Question About Outside God and the Tower

[VON]

We can't be too sure yet, since we still don't have a proper translated chapter.

Who knows, what was might be different.

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That would mean the shinsoo is an axis too .

Its the power/axis field of an axis. Thats how it can be used to fight against shiny ones with their PoL.

 

[kkck]

hmm, I am not ready to jump on the bandwagon that all axis necessarily have an affinity for light or for darkness. Tentatively we know that darkness in some capacity made phantaminum but on the other hand axis have absolute control over causality within their stories.

 

[Shinwonryu]

If we accept Enryu is the OG’s shiny, then the OG is an axis on a religious mission.

1) Arlen’s garb is that of a priestess.
2) Enryu is furious her shrine was desecrated. Why is he furious for some human? Or is it just an act as part of a contract?
3) The organization in the Tower that is probably most aligned with the OG’s goals are FUG and I would say particularly the Red Witches, who share the same color hair as Enryu.

Whatever the OG wants, Zahard is actively rebelling against him. Working theory that Zahard and Arlen knew of him before they ever entered the Tower. That’s for another time.

 

[Sky is blue]

i think OG is not interested in tower itself. Just look at what one of his servants can do; Enryu casually entered the tower on a random floor and murdered its administrator, which are known as pinnacle of the tower's power system. Someone of outside God lvl probably doesn't need anything from this tower.
(Imo OG is much higher level of being even when compared to phantanium)

He is probably only interfering because Arlene asked him to. Idk What connection Arlene and Zahard has with him exactly but ig I will go with others belief regarding Arlene being a OG worshipper; I do have a theory/idea for Zahard's connection with him but I will refrain from talking about it now

 

[Strange]

Outside god is pentaminum

 

[maverickframe_19]

The most obvious scenario. Tower and Phanta were both created by the same person. He built the tower to deal with Phanta in his own way after he refused his orders. Phanta, aware of this fact, desires the tower's dominion to prevent Baam from becoming an axis; however, he is unaware that Arlene, the witch, also worshiped darkness, so darkness blessed her by reviving the child and implanting his own soul and powers in him. In this way, Baam is the second child of darkness, brother to Phanta. According to that metric, Baam's potential and destiny is to become an axis by consuming shinsoo from the tower.
Darkness granted Phanta the ability to consume light in addition to his own darkness power, which he used to defeat shiny ones.
Darkness granted Baam the ability to consume all of the tower's shinshoo, as well as his own darkness power, in order to defeat Phanta later. (I say this because we now know that "shinshoo" can also translate well to the "outside" against the light powers, especially when used by its created axis.)

Tower Of God, written by -maverickframe_19

what say @MonsterBaam @arrowofsky

 

[arrowofsky]

The most obvious scenario. Tower and Phanta were both created by the same person. He built the tower to deal with Phanta in his own way after he refused his orders. Phanta, aware of this fact, desires the tower's dominion to prevent Baam from becoming an axis; however, he is unaware that Arlene, the witch, also worshiped darkness, so darkness blessed her by reviving the child and implanting his own soul and powers in him. In this way, Baam is the second child of darkness, brother to Phanta. According to that metric, Baam's potential and destiny is to become an axis by consuming shinsoo from the tower.
Darkness granted Phanta the ability to consume light in addition to his own darkness power, which he used to defeat shiny ones.
Darkness granted Baam the ability to consume all of the tower's shinshoo, as well as his own darkness power, in order to defeat Phanta later. (I say this because we now know that "shinshoo" can also translate well to the "outside" against the light powers, especially when used by its created axis.)

Tower Of God, written by -maverickframe_19

what say @MonsterBaam @arrowofsky

I am completely fine with this Urekless scenario or that he became a weapon for Baam later xD but if we are to go for balance, Urek and light should always be there. If we are to go for absolute dominion of later coming power, like 1) light appeared, 2) phanta , 3)Urek, ... x) shinsoo-ToG, I will need origin of ToG and what will come next. Later, Urek may be defeated first by OP Baam, but then we will have more seasons of spinoff and Urek will make a come back and beat our MC once and for all. You know, shift of real MCs ((:

 

[maverickframe_19]

I am completely fine with this Urekless scenario or that he became a weapon for Baam later xD but if we are to go for balance, Urek and light should always be there. If we are to go for absolute dominion of later coming power, like 1) light appeared, 2) phanta , 3)Urek, ... x) shinsoo-ToG, I will need origin of ToG and what will come next. Later, Urek may be defeated first by OP Baam, but then we will have more seasons of spinoff and Urek will make a come back and beat our MC once and for all. You know, shift of real MCs ((:

Hahahahaha, I completely understand, but we all know Urek will be fighting alongside Baam against Phanta.

