The Red Witches have a similar role to the Silver Dwarves. Their abilities come from the tower, and they are more like guides than seers of the future or fate.
The only three I remember who could see the future were Zahard, Hockney, and Khel Hellam.
I don't think Arlene has the ability to see fate. I'm not sure why she knows it, but the prophecy was given after she pleaded with OG.
To say that Enryu and Arlene had absolutely no connection is a bit hard to believe.
Garam said that Enryu appeared at FoD because he couldn't forgive Zahard for defiling the land of Arlene.
Of course, it's possible that Garam just believed it and it's not necessarily true.
I still don't understand why the origin of the powers matters here. We still don't know anything about the Red Witches and Silver Dwarves's origins.
Even if they need Shinsoo to do it, it can still be linked to Enryu. I don't believe that Arlen can see fate either, but I don't see why you would think that she is the one who came up with the prophecy.
For me, it's more accurate to say that there is something between Arlen and the OG, the former offered Baam so that her wish could be granted. The link between Enryu and Arlen exists because Enryu is the OG's subordinate. Enryu was doing his job.
Garam wasn't there and said "As if unable to forgive him" she hasn't confirmed anything. Anyway, what I am saying is that regardless of what Enryu thought of Arlen, he didn't come here because of personal feelings. He came because he was ordered to.
"Go there, slaughter Zahard's followers, leave a message along with the Thorn."
Just nerf Phanta to 1.5x Enryu levels and I am fine with every other stuff. I know the entire idea, even in Türkiye there are authors that create a universe first, then fills it with chapters, but suddenly they also realize that so much foci was allocated to universe-wise negligible chars, hence, they start to trim things out. We have gone chapters for chapters even for LPB Haratcha.
The presence of Phantaminium who can just erase ToG for good with a flick of his hand, and also even supposed fact that he can ascend floor 135 (or beyond) in those blog posts, make it meaningless to read the story. At least we should have a hope of having something in Zahard that will prevent whimsical erasure of this beautiful story against Phantaminium.
Will his axis status gone when you broke all jewels? That may make it really really fun to read.
Blog posts don’t matter anymore. Deleted for a reason. I don’t engage with anyone who brings them up to make points in the story.
they were rough drafts. That’s it. SIU knows he doesn’t have the time to write a multiverse of stories. He will just rework his blog posts to make it just about the tower and how it relates to the places people are being brought in from.
Blog posts don’t matter anymore. Deleted for a reason. I don’t engage with anyone who brings them up to make points in the story.
they were rough drafts. That’s it. SIU knows he doesn’t have the time to write a multiverse of stories. He will just rework his blog posts to make it just about the tower and how it relates to the places people are being brought in from.
The concept of axis comes from BP in the first place and in an recent interview it was confirmed phanta is indeed an axis. King of jewels was also mentioned in BP.
Blog posts don’t matter anymore. Deleted for a reason. I don’t engage with anyone who brings them up to make points in the story.
they were rough drafts. That’s it. SIU knows he doesn’t have the time to write a multiverse of stories. He will just rework his blog posts to make it just about the tower and how it relates to the places people are being brought in from.
The concept of axis comes from BP in the first place and in an recent interview it was confirmed phanta is indeed an axis. King of jewels was also mentioned in BP.
I like how @Kenneth Latorre is strong on this, let's just collectively disbelieve about it, maybe if we don't like enough, SIU will retcon just like how he killed Mano possibly because of bad ratings of her too much screentime chapter.
What I mean is that the Red Witch existed during Arlene's time. That is, before Enryu entered the tower.
Enryu entering the tower, or being connected to Arlene, must have happened after Arlene left the tower.
This doesn’t contradict the theory of an original “mission” behind the Tower Climb that Zahard has been defying.
De Jah was granted the power to see fate after witnessing Enryu. Enryu either has fate powers or something crazier. Red Witches have them too. Earlier, I said Arlene was a priestess of the OG and Enryu his apostle, but what if Enryu had his own priestesses?
Moreover, what is something Enryu is rumoured to be able to do? Creating life out of shinsoo.
Well, that explains how they can all be female. RWs are lives Enryu created with shinsoo. But that begs the same question, how were they there before Enryu entered the Tower?
Well first, we don’t actually know when he entered the Tower. He could have been the oldest Irregular in hiding. But let’s just assume he entered the Tower on the 43rd floor. This has a major implication.
