Spoiler One Piece Spoiler Hints Discussion

[catagon87]

Their job have them sitting still all day, moving 1 arm mostly. I get the feel mangakas and anime workers crunch or just edge out your average japanese worker by a few hours(days?). Do they get any exercise? Do they have time for it?
It goes without saying, any job where u sit still all day you're gonna have to do some real exercise each day to keep your body going.

It's less about that and more about the expectations put on them. Active exercise isn't that common in Japan beyond the walk to and from the train station for work. I work a desk job and am healthy. With the right work-life balance, a good amount of sleep nightly, and a decent diet you can have sedentary jobs without dying at age 50.

The real hindrance to a Mangaka's life, IMHO, is that they usually sleep very little. There is a lot of scientific data indicating how much prolonged periods of lack of sleep can affect your life and life expectancy. It increases your risks for nearly heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and dementia. Oda doesn't even live with his family due to his insane work schedule. Being a Mangaka is also just a really quirky job. There's a reason you only ever see the one single photo of Oda; It's a Mangaka thing to never have your picture taken. The only one I know of who goes against these trends is Araki (Jojo) who commonly has his picture taken, but he also has admitted his fetish is watching women get bitten by mosquitos, so he's an outlier in more than one category. Also, a lot of Mangaka are known to be chain smokers. Not exactly a Mangaka, but if you ever get a chance to tour Ghibli, you can see how many cigarettes creative workers have traditionally gone through in a day.

Another thing people don't seem to understand are breaks. Manga breaks rarely consist of the Mangaka taking their kids to Disney World or traveling. It's usually them playing catch up, or hitting the storyboard harder to work through a tough plot point. It's really bizarre how they manage to keep a fairly steady high quality of material with such stringent schedules in a creative space. Think about how the west handles media; we're mostly past the times where shows come out every year due to increased production times, sporatic writer strikes due to QOL and pay concerns, environmental factors that limit filming, etc.. Hell, if you take our faster paced authors, they release on their own schedule. Stephen King produces decent quality material fairly quickly but he at least gets to stick to deadlines he sets with his publisher. The writer of the series from my avatar image (Dungeon Crawler Carl) releases content really quickly on his Patreon, but that still has no built in expectation of weekly releases.

Mangaka are treated almost like agile software developers, except when I don't finish what I needed to finish as a software developer, I just tell my product guy that it'll be next week. Oda and other Mangaka don't have that luxury. They likely have a few "get out of jail free" cards per year, but they're mostly expected to produce. It's completely counter to the rest of Japanese culture where doing anything takes FOREVER.

(I'm not directing this part at the person I'm quoting in any way) I always find it ironic when people who are likely unemployed or would call in sick due to a tummy ache act like they're entitled to the free weekly chapter that they are reading before its official release in its home country. I have been critical of Oda before on various points and enamored with him at other points but regardless of my feelings at any point I have an immense amount of respect for the dude's ability to dedicate his life to his work and fans despite the fact that he has enough money saved up (and royalties in the future) to do whatever the hell he wants.

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I think that the reason is not only the sitting jobs, when I think of it majority of mangakas are smokers or heavy smokers

I swear you typed this as I was typing it. Like minds. Lol.

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Mangaka work/life balance is non-existent. Its a high pressure, physically demanding job with barely any downtime that wears at you over time.

The breaks have become more frequent as time goes on largely due to this. This forum is more tame than the subreddit on their expectations of chapter releases (believe it or not). My theory on that is a lot of us have been reading these forums or actively participating in them for nearly 20 years, which would put most of us into our 30s and 40s. When I was 25 I could literally go 4-5 nights in a row of sleeping 1-2 hours a night and get through the week with Red Bull and McDonalds. Now in my late 30s if I even so much as glance at a Big Mac I can feel my belly fat jiggle, and my chest tense up. Lol. If I don't get at least 7 hours of sleep I feel like a zombie and the day is almost wasted in non-productivity. Mangaka spend their whole lives borrowing from their future by not sleeping enough, not eating healthy, smoking, and being stationary, and we act surprised when they drop dead at 60 in a country where the life expectancy is beyond 80.

