Question Khun spearmanship

[Anne isn't a TT]

Why is there only the talk of Arie swordsmanship but not Khun spearmanship? There's literally a position named after the weapon, spear. I do like to think it should be hyped as Arie swordsmanship. Arie swordsmanship is literally a hax in itself, is it possible we can see Khun spearmanship too as some kind of hax in the future?

 

[Demonspeed]

Because Arie Swordsmanship really is that good. While there are different styles of spearmanship and Khuns are good at it, they also have more stuff like electricity etc. Aries are just different.

 

[Lonatian]

The Arie family's swordsmanship is a characteristic of the Arie family. But there aren't many sword users. If you talk about swordsmanship, you'll immediately think of the Arie family.

While spear bearer is a position. There are many people who aren't from the Khun family who are spear bearer. It's also a characteristic of the Khun family, but it's not special.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Because Arie Swordsmanship really is that good. While there are different styles of spearmanship and Khuns are good at it, they also have more stuff like electricity etc. Aries are just different.

Is it possible that Arie swordsmanship is special because the sword becomes a space controlled by shinsu as said by BT? Abilities related to space have been hyped throughout the webtoon.

The Arie family's swordsmanship is a characteristic of the Arie family. But there aren't many sword users

Is it possible there is Ari needlemanship despite needle remains a common item, used by many?

 

[Demonspeed]

Is it possible there is Ari needlemanship despite needle remains a common item, used by many?

No.

• Sword: Arie.
• Spear: Khun.
• Needle: Ari.

Arie and Ari are relatives and we know they are Needle specialists. They also get an unique Needle at birth.

 

[Lonatian]

Is it possible there is Ari needlemanship despite needle remains a common item, used by many?

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in manhwa before, but I think needles are ToG's signature weapon, fishermen will often use them. Zahard is also a needle user.

 

[Demonspeed]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in manhwa before, but I think needles are ToG's signature weapon, fishermen will often use them. Zahard is also a needle user.

They are the signature weapon for Fishermen. Needles and all these weapons exist thanks to the 13GW who gave details about them to blacksmiths from the Tower.

 

[Lonatian]

They are the signature weapon for Fishermen. Needles and all these weapons exist thanks to the 13GW who gave details about them to blacksmiths from the Tower.

I don't know that the weapon was Team 13's idea.

But about the needle, I remember they said that because of the shinsu, and the higher up you go, the thicker the shinsu gets, so they don't usually use weapons with a large friction surface. (I don't remember exactly what was said and in which chapter but it was probably in ss1). So the needle became the most preferred weapon. That's why I said it was the signature weapon of ToG.

 

[Demonspeed]

I don't know that the weapon was Team 13's idea.

But about the needle, I remember they said that because of the shinsu, and the higher up you go, the thicker the shinsu gets, so they don't usually use weapons with a large friction surface. (I don't remember exactly what was said and in which chapter but it was probably in ss1). So the needle became the most preferred weapon. That's why I said it was the signature weapon of ToG.

Source.

Spoiler

Dear readers,
A long time ago, King Zahard came into the uncivilised Tower and taught the inhabitants civilisation and ruled over them. He had said, "This place is too boggy".
For us, who were born and raised inside the Tower, it is a statement that makes no sense. But for the people outside the Tower, the "Irregulars", it is something they know very well. Surprisingly, there's no shinsu in their world and something called "air" fills their world instead. They said that the Tower filled with shinsu is too boggy and uncomfortable for them.
I have never seen air, but I have found out some commonalities and differences between air and shinsu by interviewing the Irregulars.
First, the common point is that they both let beings breathe. And they both flow constantly. It is also identical that they are powerful enough to threaten others when they flow harshly.
Then the difference? The biggest difference is indeed the characteristics by the concentration. In shinsu's case, it's more like a gas when it's in low concentration and more like liquid when it's in high concentration. But it seems air is not liquefied even in high concentrations.
The second difference is the circulation. The circulation of shinsu is very fluent but there is no common law. (And the movements are all different by the Floors of the Tower.) But it is said that there are set laws in the circulation of air. (I want to study some more about the laws, but the research is slow because none of the Irregulars that I have met is knowledgeable enough about the laws of air.)
The third difference is consumption. Shinsu exists everywhere inside the Tower. So shinsu exists even in a room that is completely sealed. Shinsu does not flow in from somewhere else, but is rather created from the Tower. So, we can live in the sealed places. Air is not created from sealed places and if a being is locked inside a sealed room, the being will consume all of the air and die. (It seems very uncomfortable.)
You readers may not understand why I, who is not even a Wave Controller, am writing about shinsu on the front pages of a book about weapons. But it is because you are ignorant of the weapons of the Tower. Shinsu and the weapons of the Towers are interrelated. You cannot fully understand the weapons unless you understand shinsu.
All of the weapons we use are modelled after the weapons from the outside of the Tower, which Zahard and the 10 Family Heads brought in with them when they came inside the Tower. Their weapons were, of course, all made to suit air, not shinsu. (Even though some were used in a vacuum.) They had to develop and modify their weapons to suit the properties of shinsu. That's how the weapons we use were born. So it's essential to know about shinsu to understand the weapons of the Tower.
For this reason, there're going to be a lot of stories about shinsu in the following chapters and I request that readers place special emphasis on the relationship between the weapons and shinsu while reading.