I mean, if Phanta the Axis can have six shiny ones on his side, Baam the Axis should be able to have one in Urek as well. That is what I consider to be true universal balance. After Phanta is defeated, there will be only darkness (Baam) and light (Urek), the perfect balance that the universe was designed to be.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

The most obvious scenario. Tower and Phanta were both created by the same person. He built the tower to deal with Phanta in his own way after he refused his orders. Phanta, aware of this fact, desires the tower's dominion to prevent Baam from becoming an axis; however, he is unaware that Arlene, the witch, also worshiped darkness, so darkness blessed her by reviving the child and implanting his own soul and powers in him. In this way, Baam is the second child of darkness, brother to Phanta. According to that metric, Baam's potential and destiny is to become an axis by consuming shinsoo from the tower.
Darkness granted Phanta the ability to consume light in addition to his own darkness power, which he used to defeat shiny ones.
Darkness granted Baam the ability to consume all of the tower's shinshoo, as well as his own darkness power, in order to defeat Phanta later. (I say this because we now know that "shinshoo" can also translate well to the "outside" against the light powers, especially when used by its created axis.)

Tower Of God, written by -maverickframe_19

what say @MonsterBaam @arrowofsky

The question is why didn't darkness simply create a being to oppose phanta itself? Why take so much time to create a tower and a chosen one who needs to clear the tower to get axis powers? Feels farfetched to me. Imo tower was created by different unknown being who maybe dead or they transformed themselves into the tower itself. We shall see eventually.

 

[undefined]

The most obvious scenario. Tower and Phanta were both created by the same person. He built the tower to deal with Phanta in his own way after he refused his orders. Phanta, aware of this fact, desires the tower's dominion to prevent Baam from becoming an axis; however, he is unaware that Arlene, the witch, also worshiped darkness, so darkness blessed her by reviving the child and implanting his own soul and powers in him. In this way, Baam is the second child of darkness, brother to Phanta. According to that metric, Baam's potential and destiny is to become an axis by consuming shinsoo from the tower.
Darkness granted Phanta the ability to consume light in addition to his own darkness power, which he used to defeat shiny ones.
Darkness granted Baam the ability to consume all of the tower's shinshoo, as well as his own darkness power, in order to defeat Phanta later. (I say this because we now know that "shinshoo" can also translate well to the "outside" against the light powers, especially when used by its created axis.)

Tower Of God, written by -maverickframe_19

what say @MonsterBaam @arrowofsky

If darkness created the tower because of phanta then that would mean the shinning ones and countless other beings of light shown in chapter 1 of the spin-off are older than the tower itself. Idk that just feels weird.

 

[Strange]

If darkness created the tower because of phanta then that would mean the shinning ones and countless other beings of light shown in chapter 1 of the spin-off are older than the tower itself. Idk that just feels weird.

Shining ones are older than any beings you have ever seen , we haven't seen darkness and light but only they are older than shinies

darkness didn't create any kind of tower at all , if he did then there is no way he'd need to send enryu and destroy 43th floor LOL why would he ever do such thing ? he may give an order and done deal but nope , hedon strictly follows rules and he is boss of each admin so he is capable to punish any admin so if darkness was towers creator he'd need to give order hedon who follows 100% rules strictly so nope towers creator isn't darkness

darkness is above towers creator paygrade surely

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darkness is above towers creator paygrade surely

darkness literally created pentaminum out of thin air and light created urek out of thin air , darkness doesn't need to bother with these kind of nonsense if he wanted to birth another axis

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darkness literally created pentaminum out of thin air and light created urek out of thin air , darkness doesn't need to bother with these kind of nonsense if he wanted to birth another axis

This is enough to disprove that darkness is creator of tower , he shall not bother with these kind of childish things LOL
the guy created pentaminum so surely he can make another pentaminum like being easily if he wanted

hell light created entire universe with planets and all kind of life forms LOL

so idk why people trying so hard to link baam with darkness but my guess is cuz of baam LOL yet my dudes, baam is product of pentaminum 1000%

