Fantasy x792 Elfman vs x792 Minerva

[Seven777]

- I put ‘’hours’’ between quotation marks. The narrative time indicates that a lot of time passes, and other battles happened after Neinhart’s defeat. Natsu passed out, woke up, fought Gray, etc. And the main point is that a lot of people travel to another area, and since anyone was teleported, relevant time passed.

- Gildarts said it about God Serena, any other person refers to another Historia as weakened. Some of them are actually stronger (Ikaruga, Azuma, Ur). But, again:
1) Being a small fry to Gildarts doesn’t mean that the H-GS is really weak, since Gildarts is the strongest rank S from FT, above any other.
Laxus was portrayed to be able to one-shot Ajeel (an average Spriggan), so Gildarts, who is stronger than Laxus, could defeat a Spriggan more easily than Laxus.

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2) Gildarts is strong enough to fight August and even hurt the Spriggan leader.
(August’s nose and mouth have blood traces

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An average Spriggan cannot stand against August in a fight. It was stated a lot of times during the arc (Brandish said it / when August and Irene is with an avegare Spriggan, the average Spriggan power is ‘’ignored’’ because the power of both is so high that eclipsed a regular Spriggan mp, as we can see when Mirajane only commenting about Irene and August’s mp even when Brandish was with them, and Mavis stressing only Irene, August and Larcade’s mp/magic, etc.). So Gildarts’ actual level is already above original God Serena by feats. Gildarts never fought God Serena before, he presumed that alive GS would be strong enough to rival him but the manga put Gildarts level higher than GS by putting him against August. Thus, due to God Serena’s fame (because he is known as the strongest wizard from Ishgal), Gildarts could assume that he should be stronger and enough to rival the latter's own strength, but it’s not what the narrative showed.

3) The “small fry” Historia feats:
A) He can compete with Gildarts in a physical crash. So his physical strength is strong as Gildarts (the strongest rank S from FT)

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If H-GS was significantly below Gildarts in strength, he would be sent flying by the physical collision, as when Elfman punched Loki and sent him flying with his strength and pressure:

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The same happened when Natsu and Demon Jienma crashed, Natsu lost to the enemies strength and was sent flying away:

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There are plenty of times that something like that happens: the weaker wizard cannot compete with the strong in strength and is thrown away with the collision. This didn’t happen with H-GS because he is as strong as Gildarts physically. Small fry, huh?

B) Gildarts spammed crash to break H-GS’s magic. Gildarts didn’t tank spells, he broke it spamming his own magic, and Gildarts even used a finalization attack to defeat him. He used Crushing Evil, Spreading the Truth: Empyrean (the same attack that he used to defeat Bluenote), if Erza needs to fight against a small fry, she will not use Nakagami, if Gray needs to fight a small fry, he will not use a Devil Slayer finisher spell, so why Gildarts used one of his finishers spells against a ‘’small fry’’? Why didn't he defeat him more easily?
Gildarts mouth was bleeding in a fight against a ‘’small fry’’:

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Conclusion: Either God Serena is quite stronger than Ajeel - once the latter would be one-shotted or very damaged by one attack cast by Laxus while GS can rival with Gildarts (who is stronger than Laxus), which makes a weakened version from GS not be far from Ajeel’s level - or Ajeel and God Serena is at the same level, the average Spriggan’s level and Gildarts was overhyping GS because of the Spriggan’s fame in Ishigal - maybe they were equal in strength in the past, but this past year made Gildarts surpass him a lot - and H-GS wasn’t so weakened, once he can match physical strength with Gildarts.
Anyway, considering feats and narrative information about God Serena, H-God Serena, Ajeel, and their opponents, it’s clear that the H-versions are still strong opponents (and I’m not counting Neinhart’s mp upgrade until here).


