anyone can say to change opinion of fans of certain character as such those conversation usually lead nowhere. As long as people are having normal conversations it's fine, but it usually just ends with people shitting on characters they don't like to prove their favorite character is better.

On topic of Bam...Imo Bam has the highest potential of them all by far, not only his climbing rate is faster than anyone else he was also stuck for 6 years on first 20 floors. And his devouring ability and ability to learn attack just by being hit by it makes his ceiling highest of all irregulars we have seen so far. So by the time story ends I fully expect him to be the strongest irregular (Maybe barring Enryu, and I don't even consider Phanta in this conversations anymore).

As far as Urek, V , Zahard, everyone can interpret it as they want, my opinion is they are all equal, if I had to pick one to be the strongest I would say it's Urek.

Nothing directly suggest V was as strong as Zahard, but they were often mentioned in the same category like "We can't always rely on Zahard and V for every little thing" or "I think your father was better suited to be the king" and so on. As I mentioned before, neither I'm gonna successfully convince you (nor anyone else for that matter) that's the case nor am I gonna try to. Answer to this question we will get in the future.

Common problem granted but feels like people are giving Urek's actions in the Sprout a pass because he's an ally of MC. Urek didn't achieve anything for whichever purpose he came to the sprout.
Didn't stop the third party.
Didn't stop the FHs from their death. He says things for saying sake.
He's actively stopping the story progression for me.
It's getting annoying for me now.