 

[Trip_LLL]

It's less about that and more about the expectations put on them. Active exercise isn't that common in Japan beyond the walk to and from the train station for work. I work a desk job and am healthy. With the right work-life balance, a good amount of sleep nightly, and a decent diet you can have sedentary jobs without dying at age 50.

The real hindrance to a Mangaka's life, IMHO, is that they usually sleep very little. There is a lot of scientific data indicating how much prolonged periods of lack of sleep can affect your life and life expectancy. It increases your risks for nearly heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and dementia. Oda doesn't even live with his family due to his insane work schedule. Being a Mangaka is also just a really quirky job. There's a reason you only ever see the one single photo of Oda; It's a Mangaka thing to never have your picture taken. The only one I know of who goes against these trends is Araki (Jojo) who commonly has his picture taken, but he also has admitted his fetish is watching women get bitten by mosquitos, so he's an outlier in more than one category. Also, a lot of Mangaka are known to be chain smokers. Not exactly a Mangaka, but if you ever get a chance to tour Ghibli, you can see how many cigarettes creative workers have traditionally gone through in a day.

Another thing people don't seem to understand are breaks. Manga breaks rarely consist of the Mangaka taking their kids to Disney World or traveling. It's usually them playing catch up, or hitting the storyboard harder to work through a tough plot point. It's really bizarre how they manage to keep a fairly steady high quality of material with such stringent schedules in a creative space. Think about how the west handles media; we're mostly past the times where shows come out every year due to increased production times, sporatic writer strikes due to QOL and pay concerns, environmental factors that limit filming, etc.. Hell, if you take our faster paced authors, they release on their own schedule. Stephen King produces decent quality material fairly quickly but he at least gets to stick to deadlines he sets with his publisher. The writer of the series from my avatar image (Dungeon Crawler Carl) releases content really quickly on his Patreon, but that still has no built in expectation of weekly releases.

Mangaka are treated almost like agile software developers, except when I don't finish what I needed to finish as a software developer, I just tell my product guy that it'll be next week. Oda and other Mangaka don't have that luxury. They likely have a few "get out of jail free" cards per year, but they're mostly expected to produce. It's completely counter to the rest of Japanese culture where doing anything takes FOREVER.

(I'm not directing this part at the person I'm quoting in any way) I always find it ironic when people who are likely unemployed or would call in sick due to a tummy ache act like they're entitled to the free weekly chapter that they are reading before its official release in its home country. I have been critical of Oda before on various points and enamored with him at other points but regardless of my feelings at any point I have an immense amount of respect for the dude's ability to dedicate his life to his work and fans despite the fact that he has enough money saved up (and royalties in the future) to do whatever the hell he wants.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 13, 2024, Original Post Date: Nov 13, 2024 ---

I swear you typed this as I was typing it. Like minds. Lol.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 13, 2024 ---

The breaks have become more frequent as time goes on largely due to this. This forum is more tame than the subreddit on their expectations of chapter releases (believe it or not). My theory on that is a lot of us have been reading these forums or actively participating in them for nearly 20 years, which would put most of us into our 30s and 40s. When I was 25 I could literally go 4-5 nights in a row of sleeping 1-2 hours a night and get through the week with Red Bull and McDonalds. Now in my late 30s if I even so much as glance at a Big Mac I can feel my belly fat jiggle, and my chest tense up. Lol. If I don't get at least 7 hours of sleep I feel like a zombie and the day is almost wasted in non-productivity. Mangaka spend their whole lives borrowing from their future by not sleeping enough, not eating healthy, smoking, and being stationary, and we act surprised when they drop dead at 60 in a country where the life expectancy is beyond 80.

I always appreciate your takes and your pro-human perspective on Oda.
I don't know about the others, but I'm in the age range you're speaking of and I started the One Piece manga during thriller bark.
We can't forget about the specific context around Oda and why the breaks happen.
The breaks Oda gets now are FORCED by Jump, and if I recall, they became a thing after a major surgery of his. Before that time, Oda was releasing extremely regularly.
Back in this era, which was around strong world, Oda had said in interviews that he slept from 2 to 5 am. And this wasn't just because he was drawing the manga. He was supervising the entire franchise, to varying degrees. Note that Strong World, I believe, was the first original movie to have him noted as a supervisor or something. To cope, he had resorted to alcohol and smoking to keep the stress down.
This was not a good lifestyle and still isn't.