- Ajeel matched Erza's strength with his magic. Neinhart did the same with Erza while keeping all the Hargeon Port occupied. I’m talking about measuring forces physically (because Elfman fights with body techniques, basically punching and relying on his brute strength).
Wahl crashed punches with Laxus and they were even:

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Wahl punches thrown Laxus way two times:

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Wahl endured a kick that destroyed 3 floors of one building. Being immune to thunder doesn't change the strength of the kick and Wahl durability to tank it.

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Making a direct comparison with Ajeel: when Ajeel kicked Erza, Erza managed to defend the kick perfectly, she wasn’t thrown away with his strength or something like that:

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Ajeel isn’t weak, he can endure some of Erza’s cuts, but you can’t ignore the context: he is a counter to Erza's fight style. He didn’t prove to really endure physical attacks. If we switch the opponents and put Laxus against Ajeel, the latter didn’t show feats that prove that he will endure Laxus’s strength that destroyed 3 floors and keeps fighting normally.



- Kagura has better endurance feats. Elfman didn’t stand up after the opponent ripped off part of his body/ opened a hole in his body.

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I don’t care if you didn’t like Kagura's character or if she isn’t a character with a lot of spotlights, but she has shown feats. And better than Elfman’s.
Again: Kagura tanked YG effortlessly because she is a monster of endurance, Elfman’s endurance needs to be as strong as hers to do the same. And by feats, it isn’t SO he will be more damaged by it than Kagura. Minerva's mp’s improved after GMG too, so her spells are stronger than they were by that time.

- Mirajane “You won’t be forgiven, Lucy’’ after Lucy defeated Lisanna. Source: manga

- No, Kyouka etherious would clean the floor with Elfman. Even Alvarez Erza was very damaged by Kyouka’s pain curse. You’re overhyping Elfman. Someone who endured against H-Wahl will not be defeated by one punch from Elfman. Minerva didn’t get knocked out by one punch from Erza, could challenge a weakened Wahl, a foe that, in his prime, can even rival Laxus in physical strength. Minerva was actually dominating H-Whal in taijutsu:

So there’s no evidence that someone who is slower than Lisanna in speed can hit her

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Plus, Minerva can defend herself against Elfman’s punch with a barrier (something that she frequently uses), can use territory to change positions with him, or can restrain his movements.
Minerva will hit 100 times before he hits her 1.

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Elfman isn’t faster than Minerva, you can’t go against what manga says. Evan Alvarez Elfman is slower than Lisanna.

About Lucy being above Minerva’s:
I really think that it is possible for Lucy to defeat “stronger mages” than her overall level, after all Uranometria is a strong spell (and could defeat Jackals). So I see that Lucy can defeat, with difficulty, even Spriggans like Jacob and Neinhart (because they didn’t show durability to overcome Uranometria), maybe Lucy can defeat even Minerva, Rogue, Elfman, and others (separately) with Uranometria, but we need to see how strong is Uranometria by now first and I’m 100% sure that Lucy isn’t above any of them without using Uranometria and that her Spirits, even the strongest one like Loki, isn’t superior to any of them in endurance. So if Loki can tank some of Mirajane and Elfman punches, Minerva can too easily. And even Lucy's own body and physical fight skills aren't above any of them. I didn’t see Lucy winning against H-Wahl and H-Bloodman because of their magic. I only see her defeating Jacob because she can counter all of his magic and against Neinhart if she attacks him (the summoner body) because if she fought against Historias, she would lose. Thus, putting Lucy above Minervas is precocious because, even if the Uranometria is strong enough to defeat Minerva, Uranometria is a spell that covers an area and Lucy needs to verbalize an enchantment, so Minerva can dodge it.