Enryu beat an admin, he chose to enter the tower at a specific location from the outside, and he potentially created living beings within the tower before he ever entered. Meaning he has the ability to see what’s going on in the tower from the outside, he can pick where to enter from the outside and affect the tower from the outside, and he is immediately familiar and ultra-skilled with the tower’s skill tree.
What’s above an admin? Maybe a developer?
Enryu could have had a hand in creating the tower from the very start. As part of the Outside God’s mission. This could explain why he has shinsoo mastery, why he called Zahard a “False King”, and introduces a good reason for why he can’t solve all Baam’s problems eos.
at some point SIU is just going to say: ah fuck it, i will let an advanced AI scan my art, my drafts and all media and forums with opinions such as this one, compile a general consensus with the data available and give out 3 possible scenarios that will play out. he will wait and see how people react and then the best predicted scenario will become reality.
zahard is trying to become an axis by tapping into this causality mastery method. he is self aware, post meeting phantaminum, that he is just another player or npc in someone elses story. phanta is probably playing him into a corner in order to laugh at his folly in the end. The Riddle will have his day.
But if SIU will choose to keep and recycle the bit about Zahard being the seed of the Conqueror King, with his 3 eye symbol regalia, it means that a power struggle over TOG between Phanta and CK is raging on. That would explain why phanta can't simply just erase the tower on a whim.
Remember what Rachel said about Baam being a monster meant to devour the Tower? From @Demonspeed link; Newly awakened axis tend to go on a rampage.
Rachel is so deeply linked to Baam. It looks similar to the relationship between Traumerei and his Leviathan. She is a vessel for all of the negative and bad emotions that Baam has been subjected to during his climb. To me it looks like she is playing a role sometimes, and because of her existing( and being the only one who knows Baam), Baam himself can forge the path he is down on.Deep down despite resenting and envying him, she can't help but be awestruck by his brilliance and perhaps.... believe in him? Most of her life after all was dedicated to him, and she would be completely lost without him existing.
That would explain a few things.Because Hwa Ryun thought and even seemed at times to tower above and be downright condescending to Rachel in many occasions. And with good reason too.In the end though, even she acknowledged Rachel as vital and integral to Baam's path.
One cannot be without the other, like the Night without Stars. I foresee a tragic end for her, that will somehow dignify and elevate her to the status that SIU sees her at: his favourite.
I still don't understand why the origin of the powers matters here. We still don't know anything about the Red Witches and Silver Dwarves's origins.
Even if they need Shinsoo to do it, it can still be linked to Enryu. I don't believe that Arlen can see fate either, but I don't see why you would think that she is the one who came up with the prophecy.
For me, it's more accurate to say that there is something between Arlen and the OG, the former offered Baam so that her wish could be granted. The link between Enryu and Arlen exists because Enryu is the OG's subordinate. Enryu was doing his job.
Garam wasn't there and said "As if unable to forgive him" she hasn't confirmed anything. Anyway, what I am saying is that regardless of what Enryu thought of Arlen, he didn't come here because of personal feelings. He came because he was ordered to.
"Go there, slaughter Zahard's followers, leave a message along with the Thorn."
There's no romance here between Arlene and Enryu. I said they knew each other, Arlene might not have even met OG and Enryu, but at least Enryu should know about Arlene. Enryu opened the door on floor 43, Arlene's land, instead of any other floor.
As for the Red Witch, there's nothing to prove they're related to Enryu. The only thing they have in common is their red hair. The Red Witch most likely appeared before Enryu.
Well first, we don’t actually know when he entered the Tower. He could have been the oldest Irregular in hiding. But let’s just assume he entered the Tower on the 43rd floor. This has a major implication.
We saw Enryu passing through a double-winged door that looked pretty much like the one Baam had opened.
If all the Irregulars (except Phanta, who we didn’t know how to get in) went through a door to enter the tower, it would likely be the first time Enryu entered the tower.
I'm pretty sure the 43rd floor administrator sees him as an intruder. If Enryu was involved in creating the tower, he and the administrator shouldn't be fighting.
Enne mentioned that the real King had locked himself inside the Red Dump. Basically, the False King refers to the king currently residing on floor 134.
zahard is trying to become an axis by tapping into this causality mastery method. he is self aware, post meeting phantaminum, that he is just another player or npc in someone elses story. phanta is probably playing him into a corner in order to laugh at his folly in the end. The Riddle will have his day.