And then we had a shift in Shonen Jump with Juju Kai and My Hero. These guys were placed on the same break rotation that One Piece was. Go look through the last two years of Shonen Jump and count up how many weeks had all three of the series putting out a chapter. It was roughly one week a month when all 3 were in.
Don't know about Gege, but Horikoshi has had SEVERAL health episodes. Liquid leaking from his ears, trouble with his hand. Go into his author comments, and we could probably dig up a lot. On the mental side, guy noted he still had nightmares of having his manga cancelled.

Honestly, the only mangaka that I would wager is actually able to handle everything is Hiro Mashima of Fairy Tail/Edens Zero. He's one of the few people able to put out his series with two chapters per week on cool occasions, while also helping the anime productions with improved material, while also managing a magazine centered on his series, while writing or supervising spin-offs, while doing another manga on the side, while playing monster hunter. During Edens Zero, he had Dead Rock running monthly, while supervising the Fairy Tail sequel.
You've got the authors and then you've got the author-business men hybrids who know the most optimal way of getting there stuff done to a reasonable profit margin.

(Also, glad to be talking to another Litrpg fan)

 

[Core D. Roy]

By the way - does anyone know why life expectancy for mangakas is so short? It's somewhere around 62, like 20 years less than regular japanese, only Araki from Jojo seems to example.

Have you ever read Bakuman? That was the cute fairy tale version of what a mangaka's life is like, and it was still brutal.

 

[Franz]

By the way - does anyone know why life expectancy for mangakas is so short? It's somewhere around 62, like 20 years less than regular japanese, only Araki from Jojo seems to example.

What ?


Go Nagai, Rumiko Takashi, Kurumada, Yōichi Takahashi, Araki, Morikawa, Aoyama, Adachi, Mitsuda, Akimoto, Itagaki...


Today, they are all alive and active. They work less, but they work.

and we act surprised when they drop dead at 60 in a country where the life expectancy is beyond 80.

Um, yeah.

Sure..

I don't know, Morikawa and Rumiko would disagree.

 

[Terribles_toiles]

Their job have them sitting still all day, moving 1 arm mostly. I get the feel mangakas and anime workers crunch or just edge out your average japanese worker by a few hours(days?). Do they get any exercise? Do they have time for it?
It goes without saying, any job where u sit still all day you're gonna have to do some real exercise each day to keep your body going.

As a nurse, I can say that health issues aren't just due to the demands of the job, but also heavily influenced by an individual's lifestyle. Many people in their 30s and 40s come in with high blood pressure and blood sugar issues. Their jobs are stressful, and their lives are often quite sedentary. They tend to cope with anxiety by consuming unhealthy foods and alcohol. For people with slimmer body types, especially in Asian populations, these health issues may not be obvious, but their bodies could still be quite unhealthy

 

[Franz]

But these mangaka who die en masse before the age of sixty... who exactly are they?

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

But these mangaka who die en masse before the age of sixty... who exactly are they?

Pretty sure he‘s referring to a study done by Manga fans recently. Looking at the lifespan of 219 Mangaka in total that died from “natural causes“( accidents, murder and natural disasters excluded). It was 62,5 years compared to the total average lifespan of men in Japan that is about 83 years.

I dunno bout authors under sixty dying en masse but there were some for instance the Author of Berserk, Kenataro Miura.
But 20 years below average is a significant deviation.

 

[Franz]

Pretty sure he‘s referring to a study done by Manga fans recently.

What study ?

I dunno bout authors under sixty dying en masse but there were some for instance the Author of Berserk, Kenataro Miura.

A case.

And tell me...do you have any idea how many mangaka there are in Japan yes?

 

[electricmastro]

Just wanted to say that no matter what news comes out about Oda, I'll keep moving on forward in high spirits about the manga as best as I can. There's too much to be in low spirits about in this world already, and a high-spirited manga like One Piece shouldn't be part of that.

 

[Sefirosu]

They don't say how long will the break be though.

 

[Core D. Roy]

They don't say how long will the break be though.

Gots dayum Stephen Paul gotta translate not just for One Piece, but for Shueisha's international PR department. The fuck is happening over there?