-The historia not disappearing when Neinhart was defeated doesn't mean they weren't weakened. They could be reduced to Romeo tier.
-You don't need to convince me Gildarts is stronger than God Serena, he is. It's simply a fact that his "headbutt" is considered fodder to Gildarts, that's all.
-As for GS not flying away, Baqel didn't fly away against Natsu either, doesn't mean Baqel isn't fodder. So yes, small-fry, in every sense of the word.
-Wahl matched Laxus with his magic too lol, it's literally his magic that's absorbing his lightning, it's literally his magic that's turning his fist into a rocket.
-Wahl is an infinitely greater counter to Laxus' fighting style than Ajeel is to Erza, what are you talking about? Busting 3 floors means literally nothing.
-It's not endurance if you fall down and stop fighting lol. Kagura didn't endure Larcade, she got oneshot. If Sting didn't show up she'd be dead.
-Yep, and Mirajane still toyed with her while not forgiving her lol. source: her playing with Loke. Mira was just gonna tie Lucy up for some "punishment"
-Alvarez Erza was damaged by Kyoka, Azuma and Ikaruga combined, on top of Ajeel lol.
-Keyword on Wahl, weakened. Laxus was heavily weakened against Wahl, and then Wahl was heavily weakened against Minerva. Translation: Its a bad feat.
-No evidence Minerva is faster than Lisanna either.
-Uhuh, because her barrier and territory worked soooo well when Erza was beating the shit out of her with her fists lol.
-Elfman no-sold Lucy's strongest attack, so yeah Elfman>>Lucy>=Minerva. She doesn't need Urano Metria to beat Minerva. Wood Golem>Minerva.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

-The historia not disappearing when Neinhart was defeated doesn't mean they weren't weakened. They could be reduced to Romeo tier.
-You don't need to convince me Gildarts is stronger than God Serena, he is. It's simply a fact that his "headbutt" is considered fodder to Gildarts, that's all.
-As for GS not flying away, Baqel didn't fly away against Natsu either, doesn't mean Baqel isn't fodder. So yes, small-fry, in every sense of the word.
-Wahl matched Laxus with his magic too lol, it's literally his magic that's absorbing his lightning, it's literally his magic that's turning his fist into a rocket.
-Wahl is an infinitely greater counter to Laxus' fighting style than Ajeel is to Erza, what are you talking about? Busting 3 floors means literally nothing.
-It's not endurance if you fall down and stop fighting lol. Kagura didn't endure Larcade, she got oneshot. If Sting didn't show up she'd be dead.
-Yep, and Mirajane still toyed with her while not forgiving her lol. source: her playing with Loke. Mira was just gonna tie Lucy up for some "punishment"
-Alvarez Erza was damaged by Kyoka, Azuma and Ikaruga combined, on top of Ajeel lol.
-Keyword on Wahl, weakened. Laxus was heavily weakened against Wahl, and then Wahl was heavily weakened against Minerva. Translation: Its a bad feat.
-No evidence Minerva is faster than Lisanna either.
-Uhuh, because her barrier and territory worked soooo well when Erza was beating the shit out of her with her fists lol.
-Elfman no-sold Lucy's strongest attack, so yeah Elfman>>Lucy>=Minerva. She doesn't need Urano Metria to beat Minerva. Wood Golem>Minerva.

- You need some evidence to argue it. That the Historias are connected to Neinhart’s mp, we have the evidence when he said that maintaining them on the battlefield is taxing:

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You don’t have any statement about H-Wahl and H-Bloodman suddenly becoming very weak. And Mashima showed Mirajane saying that the fact that Jacob fought with eyes closed saved her from losing the battle against him, so Minerva or Rogue would say that the Historias became weaker. The one logical thing that the manga put - and that can explain why the Historias didn’t disappear after Neinhart’s defeat - is that Neinhart’s mp was filled and expanded to the extent that Brandish’s magic doesn’t work on him anymore, and, because it choked Brandish, before Irene have increased his mp, Brandish’s magic could work on him. So Neinhart’s mp was so increased that even in an unconscious state he kept providing mp to the Historias.
- Natsu was holding himself against Baquel. It was said from the beginning of the fight and it was ratified at the end of the fight. Natsu sent Baquel flying to Ajeel’s airship and did it with a casual punch. It was never stated that Gildarts was holding himself, Gildarts used a finisher spell to defeat H-God Serena, thus, as I said, H-GS isn’t weak, after all if Laxus was portrayed as able to one-shot a regular Spriggan, Gildarts would defeat H-GS more easily if he was very weakened (once that Gildarts > Laxus).