I believe that Zahard is fighting against the gods and playing with his fate.
I'm pretty sure he believed he should be king, but then things turned out differently.
Unlike Demonspeed, I don't think Zahard and the FHs were lying about the outside world being a hell. I think their world was also engulfed in war and death. Zahard told GoG that he wanted to turn this tower into the place where people could live happily. Traumerei and Gustang also said they didn't like humans.
Clearly, the world the GWs once lived in was pretty bad. Even Urek's world wasn't a good place to live. Mago already devoured several planets there.
There's no romance here between Arlene and Enryu. I said they knew each other, Arlene might not have even met OG and Enryu, but at least Enryu should know about Arlene. Enryu opened the door on floor 43, Arlene's land, instead of any other floor.
As for the Red Witch, there's nothing to prove they're related to Enryu. The only thing they have in common is their red hair. The Red Witch most likely appeared before Enryu.
I didn't use feelings to say that he had romantic feelings for her. It makes more sense for Arlen to have met the OG and not Enryu since she offered Baam to the OG. And of course Enryu, his servant, would know about her.
Red Hair and have strong Guide powers allowing them to know the future, not too different from what Hockney has. Enryu was ordered to do what he had to do there, he obviously knew the details.
First Towerborns were plants and robots, no Humans. It's been implied that Cha is the descendant of the first Human of the Tower.
We don't know when Red Witches came to be and Enryu might have entered the Tower way before Zahard even if he didn't climb it. He is the follower of a deity.
Enryu could have had a hand in creating the tower from the very start. As part of the Outside God’s mission. This could explain why he has shinsoo mastery, why he called Zahard a “False King”, and introduces a good reason for why he can’t solve all Baam’s problems eos.
I believe that Zahard is fighting against the gods and playing with his fate.
I'm pretty sure he believed he should be king, but then things turned out differently.
Unlike Demonspeed, I don't think Zahard and the FHs were lying about the outside world being a hell. I think their world was also engulfed in war and death. Zahard told GoG that he wanted to turn this tower into the place where people could live happily. Traumerei and Gustang also said they didn't like humans.
Clearly, the world the GWs once lived in was pretty bad. Even Urek's world wasn't a good place to live. Mago already devoured several planets there.
Why do you think Zahard recruited companions to enter the Tower if his place was hellish? They chickened out while a war was ongoing? Zahard himself said his place was vast and rich. Zahard wanted adventure, that's why he entered.
Now with all his power he is still not trying to go outside? There are battles outside but Urek didn't say the place was hellish. He wants to leave even. Zahard and co told the Towerborns "You shouldn't even think about going outside" and he sealed the door to upper floors.
Based on the storyline, I'm pretty sure the tower opened its doors for Zahard to enter. He, like the other GWs, was chosen by the tower. This means they were "walking along the road when the doors appeared", rather than them searching for an adventure and then finding it.
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There's no proof that their original world was a good place. We have two characters here who even say they don't like humans.
Nothing he said implies that his place was hellish.
Based on the storyline, I'm pretty sure the tower opened its doors for Zahard to enter. He, like the other GWs, was chosen by the tower. This means they were "walking along the road when the doors appeared", rather than them searching for an adventure and then finding it.
That goes against Zahard's character. He is an adventurer. He opened the door because he wanted an adventure. He recruited Hon, even 10-0'd him to get him.
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Traumerei and Gustang being introverted or perhaps sociopaths has nothing to do with the condition of the outside world. Traumerei likes to control things and even hates it when plants grow. He was clearly a wild child.
Gustang is a nerd more interested in books and research than people.
That goes against Zahard's character. He is an adventurer. He opened the door because he wanted an adventure. He recruited Hon, even 10-0'd him to get him.
He was an adventurer, but with no hint that he had ever lived in a good place. Urek also started from such a terrible place that others saw him as their only hope.
Traumerei and Gustang being introverted or perhaps sociopaths has nothing to do with the condition of the outside world. Traumerei likes to control things and even hates it when plants grow. He was clearly a wild child.
Gustang is a nerd more interested in books and research than people.
The context also contributes to a child’s personality. You can’t say that he was born that way. If you live where you are happy, there is no reason to hate people.
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Furthermore, you're assuming that Zahard and the FHs are lying. They themselves said that the outside world is hell.
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In the main story, even V and Arlene don't talk about leaving. What they want is to continue climbing the tower.