 

[catagon87]

Um, yeah.

Sure..

I don't know, Morikawa and Rumiko would disagree.

Yeah I'm sure they'd appreciate their personal representative here speaking out for them on the topic.

But these mangaka who die en masse before the age of sixty... who exactly are they?

60 is just an arbitrary round number. What matters are statistics. Here's a life table provided by the Japanese Government for the year of 2023. It represents the life expectancy per age group as well as the trends from birth. For example, the row 55 for male shows the number 28.05 in the 2023 column. This indicates that your typical 55 year old male in Japan can expect to live about 28.05 more years totaling out to expecting to die (statistically) by age 83.05.

Akira Toriyama died at age 68 despite being very wealthy and in a first world country with top-notch health care. We don't have the 2024 data yet, but the data usually only improves on expectancy from year to year (the difference between 2022 and 2023 for his age group of 70 is 0.07). The table is in increments of 5 years, so to calculate the life expectancy of a 68 year old we can do:

Life_expectancy(70) + (difference in between individual age (68) and lower limit (65)) / (difference in upper limit (70) and lower limit (65)) * (Life_expectancy(70) - Life_expectancy(65))

(68 - 65)/(70-65)*(expectancy(70)-expectancy(65)) which gives us -2.322. We add this to the expectancy of a 70 year old to estimate how long Akira Toriyama (68) might have expected to live. This gives us a life expectancy of 17.198 for a 68 year old in 2023. This means the average man in Akira Toriyama's age group should live to be 85.198. (Note, if you're wondering how the life expectancy might increase as people age, then check out conditional life expectancy which is a more complicated way to calculate life expectancy taking into account that certain age groups who have survived to certain ages outlive various mortality risks. For instance, a working 65 year old has a mortality risk of accidental death, or occupational hazards than a 75 year old may not have. It's not to say that the risk isn't there for a 75 year old, but that the average risk is lower due to factors like retiring, commuting less, etc..

Some other Mangaka who died fairly young:

• Osamu Tezuka (60) - Astro Boy - Stomach cancer
• Kaoru Tada (38) - accidental fall / brain hemorrhage
• Noboru Yamaguchi (41) - cancer
• Tomohiro Matsu (43) - cancer
• Kazuki Takahashi (60) - snorkeling
• Nekoriju (Chiyomi Hashiguchi) - 31 - suicide
• Kentaro Miura (54) - Berserk - aortic dissection
• Hisaya Nakajo (50) - Heart disease
• Eiichi Fukui (33) - Overwork related issues
• Yanwari Kazama (36) - Liver failure
• Kosei Eguchi (23) - undisclosed cause of death

Out of curiosity I wrote a pretty simple crawler to look through this page, only considering "Individuals," and run some statistical analysis. Process was:

1. Filter out Mangaka whose birth / death data is not readily available on wikipedia - this was 377 out of 761 Mangaka listed on the page above, leaving a total of 384 with the needed data.
2. I also filtered out any data for candidates born over 124 years ago.
3. Created "death buckets" to group mangaka within the age range which they died.
4. Took the average, median, and total of both living and dead Mangaka.

Here's the overall data:

Spoiler: Mangaka Data

{
    "total_samples": "761",
    "available_samples_with_age_info": "384",
    "samples_without_age_info": "377",
    "living": {
        "total": "332",
        "average": "57.63253012048193",
        "median": "56.5"
    },
    "dead": {
        "total": "52",
        "average": "65.26923076923077",
        "median": "64.5"
    },
    "deaths_under_65": "26",
    "deaths_over_65": "26",
    "death_buckets": {
        "31-35": [
            "Cocoa Fujiwara",
            "Eiichi Fukui",
            "Nekojiru"
        ],
        "36-40": [
            "Kaoru Tada"
        ],
        "41-45": [
            "Mia Ikumi",
            "Tadashi Kawashima"
        ],
        "46-50": [
            "Satoshi Kon",
            "Hinako Sugiura",
            "Tatsuo Yoshida"
        ],
        "51-55": [
            "Hinako Ashihara",
            "Ikki Kajiwara",
            "Kentaro Miura",
            "Daisuke Satō",
            "Yoshito Usui",
            "Yoshihiro Yonezawa"
        ],
        "56-60": [
            "Yūji Aoki",
            "Ken Ishikawa",
            "Shosuke Kurakane",
            "Ken'ichi Sakemi",
            "Sakumi Yoshino"
        ],
        "61-65": [
            "Fujiko Fujio",
            "Jun Hatanaka",
            "Kazuhiko Kato",
            "Kazuki Takahashi",
            "Shinji Wada",
            "Murasaki Yamada"
        ],
        "66-70": [
            "Hideo Azuma",
            "Shinji Nagashima",
            "Buichi Terasawa",
            "Akira Toriyama",
            "Mitsuteru Yokoyama"
        ],
        "71-75": [
            "Fujio Akatsuka",
            "Machiko Hasegawa",
            "Goseki Kojima",
            "Masahiko Matsumoto",
            "Keiji Nakazawa"
        ],
        "76-80": [
            "George Akiyama",
            "Yoshihiro Tatsumi"
        ],
        "81-85": [
            "Hiroshi Hirata",
            "Kazuo Koike",
            "Shinji Mizushima",
            "Takao Saito"
        ],
        "86-90": [
            "Mitsutoshi Furuya",
            "Kō Kojima",
            "Jiro Kuwata",
            "Leiji Matsumoto",
            "Sanpei Shirato",
            "Kazuo Umezu"
        ],
        "91-95": [
            "Shigeru Mizuki",
            "Suihō Tagawa",
            "Toshiko Ueda",
            "Takashi Yanase"
        ]
    }
}

TL, DR:
Based on readily available data related to manga artists in Japan, we the can see that the mean age of death is around 65, and the mean age of a living manga artist is around 56. We can also see the data is nearly symmetrical as the mean and median are very close (within about 1 year of each other). The process didn't involve any cherry-picking and all causes of death are considered as would be the case with any study on the impact one's occupation may have on their life expectancy.

 

[electricmastro]

Yeah I'm sure they'd appreciate their personal representative here speaking out for them on the topic.



60 is just an arbitrary round number. What matters are statistics. Here's a life table provided by the Japanese Government for the year of 2023. It represents the life expectancy per age group as well as the trends from birth. For example, the row 55 for male shows the number 28.05 in the 2023 column. This indicates that your typical 55 year old male in Japan can expect to live about 28.05 more years totaling out to expecting to die (statistically) by age 83.05.

Akira Toriyama died at age 68 despite being very wealthy and in a first world country with top-notch health care. We don't have the 2024 data yet, but the data usually only improves on expectancy from year to year (the difference between 2022 and 2023 for his age group of 70 is 0.07). The table is in increments of 5 years, so to calculate the life expectancy of a 68 year old we can do:

Life_expectancy(70) + (difference in between individual age (68) and lower limit (65)) / (difference in upper limit (70) and lower limit (65)) * (Life_expectancy(70) - Life_expectancy(65))

(68 - 65)/(70-65)*(expectancy(70)-expectancy(65)) which gives us -2.322. We add this to the expectancy of a 70 year old to estimate how long Akira Toriyama (68) might have expected to live. This gives us a life expectancy of 17.198 for a 68 year old in 2023. This means the average man in Akira Toriyama's age group should live to be 85.198. (Note, if you're wondering how the life expectancy might increase as people age, then check out conditional life expectancy which is a more complicated way to calculate life expectancy taking into account that certain age groups who have survived to certain ages outlive various mortality risks. For instance, a working 65 year old has a mortality risk of accidental death, or occupational hazards than a 75 year old may not have. It's not to say that the risk isn't there for a 75 year old, but that the average risk is lower due to factors like retiring, commuting less, etc..