- Wahl is actually a counter to anyone because he analyzes the opponent's weakness and fights exploring it (so you better count that Minerva was fighting against an opponent that was exploring her weakness). But, yeah, he is an extra-counter for Laxus because of his immunity to thunder, however, the fact that he tanked the physical strength that destroyed 3 floors it’s just his durability, which is good.

- You’re right, but, you need to count that attacks that impale, pierce or deeply cut the body are attacks that knock out who is hit by it and normally the person needs medical treatment. Example: Erza need’s treatment after being cut by H-Kyouka. Kagura stood up again at the end of the fight and helped Sting using her gravity magic. She is tough. Even at GMG, Erza didn’t knock out Kagura, Kagura was about to say the words for quitting the battle when Minerva pierced her.

- She restrained Loki, tying him, because Loki, as Lucy, resisted her and Elfman’s punches. If they’re punching Lucy and Loki and changed to tie Loki, it only shows that the punches sequence wasn’t able to defeat Loki.

- Laxus was weakened since the beginning of the arc, and it didn’t change the fact that, even in this state, he was about to one-shot Ajeel. H-GS weakened could measure physical strength with Gildarts (strongest wizard from FT), so surpassing H-Wahl with body techniques is a good feat for Minerva, after all, the true Wahl could hit Laxus with some punches, and Laxus is pretty fast.
- Of course, Minerva is faster than Lisanna. Was Lisanna portrayed to be able to react to someone that Erza described as fast?

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Was Lisanna portrayed as someone able to hold Erza in a fight? (because even after Erza grow up again in the Sun Village, she and Minerva were facing each other for a while and the winner wasn’t decided):

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Lisanna was portrayed as fast enough to hit H-Wahl in a taijutsu battle?

Let me remember you: Lisanna isn’t fast. Lisanna isn’t fast enough to really overpass Lucy even while Lucy isn’t using a speed-type Stardress. It’s Elfman who is portrayed as slow. He couldn’t hit Evergreen, couldn't hit Bacchus even while using a speed-type TO. Elfman is portrayed as someone who is physically strong but slow. So Lisanna being faster than him isn’t so much. Ah, and if you think of talk that Lisanna and Elfman are at Erza’s level of speed because they defeat Ajeel, let me remember you a few things:
1) Elfman managed to hit Sayla, who was faster than Mirajane’s Sitri because Sayla was distracted by Mirajane. So maybe Lisanna acted as a distractor for Ajeel.
2) Ajeel fights using sand and Elfman was using a Sand Beast to control/overcome the enemy attacks, we don’t know how Elfman was able to hit Ajeel, since the fight was off-panel, but it can have happened after Ajeel was weakened for spending a lot of mp in sand attacks that were thrown away by the Sand Beast, etc. What we clearly know it’s that Lisanna didn’t possess the speed to challenge someone who dodged some of Erza’s attacks and neither possessed Elfman, who is slower than her. Good thing that they fought in duo and with a tool to overcome Ajeel’s sand. That makes the battle, at least, possible of having happened.

- Minerva’s barrier wasn’t used against Erza in their fight with Tartaros. But it worked to defend against Kagura and Erza’s sword, worked to tank Juvia’s second origin attack and to defend Sabertooth from Natsu LFD attack, worked to protect her against Pisces attack in the spin-off. It doesn’t matter if Mashima nerfed Minerva’s magic in Tartaros arc and made her only fight with her ''demon's claws’’. We are arguing using all the capacities from the characters.

- The Starmix spell isn’t stronger than Uranometria. Uranometria drained out all Lucy’s mp reserves, a good part of Lucy’s mp reserves were still after using Starmix Leo-Virgo. It seems that Cana with his cards, Evergreen, Bickslow, etc. are able to defeat some Golens and it seems that Juvia defeated one using Water Nebula, so…. please, don't say that Golem > Minerva, friend!

