How many FHs does it take to beat Urek?

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

--Now that we know urek is a god tier character in his own world as part of shinny ones , how many FHs can be beat in given fight?

Urek wanted smoke with both gustang and Traumerei.

Thoughts?

@arrowofsky @Ray Barracuda @maverickframe_19 etc

 

[Ray Barracuda]

All of them and maybe just then they'd make him get serious a bit ey .

 

[kkck]

Somewhere between 1 and 13.

 

[Enkiduzz]

Two are enough.

 

[VON]

Somewhere between 1 and 13.

Lmao

 

[Jackjohsnon]

There is a good chance one can beat him with Pentaminum's help.

 

[arrowofsky]

There is a good chance one can beat him with Pentaminum's help.

I will remember this when we will (my guess) see that Luslec learnt Dark Charge from Phantaminum and he knows how to actively channel its power with other more more powerful means. Hence, Grace Arlene & Grace Mirchea Luslec.
Giving one example from my FoD reread:

Arlene's Bell
Probably she has a lot of cool things to make things cool.
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Obviously though, elaborate people like Gustang will fare probably better against Urek, rather than unavoidable Arie Hon or Traumerei. We are also not sure how much Shine pokemon power is left in Urek for him being able to use actively right now, this changes things a lot.
My suspicion is that Urek will probably never get tired, so attrition is out of question. Then, you need to kill him. But how?

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

I will remember this when we will (my guess) see that Luslec learnt Dark Charge from Phantaminum

Pretty lit if this is case though its pretty unlikely.

 

[Demonspeed]

Posts about Urek's strength before and after the spin-off are really hilarious . But my opinion is still the same although right now, he has the highest ceiling by far.

Urek's potential =/= Urek's current strength.

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I will remember this when we will (my guess) see that Luslec learnt Dark Charge from Phantaminum and he knows how to actively channel its power with other more more powerful means. Hence, Grace Arlene & Grace Mirchea Luslec.
Giving one example from my FoD reread:

Arlene's Bell
Probably she has a lot of cool things to make things cool.
---

Obviously though, elaborate people like Gustang will fare probably better against Urek, rather than unavoidable Arie Hon or Traumerei. We are also not sure how much Shine pokemon power is left in Urek for him being able to use actively right now, this changes things a lot.
My suspicion is that Urek will probably never get tired, so attrition is out of question. Then, you need to kill him. But how?

Not possible. The strength of a Spell depends on the contract with the medium. If it was linked to Phanta, no one would be able to stop Luslec's Spells. Not even a 13MS user since Phanta>> Admins. Spells are also a thing of the Tower itself.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Well, if Urek is meant to be a character who will kill Phanta, then no one should be able to stop him or kill him. I still believe in Zahard. He must have something because Urek did say that if he were a bad person, he would kill him. He didn't kill him. Maybe Zahard has a way to counter Urek. I would say he will beat FH's easily from 5-13, but the top 4, he might need to sweat and bleed. The outcome still ain't clear in my head against Zahard, but that is only if Zahard has something in his arsenal that would make Urek's light powers moot.

 

[arrowofsky]

Not possible. The strength of a Spell depends on the contract with the medium. If it was linked to Phanta, no one would be able to stop Luslec's Spells. Not even a 13MS user since Phanta>> Admins. Spells are also a thing of the Tower itself.

I am not so sure about this. Maybe because of his towerborn origin, Luslec may not be completely emulating all these, so stoppable but cool spells.
By the way, how do we know Phanta >> Admins? I would love that, but where did it come from?

 

[Demonspeed]

I am not so sure about this. Maybe because of his towerborn origin, Luslec may not be completely emulating all these, so stoppable but cool spells.
By the way, how do we know Phanta >> Admins? I would love that, but where did it come from?

Phanta is stronger than Enryu, Enryu killed an Admin so Phanta is stronger than Admins. He is the strongest character we know so far.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

One on One always bet on UM

 

[Ray Barracuda]

One on One always bet on UM

Lulz, Kaido reference.

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By the way, how do we know Phanta >> Admins? I would love that, but where did it come from?

Well, maybe cause he was still declared the strongest being to exist even after his Axis origins might have been retconned?


And the fact his story is a much grander in scale and narrative compared to the Tower? just little things like that you know.


Oh oh, plus the two primordial entities existing beyond the definition of time and space and reality?

No beginning? no end?


Infinity, a multiverse, small stuff like that really.


Plus he can also enter and leave the Tower as he pleases.

 

[Demonspeed]

One on One always bet on UM

This would be a good post if Kaido wasn't trash.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

This would be a good post if Kaido wasn't trash.

Random Kaido slander, you love to see it

 

[arrowofsky]

Lulz, Kaido reference.

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Well, maybe cause he was still declared the strongest being to exist even after his Axis origins might have been retconned?


And the fact his story is a much grander in scale and narrative compared to the Tower? just little things like that you know.


Oh oh, plus the two primordial entities existing beyond the definition of time and space and reality?

No beginning? no end?


Infinity, a multiverse, small stuff like that really.


Plus he can also enter and leave the Tower as he pleases.

I know those dude but that was out of ToG, so I am not as sure as you.

Phanta is stronger than Enryu, Enryu killed an Admin so Phanta is stronger than Admins. He is the strongest character we know so far.

and we never ranked admins there, only regulars and irregulars. Enryu killed an admin but that actually does not help a lot in this. If we can be sure that Phanta >> Enryu, than Phanta >> the admin Enryu killed.
Hence, Phanta >/> All the admins individually.

I got my answer from your replies by the way, we just don't know, but some like to think that Phanta is stronger than all admins (including me )

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I know those dude but that was out of ToG, so I am not as sure as you.

Ehn, Narrative scaling.


It's the only path left when you venture into conceptual close to author level bullshit like this with primordials and stuff.


By all means even after his possible retcon Phanta is still a being that shouldn't exist in that verse.

 

[arrowofsky]

Ehn, Narrative scaling.


It's the only path left when you venture into conceptual close to author level bullshit like this with primordials and stuff.

That would be boring as hell though...

 

[Ray Barracuda]

That would be boring as hell though...

Yeah, that's why it's almost always redundant scaling verses like this or characters like that.


Only a few I've seen actually still somehow remain compelling with the narrative, the ideas, characters and all that stuff.

Very very few, one of them being Lucifer Morningstar from Vertigo.