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I don't know exactly what Defensor means but i can say the series isn't getting the best reactions out there in the jp Forums, it's not really negative but neither really positive too, it's like 50-50.
I mean, it didn't get good views on the first 2 chapters and I saw some comments on Jumpmatome of people disliking some stuff, but we should wait till the next one to see how it will be
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Not even Western 😂
people really don't know what a good manga is nowadays...
 

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I mean, it didn't get good views on the first 2 chapters and I saw some comments on Jumpmatome of people disliking some stuff, but we should wait till the next one to see how it will be
Yeah but to be fair, a manga like Star of Beethoven will hardly be the kind of manga to get overwhelming positive reactions online, the artstyle also doesnt help much, there are comments saying they enjoyed the story but the art is rough, PPPPPP also had divisive reception online from the start in the jp side, but at least the comments in general arent dooming the manga.
 

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A big name author starting off selling 40k physical then dropping to 20k in under 2 years is a worse sign than a newbie consistently doing 15k with slow growth, even if it's still a better number. The big name's series is likely already known by most of their fans and has a lot less potential to grow than an unknown who just hasn't had their name spread with a more casual fanbase yet.

It's why Samurai 8's performance was so bad despite selling better than most other new series. Everyone already knew about it yet so when it sold below expectations and kept dropping further, there was no potential for it to ever regain those lost sales.

Magazine's different since they seem to place a high focus on keeping veterans around, even if their series aren't all that popular, while Jump generally seems to focus on building up new authors more and will even cancel a big name's new series at the same rate as a newbie's if it performs badly enough.
 

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A big name author starting off selling 40k physical then dropping to 20k in under 2 years is a worse sign than a newbie consistently doing 15k with slow growth, even if it's still a better number. The big name's series is likely already known by most of their fans and has a lot less potential to grow than an unknown who just hasn't had their name spread with a more casual fanbase yet.

It's why Samurai 8's performance was so bad despite selling better than most other new series. Everyone already knew about it yet so when it sold below expectations and kept dropping further, there was no potential for it to ever regain those lost sales.

Magazine's different since they seem to place a high focus on keeping veterans around, even if their series aren't all that popular, while Jump generally seems to focus on building up new authors more and will even cancel a big name's new series at the same rate as a newbie's if it performs badly enough.
You know that is the problem, magazines that focus on veterans run them dry while for new talent it is like trying to dig up something before you hit the vein and strike it rich. But with the latter you need a good balance of scouting talent while also harnessing it. It is very rare to find talent and then maintain it.
 

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The jp reaction thing I remember the most about Star of Beethoven was that
"B no seisen 's heroine seems to be next chapter"
"But Beethoven already was in 1st chapter"
 

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You know, I have been going back to some of last year’s remaining titles to see if there was any possible lead ups and lore building. I know we got some for Syd Craft and Shinobi. With Ichi, I went back to chapter 5 where we saw the 6 witches of the association. And so far there were 6 shrouded in mystery. And now 2 of them have been revealed. The remaining 4 have yet to make an appearance. Do you think the new arc leading up to it will introduce another?
 

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The jp reaction thing I remember the most about Star of Beethoven was that
"B no seisen 's heroine seems to be next chapter"
"But Beethoven already was in 1st chapter"
I really got reminded of long running joke/belief about Megumi being the true Heroine of JJK (and it is factually true).

I mean, tell everyone the whole summary of JJK, but never reveal the gender of the characters (just names), it is not hard to see why.

In fact, turn Megumi into a female, he fits the MC love interest trope way too much
 

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I don't know exactly what Defensor means but i can say the series isn't getting the best reactions out there in the jp Forums, it's not really negative but neither really positive too, it's like 50-50.
What about EMBERS??
 

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A big name author starting off selling 40k physical then dropping to 20k in under 2 years is a worse sign than a newbie consistently doing 15k with slow growth, even if it's still a better number. The big name's series is likely already known by most of their fans and has a lot less potential to grow than an unknown who just hasn't had their name spread with a more casual fanbase yet.

It's why Samurai 8's performance was so bad despite selling better than most other new series. Everyone already knew about it yet so when it sold below expectations and kept dropping further, there was no potential for it to ever regain those lost sales.

Magazine's different since they seem to place a high focus on keeping veterans around, even if their series aren't all that popular, while Jump generally seems to focus on building up new authors more and will even cancel a big name's new series at the same rate as a newbie's if it performs badly enough.
You're describing what everyone knows about both magazines way of working, my original point is about the different attitude and perspective from the western general public towards different series from different magazines, even the ones that doesnt really follow this kind of discussions we have still more or less have that that idea of high sales ingrained on them due to the beand name.
 

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I don't know if it interests anyone here as much as it does me, but I wish they released more of these timelapse videos. It's always really cool seeing the different tools and techniques each mangaka uses. I remember we got some BTS on Shinjuku Showdown lately which revealed how Gege used CG layouts for a lot of the more dynamic double spreads in JJK which I thought was pretty neat, and you can see the same kinda thing here with Desscaras' sword.
 

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What about EMBERS??
In general Its better than what i expected considering the theme and pre reactions to the announcement with people writing it as "doa", but its not really positive either, you have the ones that like and the ones that think is boring or want to compare with every other sport out there, ar least i didnt see any hate comment, so its more or less like Beethoven reception.
 