 

[Seven777]

- You need some evidence to argue it. That the Historias are connected to Neinhart’s mp, we have the evidence when he said that maintaining them on the battlefield is taxing:

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You don’t have any statement about H-Wahl and H-Bloodman suddenly becoming very weak. And Mashima showed Mirajane saying that the fact that Jacob fought with eyes closed saved her from losing the battle against him, so Minerva or Rogue would say that the Historias became weaker. The one logical thing that the manga put - and that can explain why the Historias didn’t disappear after Neinhart’s defeat - is that Neinhart’s mp was filled and expanded to the extent that Brandish’s magic doesn’t work on him anymore, and, because it choked Brandish, before Irene have increased his mp, Brandish’s magic could work on him. So Neinhart’s mp was so increased that even in an unconscious state he kept providing mp to the Historias.
- Natsu was holding himself against Baquel. It was said from the beginning of the fight and it was ratified at the end of the fight. Natsu sent Baquel flying to Ajeel’s airship and did it with a casual punch. It was never stated that Gildarts was holding himself, Gildarts used a finisher spell to defeat H-God Serena, thus, as I said, H-GS isn’t weak, after all if Laxus was portrayed as able to one-shot a regular Spriggan, Gildarts would defeat H-GS more easily if he was very weakened (once that Gildarts > Laxus).

- Wahl is actually a counter to anyone because he analyzes the opponent's weakness and fights exploring it (so you better count that Minerva was fighting against an opponent that was exploring her weakness). But, yeah, he is an extra-counter for Laxus because of his immunity to thunder, however, the fact that he tanked the physical strength that destroyed 3 floors it’s just his durability, which is good.

- You’re right, but, you need to count that attacks that impale, pierce or deeply cut the body are attacks that knock out who is hit by it and normally the person needs medical treatment. Example: Erza need’s treatment after being cut by H-Kyouka. Kagura stood up again at the end of the fight and helped Sting using her gravity magic. She is tough. Even at GMG, Erza didn’t knock out Kagura, Kagura was about to say the words for quitting the battle when Minerva pierced her.

- She restrained Loki, tying him, because Loki, as Lucy, resisted her and Elfman’s punches. If they’re punching Lucy and Loki and changed to tie Loki, it only shows that the punches sequence wasn’t able to defeat Loki.

- Laxus was weakened since the beginning of the arc, and it didn’t change the fact that, even in this state, he was about to one-shot Ajeel. H-GS weakened could measure physical strength with Gildarts (strongest wizard from FT), so surpassing H-Wahl with body techniques is a good feat for Minerva, after all, the true Wahl could hit Laxus with some punches, and Laxus is pretty fast.
- Of course, Minerva is faster than Lisanna. Was Lisanna portrayed to be able to react to someone that Erza described as fast?

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Was Lisanna portrayed as someone able to hold Erza in a fight? (because even after Erza grow up again in the Sun Village, she and Minerva were facing each other for a while and the winner wasn’t decided):

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Lisanna was portrayed as fast enough to hit H-Wahl in a taijutsu battle?

Let me remember you: Lisanna isn’t fast. Lisanna isn’t fast enough to really overpass Lucy even while Lucy isn’t using a speed-type Stardress. It’s Elfman who is portrayed as slow. He couldn’t hit Evergreen, couldn't hit Bacchus even while using a speed-type TO. Elfman is portrayed as someone who is physically strong but slow. So Lisanna being faster than him isn’t so much. Ah, and if you think of talk that Lisanna and Elfman are at Erza’s level of speed because they defeat Ajeel, let me remember you a few things:
1) Elfman managed to hit Sayla, who was faster than Mirajane’s Sitri because Sayla was distracted by Mirajane. So maybe Lisanna acted as a distractor for Ajeel.
2) Ajeel fights using sand and Elfman was using a Sand Beast to control/overcome the enemy attacks, we don’t know how Elfman was able to hit Ajeel, since the fight was off-panel, but it can have happened after Ajeel was weakened for spending a lot of mp in sand attacks that were thrown away by the Sand Beast, etc. What we clearly know it’s that Lisanna didn’t possess the speed to challenge someone who dodged some of Erza’s attacks and neither possessed Elfman, who is slower than her. Good thing that they fought in duo and with a tool to overcome Ajeel’s sand. That makes the battle, at least, possible of having happened.