Only after V and Baam die does Arlene try to leave.
Vast and Spacious doesn't imply in any way that it's a good place.
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He was an adventurer, but with no hint that he had ever lived in a good place. Urek also started from such a terrible place that others saw him as their only hope.
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The context also contributes to a child’s personality. You can’t say that he was born that way. If you live where you are happy, there is no reason to hate people.
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Furthermore, you're assuming that Zahard and the FHs are lying. They themselves said that the outside world is hell.
I can't believe someone who is a reader would say such things. The GWs had a conflict with V and Arlen because they didn't want to keep climbing.
You can say whatever you want about no hint that he lived in a good place(wrong, considering what he said about his place), there is zero hint that he lived in a bad place.
Urek never said his place was hellish. There are conflicts because of the Shinies, he was born to face them and Phanta. He experienced losses through his journey of course. Urek was even happy to see Danzon challenge him to the death because he wasn't treated this way outside due to his strength and the circumstances.
Why do you think Zahard recruited Hon? Because he wanted a friend? He obviously gathered companions for an adventure and they opened the doors.
Wether Traumerei and Gustang were born that way is irrelevant. Introverts are a thing.
Zahard has the strongest team of all time. Why are they not climbing instead of playing gods?
You can say whatever you want about no hint that he lived in a good place(wrong, considering what he said about his place), there is zero hint that he lived in a bad place.
The fact that Hon and Zahard knew each other beforehand doesn't prove that all 13 of them knew each other before entering the tower.
Hon challenged Zahard, not Zahard challenged Hon.
There's no hint that Zahard assembled a group before entering the tower. If yes, why would they need to choose a leader?
What did Zahard say about his place?
Only Vast and Spacious.
No hint?? Zahard said the outside world was hell. You're assuming he was lying.
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The fact that Hon and Zahard knew each other beforehand doesn't prove that all 13 of them knew each other before entering the tower.
Hon challenged Zahard, not Zahard challenged Hon.
There's no hint that Zahard assembled a group before entering the tower. If yes, why would they need to choose a leader?
Hon was already Zahard's servant. You think he didn't play the crown game then? It's also possible that there was no consensus yet or that some were reluctant. So he came up with the Crown Game to set things straight. They clearly entered around the same time.
IMO, I'm pretty sure one of the reasons is that Zahard was forced to become King, so he couldn't climb any further. And he convinced everyone to stop and build an empire there.
Zahard and co don't care about Towerborns, but they are warning them because the outside is "hellish". The conflict between the GWs started because those who were pro-Zahard didn't want to climb anymore.
Zahard lost his adventurer identity to play king and he isn't even considered fitting for the job.
IMO, I'm pretty sure one of the reasons is that Zahard was forced to become King, so he couldn't climb any further. And he convinced everyone to stop and build an empire there.
Forced by who? He lied to his friends about the Zahard Princess story, created keys, even has some secrets regarding the Red Dump etc. Because he is obeying someone? Rang even boasts about their strength.
Your attempts at making Zahard look like some kind of saint are backfiring.
So, fate is a person now? Zahard is boasting that he can play with fate, but he is a victim of it?
Gustang came up with the suggestion for the Zahard Princess system. Did Zahard have to accept? No. He tricked them all and no one knows the truth. He is a schemer.
I said Zahard was forced. You ask, "Who?" I didn't he was forced by anyone.
It doesn't matter whether Zahard became King before or after he figured out how to play with fate, but he had a new goal instead of climbing the tower.
I said Zahard was forced. You ask, "Who?" I didn't he was forced by anyone.
It doesn't matter whether Zahard became King before or after he figured out how to play with fate, but he had a new goal instead of climbing the tower.
So he is still a schemer and a liar who doesn't want people to climb higher or leave the Tower. The decision to stop climbing was the root of the conflict between his supporters and V + Arlen. When he decided to become king, he proposed to Arlen, who rejected him. Marriage wasn't proposed by Gustang, people wanted him to marry since he was the king. Gustang suggested a competition between Zahard Princesses because no normal person can father his children since his blood is too strong. He tricked his companions because he didn't want anyone but Arlen, even for political reasons.
He has the absolute strongest team but is unwilling to go higher. The Tower is meant to be climbed, Baam is willing to do this with his friends and companions he gathered, none of them will ever be as strong as even the weakest of the GWs.