Some other Mangaka who died fairly young:

• Osamu Tezuka (60) - Astro Boy - Stomach cancer
• Kaoru Tada (38) - accidental fall / brain hemorrhage
• Noboru Yamaguchi (41) - cancer
• Tomohiro Matsu (43) - cancer
• Kazuki Takahashi (60) - snorkeling
• Nekoriju (Chiyomi Hashiguchi) - 31 - suicide
• Kentaro Miura (54) - Berserk - aortic dissection
• Hisaya Nakajo (50) - Heart disease
• Eiichi Fukui (33) - Overwork related issues
• Yanwari Kazama (36) - Liver failure
• Kosei Eguchi (23) - undisclosed cause of death

Out of curiosity I wrote a pretty simple crawler to look through this page, only considering "Individuals," and run some statistical analysis. Process was:

1. Filter out Mangaka whose birth / death data is not readily available on wikipedia - this was 377 out of 761 Mangaka listed on the page above, leaving a total of 384 with the needed data.
2. I also filtered out any data for candidates born over 124 years ago.
3. Created "death buckets" to group mangaka within the age range which they died.
4. Took the average, median, and total of both living and dead Mangaka.

Here's the overall data:

Spoiler: Mangaka Data

{
    "total_samples": "761",
    "available_samples_with_age_info": "384",
    "samples_without_age_info": "377",
    "living": {
        "total": "332",
        "average": "57.63253012048193",
        "median": "56.5"
    },
    "dead": {
        "total": "52",
        "average": "65.26923076923077",
        "median": "64.5"
    },
    "deaths_under_65": "26",
    "deaths_over_65": "26",
    "death_buckets": {
        "31-35": [
            "Cocoa Fujiwara",
            "Eiichi Fukui",
            "Nekojiru"
        ],
        "36-40": [
            "Kaoru Tada"
        ],
        "41-45": [
            "Mia Ikumi",
            "Tadashi Kawashima"
        ],
        "46-50": [
            "Satoshi Kon",
            "Hinako Sugiura",
            "Tatsuo Yoshida"
        ],
        "51-55": [
            "Hinako Ashihara",
            "Ikki Kajiwara",
            "Kentaro Miura",
            "Daisuke Satō",
            "Yoshito Usui",
            "Yoshihiro Yonezawa"
        ],
        "56-60": [
            "Yūji Aoki",
            "Ken Ishikawa",
            "Shosuke Kurakane",
            "Ken'ichi Sakemi",
            "Sakumi Yoshino"
        ],
        "61-65": [
            "Fujiko Fujio",
            "Jun Hatanaka",
            "Kazuhiko Kato",
            "Kazuki Takahashi",
            "Shinji Wada",
            "Murasaki Yamada"
        ],
        "66-70": [
            "Hideo Azuma",
            "Shinji Nagashima",
            "Buichi Terasawa",
            "Akira Toriyama",
            "Mitsuteru Yokoyama"
        ],
        "71-75": [
            "Fujio Akatsuka",
            "Machiko Hasegawa",
            "Goseki Kojima",
            "Masahiko Matsumoto",
            "Keiji Nakazawa"
        ],
        "76-80": [
            "George Akiyama",
            "Yoshihiro Tatsumi"
        ],
        "81-85": [
            "Hiroshi Hirata",
            "Kazuo Koike",
            "Shinji Mizushima",
            "Takao Saito"
        ],
        "86-90": [
            "Mitsutoshi Furuya",
            "Kō Kojima",
            "Jiro Kuwata",
            "Leiji Matsumoto",
            "Sanpei Shirato",
            "Kazuo Umezu"
        ],
        "91-95": [
            "Shigeru Mizuki",
            "Suihō Tagawa",
            "Toshiko Ueda",
            "Takashi Yanase"
        ]
    }
}

TL, DR:
Based on readily available data related to manga artists in Japan, we the can see that the mean age of death is around 65, and the mean age of a living manga artist is around 56. We can also see the data is nearly symmetrical as the mean and median are very close (within about 1 year of each other). The process didn't involve any cherry-picking and all causes of death are considered as would be the case with any study on the impact one's occupation may have on their life expectancy.

I also recall Shin-Chan creator Yoshito Usui falling hundreds of feet off a mountain cliff, which I’m informed was accidental, and have no solid reason to believe it was due to suicide.

Yoshito Usui - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[korwinkrulpolski]

Something's off because there are no twitter accounts on the ID's in the tweet reposted by Pew in the image. Maybe he's trolling. And the "answer" icon in the tweet isn't actual design, it is the design from few years ago. Actual Stephen Paul's account hasn't been active since fall of 2023.