- Minerva’s barrier wasn’t used against Erza in their fight with Tartaros. But it worked to defend against Kagura and Erza’s sword, worked to tank Juvia’s second origin attack and to defend Sabertooth from Natsu LFD attack, worked to protect her against Pisces attack in the spin-off. It doesn’t matter if Mashima nerfed Minerva’s magic in Tartaros arc and made her only fight with her ''demon's claws’’. We are arguing using all the capacities from the characters.

- The Starmix spell isn’t stronger than Uranometria. Uranometria drained out all Lucy’s mp reserves, a good part of Lucy’s mp reserves were still after using Starmix Leo-Virgo. It seems that Cana with his cards, Evergreen, Bickslow, etc. are able to defeat some Golens and it seems that Juvia defeated one using Water Nebula, so…. please, don't say that Golem > Minerva, friend!

-Do I? I'll provide some as soon as you provide some saying the historia got stronger
-The taxing argument actually works in my favor, since Neinhart getting knocked out is a bigger nerf to his mp than enchantment is a buff.
-Doesn't need to be said. Natsu uses Demo Fists against fodder soldiers, am I supposed to be impressed? Assume Natsu went all out? Nah.
-No, he's a counter specifically to Laxus because he put actual effort into preparing against foes like him. His other weakness powers are just the bots.
-Yes, I am right. And no, I don't need to count any of that, because it's entirely irrelevant. Kagura wasn't injured by Yagdo, she didn't endure anything.
-She tied up Loke, because it was a joke to her. You really think she couldn't have just finished him at that point lol?
-No it's not, because Minerva didn't fight Wahl, she fought H.Wahl, aka fodder. Even Wahl himself is only around Ajeel tier, getting beat by a crippled Laxus.
-I didn't say she was fast, I said I'm not seeing any reason to believe fodder like Minerva is faster. As for teamwork, sure, still better than beating a historia
-Sure, in group battles Minerva's alright, her teleport and barrier are handy, shes a good support, not a good fighter. In a 1v1 you just punch her.
-Urano Metria drained her after she spent ages fighting everyone, but even if it's stronger, who cares? Lucy without Urano Metria is still stronger than Minerva. Wood Golems tanked a hit from Gajeel, that's far above Minerva's paygrade. As for Cana and the rest, well first off Cana hits way harder than Minerva does, she's probably oneshotting golems with Fairy Glitter like Lucy did. As for the rest, teamwork.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Elfman wins.

Probably with medium to high difficulty because he's not that fast and and due to nature of Minerva's magic.

EDIT: Minerva takes this. Her Magic is too haxed.

 

[AmitDS]

Minerva. Nothing really shows that Elfman grew stronger but Minerva just stagnated.

 

[Vex_Haid]

Elfman can one shot with his superior stats but Minerva can also BFR

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Elfman can one shot with his superior stats but Minerva can also BFR

What is BFR?

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

What is BFR?

Battle Field Removal.

It means that you have the ability to remove your opponent from the battlefield. Minerva's Territory can do that.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Battle Field Removal.

It means that you have the ability to remove your opponent from the battlefield. Minerva's Territory can do that.

Elfman doesn't have an answer to Territory used to making the target lift in the air. He doesn't have blast to launch in his TO forms or long or mid-range attacks. If Minerva just lifts him and spams explosions he will be attacked until she desires to not attack anymore, which could be the entire duration of the battle, ie, until she uses all her magic power.