Needles are more convenient to use than Swords yes. So they are the basic weapon for Fishermen which is like a Warrior class in RPG. Fishermen have Reels for long range but we hae yet to see a really good Reel user besides Elaine(at least we saw one unlike Orb users etc) but I remember SIU saying that Androssi and Anak are the ones from the S1 batch who would be good at it.

 

[arrowofsky]

They are the signature weapon for Fishermen. Needles and all these weapons exist thanks to the 13GW who gave details about them to blacksmiths from the Tower.

Can we state that there was not any irregular before GWs?

Is it possible that Arie swordsmanship is special because the sword becomes a space controlled by shinsu as said by BT? Abilities related to space have been hyped throughout the webtoon.

You can't dodge it, but you may dodge Koon spear afaik. Btw, Koon's temporary boost by swallowing electricity is way cooler than their spear as a specialty. Finally, maybe SIU and staff just target some sword fetishists as readers.

 

[Demonspeed]

Can we state that there was not any irregular before GWs?

Probably. At least the first ones to interact with the natives as partners and explore it.

 

[kkck]

Hmmm, arie are known as powerhouses exclusively because of their swordsmanship. While the koon family is mostly known for the lightning spear in reality they possess a variety of particularly potent shinsoo attributes which include at least lightning and ice spears. Eduan is a master of both even if he prefers lightning. And the koon might even have more attributes to boast of. It takes multiple attributes and the koon are still only about on par with the arie swordsmen... And that because some of them boast of bodies powerful enough to eat arie attacks.

An another note, i don't think its too impossible for there to be arie direct descendants without sword attributes but with similar properties to it. though if this happens i wouldn't expect such person to be looked upon favorably.

 

[Demonspeed]

Hmmm, arie are known as powerhouses exclusively because of their swordsmanship. While the koon family is mostly known for the lightning spear in reality they possess a variety of particularly potent shinsoo attributes which include at least lightning and ice spears. Eduan is a master of both even if he prefers lightning. And the koon might even have more attributes to boast of. It takes multiple attributes and the koon are still only about on par with the arie swordsmen... And that because some of them boast of bodies powerful enough to eat arie attacks.

An another note, i don't think its too impossible for there to be arie direct descendants without sword attributes but with similar properties to it. though if this happens i wouldn't expect such person to be looked upon favorably.

Well, even without the Sword Attribute, Aries are good as long as they have a sword in hand. They can use Arie Swordsmanship with any sword. Among Hoaqin's siblings it was said that Anna wasn't good with swords(though for their standard it probably means that she is pretty good compared to the average swordsman) but great at Sorcery.

 

[kkck]

Well, even without the Sword Attribute, Aries are good as long as they have a sword in hand. They can use Arie Swordsmanship with any sword. Among Hoaqin's siblings it was said that Anna wasn't good with swords(though for their standard it probably means that she is pretty good compared to the average swordsman) but great at Sorcery.

I wouldn't expect arie swordsmen to not have the or at least a sword attribute. I suppose this could be a bit headcanon-y but generally my understanding is that arie swordsmanship hinges on whatever shinsoo attribute they got from hon. It's not impossible but I'd be fairly surprised if arie swordsmanship was something other than an attribute.

 

[Lonatian]

Arie's swordmanship seems to be famous for its unpredictable and complex techniques, but it does not have the shinsu attribute.
With Hon, he also did not create a shinsu sword to fight like a lightning spear or an ice spear, he chose a wooden sword to fight Luslec.
With Adori, she summoned a real sword to slash the mother ship Po Bidau.
It seems that Arie's techniques are mainly pure swordmanship.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

With Adori, she summoned a real sword to slash the mother ship Po Bidau

It seems to me the sword was already there.

 

[Demonspeed]

I like calling Arie Swordsmanship "Reality warping with swords" since Inieta said Arie can do anything with it.

I wouldn't expect arie swordsmen to not have the or at least a sword attribute. I suppose this could be a bit headcanon-y but generally my understanding is that arie swordsmanship hinges on whatever shinsoo attribute they got from hon. It's not impossible but I'd be fairly surprised if arie swordsmanship was something other than an attribute.

They do need Shinsoo, but you don't need a Sword Attribute. The Sword Attribute would just strengthen it. Arie Swordsmanship can be taught, but non Arie can't use it as well as the others. Naturally, most Arie have the Sword Attribute since Hon is their father.

Inieta couldn't create Shinsoo Swords but he used Arie Swordmanship with swords.

 

[Lonatian]

It seems to me the sword was already there.

That fits my point. I noticed that they hold real swords, they don't create shinsu swords like the Khun family did with lightning spears.

On the contrary to Eduan, he doesn't hold a real spear, he usually uses a spear created by shinsu.

Another case is Zahard, Zahard has real weapons but he also creates needles with shinsu.

So I think the Arie family uses pure swordsmanship. Or it can be said it is the swordsmanship Hon had before entering the tower.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

That fits my point. I noticed that they hold real swords, they don't create shinsu swords like the Khun family did with lightning spears.

What about hoaqin/white? He created swords out of souls.

 

[Lonatian]

What about hoaqin/white? He created swords out of souls.

I don't think that technique comes from Arie swordsmanship.