Plus the York image Pew posted before is rearranged famous disaster girl meme. Now I think he is clearly trolling and I wouldn't be surprised if we'll get the leaks today along with other SJ's mangas. Maybe leakers really were scared of MangaPlus going against them.

And maybe they're doing that because the chapter will be banger and the leakers decided to not let anything outside this time. I hope for that.

 

[baditz]

I confuse, is not monday normal official schedule?
What we have in friday are early leak right, but the official always monday.

 

[korwinkrulpolski]

Maybe it's Monday in Indonesia. In Europe it's usually on the Sunday afternoon. For Poland next chapter schedule on MangaPlus is exactly 16:00 on Sunday. Leakers should have similar time schedule, at least Redon who's from Spain or Pew, if I remember correctly, who's from somewhere in Middle East

 

[Sefirosu]

Something's off because there are no twitter accounts on the ID's in the tweet reposted by Pew in the image. Maybe he's trolling. And the "answer" icon in the tweet isn't actual design, it is the design from few years ago. Actual Stephen Paul's account hasn't been active since fall of 2023.

Plus the York image Pew posted before is rearranged famous disaster girl meme. Now I think he is clearly trolling and I wouldn't be surprised if we'll get the leaks today along with other SJ's mangas. Maybe leakers really were scared of MangaPlus going against them.

And maybe they're doing that because the chapter will be banger and the leakers decided to not let anything outside this time. I hope for that.

I was confused too, but I found out it's not his twitter account but bluesky account (another social media)

 

[bhendjol]

I think that the reason is not only the sitting jobs, when I think of it majority of mangakas are smokers or heavy smokers


So no One Piece then?

Ha!

I thought so.
It's Thursday already

 

[DeadlyBeast]

As long as Oda is good I'm good. OP is the only long running series that I'm reading so I'm not in any hurry for it to end.

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Yeah I'm sure they'd appreciate their personal representative here speaking out for them on the topic.



60 is just an arbitrary round number. What matters are statistics. Here's a life table provided by the Japanese Government for the year of 2023. It represents the life expectancy per age group as well as the trends from birth. For example, the row 55 for male shows the number 28.05 in the 2023 column. This indicates that your typical 55 year old male in Japan can expect to live about 28.05 more years totaling out to expecting to die (statistically) by age 83.05.

Akira Toriyama died at age 68 despite being very wealthy and in a first world country with top-notch health care. We don't have the 2024 data yet, but the data usually only improves on expectancy from year to year (the difference between 2022 and 2023 for his age group of 70 is 0.07). The table is in increments of 5 years, so to calculate the life expectancy of a 68 year old we can do:

Life_expectancy(70) + (difference in between individual age (68) and lower limit (65)) / (difference in upper limit (70) and lower limit (65)) * (Life_expectancy(70) - Life_expectancy(65))

(68 - 65)/(70-65)*(expectancy(70)-expectancy(65)) which gives us -2.322. We add this to the expectancy of a 70 year old to estimate how long Akira Toriyama (68) might have expected to live. This gives us a life expectancy of 17.198 for a 68 year old in 2023. This means the average man in Akira Toriyama's age group should live to be 85.198. (Note, if you're wondering how the life expectancy might increase as people age, then check out conditional life expectancy which is a more complicated way to calculate life expectancy taking into account that certain age groups who have survived to certain ages outlive various mortality risks. For instance, a working 65 year old has a mortality risk of accidental death, or occupational hazards than a 75 year old may not have. It's not to say that the risk isn't there for a 75 year old, but that the average risk is lower due to factors like retiring, commuting less, etc..

Some other Mangaka who died fairly young:

• Osamu Tezuka (60) - Astro Boy - Stomach cancer
• Kaoru Tada (38) - accidental fall / brain hemorrhage
• Noboru Yamaguchi (41) - cancer
• Tomohiro Matsu (43) - cancer
• Kazuki Takahashi (60) - snorkeling
• Nekoriju (Chiyomi Hashiguchi) - 31 - suicide
• Kentaro Miura (54) - Berserk - aortic dissection
• Hisaya Nakajo (50) - Heart disease
• Eiichi Fukui (33) - Overwork related issues
• Yanwari Kazama (36) - Liver failure
• Kosei Eguchi (23) - undisclosed cause of death

Out of curiosity I wrote a pretty simple crawler to look through this page, only considering "Individuals," and run some statistical analysis. Process was:

1. Filter out Mangaka whose birth / death data is not readily available on wikipedia - this was 377 out of 761 Mangaka listed on the page above, leaving a total of 384 with the needed data.
2. I also filtered out any data for candidates born over 124 years ago.
3. Created "death buckets" to group mangaka within the age range which they died.
4. Took the average, median, and total of both living and dead Mangaka.