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[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Elfman doesn't have an answer to Territory used to making the target lift in the air. He doesn't have blast to launch in his TO forms or long or mid-range attacks. If Minerva just lifts him and spams explosions he will be attacked until she desires to not attack anymore, which could be the entire duration of the battle, ie, until she uses all her magic power.​

Yeah, that's why I changed my vote to Minerva. Her Magic is haxed asf

 

[Vex_Haid]

What is BFR?

what eric said, it can teleport people out of the fighting zone, minerva can use it to her advantage and BFR elfman since his travel speed sucks so he wont be able to blitz her

 

[FireIce]

Elfman wins.

Alvarez Minerva barely beat a significantly weakened version of Wahl and was unsure of whether she won or not.

Alvarez Elfman defeated Ajeel (who should be much stronger than this version of Wahl). He may have got Lisanna's help but she got oneshot by Lucy so it's not like she did anything significant, she was mostly a support.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Elfman has no way of beating Minerva unless you drastically nerf her. No reason she couldn't use the drain spell on Elfman like she did Millana. Elfman doesn't have any way to counter Minerva's magic.

He only stood a remote chance against Ajeel because he had a form that gave resistance towards Ajeel magic and he had Lissana help. So using that as a way to say he beats Minerva is a joke. Also the fight was off paneled and even Lissana was standing afterwards. By yal logic even Lissana can beat Minerva while in her cat form.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

After Elfman X Gaia, nothing changed, so Minerva would win with difficulty.

 

[Goku solos]

Elfman slam

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Elfman slam

Elfman's speed portrayal in Alvarez Arc:

Minerva, since her introduction:

 

[Jko]

Using feats that are so far outdated that you might as well be talking about Minerva beating BoS characters at that point.

Elfman washes. He defeated and stalemated stronger opponent than Minerva has ever faced.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Using feats that are so far outdated that you might as well be talking about Minerva beating BoS characters at that point.

Elfman washes. He defeated and stalemated stronger opponent than Minerva has ever faced.

Good thing that the "magic system" from Fairy Tail isn't something as simple as that; otherwise, since Elfman fought the same opponent that Erza was struggling with and needed Bisca's help to win, he would be as strong as Erza, and this idea goes against every arc from Fairy Tail. How would Elfman, in the same arc that he is portrayed as slower than Lisanna, be a real challenge to Erza as a fighter?

Erza was at a disadvantage against Ajeel because he could turn her swords into sand, and because Marin, for a while, prevented Erza from changing armor.
Elfman, for the other side, had an advantage against Ajeel's magic, because he was using a Beast Soul that was sandproof, and he also was receiving back-up from Lisanna, who, as said before, was portrayed as faster than him in the beginning of the arc:

Elfman wasn't able to touch a "speed robot" that Lisanna could defeat:

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Lisanna isn't a fast wizard; it's just that Elfman is really slow.

The fact that Ajeel couldn't knock out even Lisanna means that any strong attack from him was dealt by Elfman's Sand Beast.

Minerva, of course, fought Wahl Historia by herself without any advantage against his magic. Wahl's power can find a weakness in his enemy and exploit it.

The outcome of a battle shouldn't be counted without the context of the battle itself. Thus, the only thing "outdated" is the way that you analyze the characters' powers, by counting only the outcome of the battles without their context.

While you can't even guarantee that Elfman's speed has caught Minerva's speed from the GMG arc, I can guarantee that Minerva's speed is on par with "casual Erza" from 100 Years Quest, based on Minerva's performance against Lusso, which is basically enough to attest that Elfman will have a hard time trying to land a blow on Minerva.

Minerva is faster, smarter, and can use her spatial magic to spam attacks on Elfman even while keeping distance from him, if she wants. I'm not downplaying Elfman's endurance, so, of course, Minerva would have to waste a lot of magic power to knock him down, but based on how she outclasses him in speed, she has a better chance of winning.

 

[Rigel]

Elfman will never touch Minerva, considering her reaction and teleportation abilities. She's also naturally agile.

At some point, Minerva will overcome Elfman's resistance with her explosions.

 

[Jko]

Lol, wrap this up. Elfman could tank anything Minerva does until she runs out of magic then swat her like a fly. Base Elfman would be enough to beat her.

Minerva is not on Elf's level.