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You're describing what everyone knows about both magazines way of working, my original point is about the different attitude and perspective from the western general public towards different series from different magazines, even the ones that doesnt really follow this kind of discussions we have still more or less have that that idea of high sales ingrained on them due to the beand name.
Kill Blue is better compared to Sentai Daishikkaku, which is also generally considered a failure.
 

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Gonna Vote.
1. Nue's Exorcist 86
2. Blue Box 184
3. Syd Craft: Love is a Mystery 12
 

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The lack of Astro CP or even Volume Cover might just be because of him injuring himself, which is kinda sad concidering the series wasn’t on his best shape
 

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Kill Blue is better compared to Sentai Daishikkaku, which is also generally considered a failure.
Personally i would consider a 4+ years serialization with 2 anime seasons a failure just because it's not selling close to 5toubun, the series isn't even in the bottom 5 of the least selling mangas in the magazine:

1. Blue Lock #31 (239.635)
2. Shangri-La Frontier #19 (110.197)
3. Hajime no Ippo #141 (70.410)
4. Four Knights of the Apocalypse #18 (57.370)
5. Seitokai ni mo Ana wa Aru! #7 (46.455)
6. Rent A Girlfriend #38 (42.149)
7. A Couple of Cuckoos #24 (37.805)
8. Megami no Café Terrace #17 (34.417)
9. Tying the Knot with an Amagami Sister #17 (22.119)
10. Medaka Kuroiwa Is Impervious to My Charms #16 (18.852)
11. Gachiakuta #12 (17.844)
12. To Your Eternity #22 (16.920)
13. Kaijin Fugeki #2 (15.977)
14. Mayonaka Heart Tune #5 (14.765)
15. Ranger Reject #16 (11.860)
16. Orion's Board #3 (11.812)
17. Kanan-sama Is Easy as Hell! #8 (9.521)
18. Yowayowa Sensei #9 (9.230)
19. Yumene Connect #1 (8.266)
20. Blue Miburo #14 (7.284)
21. Galaxias #1 (5.097)
22. Irozuku Monochrome # (4.946)
 

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I don't think i would consider a 4+ years serialization with 2 anime seasons a failure just because it's not selling close to 5toubun, the series isn't even in the bottom of the least selling mangas in the magazine.
That's the point. People still think SenDai is a failure.
 

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That's the point. People still think SenDai is a failure.
Depending on who is people because there are people that consider even Undead Unluck a failure, maybe since 5toubun was popular in the west the fans consider Ranger Reject a "failure", but i don't really remember any considerable amount of comments online calling it a flop when it got a anime and etc.
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Gonna Vote.
1. Nue's Exorcist 86
2. Blue Box 184
3. Syd Craft: Love is a Mystery 12
If anyone still didn't voted or forgot to do, do it please :super
 

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The biggest difference between Jump and Magazine regarding online discourse is the level of attention they receive. People closely follow everything about Jump; sales, TOC rankings, and what constitutes success in the magazine. People care about these details. So, if someone says, "Kill Blue will be the next big shounen hit" there will be enough people to challenge that statement. That opinion obviously won't gain much traction online.

But, if someone says, "Gachi Akuta will be the next big shounen hit," there won’t be as many people opposing it, even though that claim isn't any less wrong than the other one. Because fewer people track Magazine's sales or know what counts as success there. Even those who do, often don’t care enough to say anything. Most of the time, these statements come from fans who are naturally optimistic and not necessarily concerned with the series' actual performance.

For the record, this is sales for Gachi Akuta:
v01 - 2022/05 - 12.8k (6d) | 18.3k | ... | 20.6k (20d)
v02 - 2022/07 - 7.2k (3d) | 17.4k | ... | 24.2k (24d)
v03 - 2022/09 - 9.8k (3d) | 19.9k | ... | 30.3k (31d)
v04 - 2022/11 - 13.1k (4d) | 20.7k | ... | 30.3k (32d)
v05 - 2023/02 - 10.7k (3d) | 25.5k | ... | 38.0k (31d)
v06 - 2023/04 - 16,801 (7d) | 23.4k | ... | 32.8k (35d)
v07 - 2023/07 - 8.9k (3d) | 22.7k | ... | 27.3k (31d)
v08 - 2023/10 - 13,531 (6d) | 19.5k | ... | 27.3k (34d)
v09 - 2023/12 - 6.4k (3d) | 17.1k | ... | 28.4k (31d)
v10 - 2024/03 - 6.3k (3d) | 16.4k | ... | 24.5k (24d)
v11 - 2024/06 - 12,0005 (7d) | 16.0k | ... | 20.2k (28d)
v12 - 2024/09 - 9,920 (6d) | 14.1k | ... | 17.8k (27d)
v13 - 2024/12 - 10.4k (6d) | 15.0k | ... | 17.2k (20d)
 

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Btw, Shonen Magazine started a Diamond no Ace Act.II spinoff and a new original baseball series in the same round lol Jump gotta steal one of these WSM authors to try a baseball one on Jump, maybe this way it can have at least something decent :grin
 
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