Here's the overall data:

Spoiler: Mangaka Data

{
    "total_samples": "761",
    "available_samples_with_age_info": "384",
    "samples_without_age_info": "377",
    "living": {
        "total": "332",
        "average": "57.63253012048193",
        "median": "56.5"
    },
    "dead": {
        "total": "52",
        "average": "65.26923076923077",
        "median": "64.5"
    },
    "deaths_under_65": "26",
    "deaths_over_65": "26",
    "death_buckets": {
        "31-35": [
            "Cocoa Fujiwara",
            "Eiichi Fukui",
            "Nekojiru"
        ],
        "36-40": [
            "Kaoru Tada"
        ],
        "41-45": [
            "Mia Ikumi",
            "Tadashi Kawashima"
        ],
        "46-50": [
            "Satoshi Kon",
            "Hinako Sugiura",
            "Tatsuo Yoshida"
        ],
        "51-55": [
            "Hinako Ashihara",
            "Ikki Kajiwara",
            "Kentaro Miura",
            "Daisuke Satō",
            "Yoshito Usui",
            "Yoshihiro Yonezawa"
        ],
        "56-60": [
            "Yūji Aoki",
            "Ken Ishikawa",
            "Shosuke Kurakane",
            "Ken'ichi Sakemi",
            "Sakumi Yoshino"
        ],
        "61-65": [
            "Fujiko Fujio",
            "Jun Hatanaka",
            "Kazuhiko Kato",
            "Kazuki Takahashi",
            "Shinji Wada",
            "Murasaki Yamada"
        ],
        "66-70": [
            "Hideo Azuma",
            "Shinji Nagashima",
            "Buichi Terasawa",
            "Akira Toriyama",
            "Mitsuteru Yokoyama"
        ],
        "71-75": [
            "Fujio Akatsuka",
            "Machiko Hasegawa",
            "Goseki Kojima",
            "Masahiko Matsumoto",
            "Keiji Nakazawa"
        ],
        "76-80": [
            "George Akiyama",
            "Yoshihiro Tatsumi"
        ],
        "81-85": [
            "Hiroshi Hirata",
            "Kazuo Koike",
            "Shinji Mizushima",
            "Takao Saito"
        ],
        "86-90": [
            "Mitsutoshi Furuya",
            "Kō Kojima",
            "Jiro Kuwata",
            "Leiji Matsumoto",
            "Sanpei Shirato",
            "Kazuo Umezu"
        ],
        "91-95": [
            "Shigeru Mizuki",
            "Suihō Tagawa",
            "Toshiko Ueda",
            "Takashi Yanase"
        ]
    }
}

TL, DR:
Based on readily available data related to manga artists in Japan, we the can see that the mean age of death is around 65, and the mean age of a living manga artist is around 56. We can also see the data is nearly symmetrical as the mean and median are very close (within about 1 year of each other). The process didn't involve any cherry-picking and all causes of death are considered as would be the case with any study on the impact one's occupation may have on their life expectancy.

Wow very kind of you to do the digging and analysis. The results are very telling and makes me think we should get a reality show like Deadliest Catch focused on mangaka and how difficult a career it is. I think it would open a lot of people's lives to what the industry is really like and what it does to people.

 

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Uhm


Where do you find this stuff exactly?

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Akira Toriyama died at age 68 despite being very wealthy and in a first world country with top-notch health care.

68 isn't exactly young Age, but ok

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Some other Mangaka who died fairly young:

I could make a list of mangaka who surpassed the 60. And so?

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Based on readily available data related to manga artists in Japan, we the can see that the mean age of death is around 65, and the mean age of a living manga artist is around 56.

So Rumiko Takahashi Is dead

And Go Nagai no longer work