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Shining ones are older than any beings you have ever seen , we haven't seen darkness and light but only they are older than shinies

darkness didn't create any kind of tower at all , if he did then there is no way he'd need to send enryu and destroy 43th floor LOL why would he ever do such thing ? he may give an order and done deal but nope , hedon strictly follows rules and he is boss of each admin so he is capable to punish any admin so if darkness was towers creator he'd need to give order hedon who follows 100% rules strictly so nope towers creator isn't darkness

darkness is above towers creator paygrade surely

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darkness literally created pentaminum out of thin air and light created urek out of thin air , darkness doesn't need to bother with these kind of nonsense if he wanted to birth another axis

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This is enough to disprove that darkness is creator of tower , he shall not bother with these kind of childish things LOL
the guy created pentaminum so surely he can make another pentaminum like being easily if he wanted

hell light created entire universe with planets and all kind of life forms LOL

so idk why people trying so hard to link baam with darkness but my guess is cuz of baam LOL yet my dudes, baam is product of pentaminum 1000%

And before any smart-a## will tell me how baam is the only one who can devour i will give you answer, urek can devour mago can devour aubrion can any shiny can devour and anyone can devour LOL so dont give me those kind of nonsensical arguments please

 

[maverickframe_19]

The question is why didn't darkness simply create a being to oppose phanta itself? Why take so much time to create a tower and a chosen one who needs to clear the tower to get axis powers? Feels farfetched to me. Imo tower was created by different unknown being who maybe dead or they transformed themselves into the tower itself. We shall see eventually.

Really, you read Tower of God, and you think time matters? Do you think Urek counts his years? What's time to a being who created an axis and existed before even light? You're thinking in the wrong direction. Time is never an issue to any god in any mythology.

If darkness created the tower because of phanta then that would mean the shinning ones and countless other beings of light shown in chapter 1 of the spin-off are older than the tower itself. Idk that just feels weird.

SIU is hellbent on retconning so many things timeline-wise; do you think this feat is beyond him? LOL.

 

[kkck]

Given how axis function as authors of a story the most likely scenario is that they have some influence over causality. Though the actual limit is unclear. In theory they have more influence over future events than past events. Given their role as authors it'd make sense they are not bound by the laws of the story they have authority over including time. Odds are that urek and phanta are intruders in the tower of god story so it's unclear how they are or aren't constrained.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Really, you read Tower of God, and you think time matters? Do you think Urek counts his years? What's time to a being who created an axis and existed before even light? You're thinking in the wrong direction. Time is never an issue to any god in any mythology.



SIU is hellbent on retconning so many things timeline-wise; do you think this feat is beyond him? LOL.

The thing is why not create a character directly as strong as phanta? Why create tower and then give your powers to someone else and let them consume the tower and to become that powerful? Pretty inefficient way to go about doing things imo. We shall see.

 

[Strange]

The thing is why not create a character directly as strong as phanta? Why create tower and then give your powers to someone else and let them consume the tower and to become that powerful?

Yeah that is dumbest thing lol , just imagine you are plotting for gazzilion years that one thing , like you are so powerful and yet you are waiting for some weak ant to be born ? just snap your finger, aren't you creator of the tower ? creator of shinsoo ? cant you make a being also ? even mecseth can do that , yet towers creator cannot ? just make some puppet give him that shinsoo and be done with it why all these childish games ? like not touch robots ? dont do this ? don't do that ? isn't this kind of games are all designed by childrens ? and this part makes me think that its impossible towers creator to be this dumb and have mind of a child

 

[arrowofsky]

The thing is why not create a character directly as strong as phanta? Why create tower and then give your powers to someone else and let them consume the tower and to become that powerful? Pretty inefficient way to go about doing things imo. We shall see.

Felt like "bored God" or "but s/he wanted to write a compelling story" plotline. I would not be surprised about this really, things are generally inefficient in ToG, e.g. look at Urek.

 

[Demonspeed]

Felt like "bored God" or "but s/he wanted to write a compelling story" plotline. I would not be surprised about this really, things are generally inefficient in ToG, e.g. look at Urek.

No, that's straight up stupid.

I don't think it's possible for The Darkness to recreate something as strong as Phanta anyway.

 

[arrowofsky]

No, that's straight up stupid.

I don't think it's possible for The Darkness to recreate something as strong as Phanta anyway.

I was justifying the tower creation part, not recreating phanta.

 

[Demonspeed]

I was justifying the tower creation part, not recreating phanta.

I know. Phanta disobeyed it and has been roaming free ever since. Darkness isn't some kind of schemer who is in control. Phanta is beyond it.

Creating a Tower, wait for millennia etc. It doesn't work.

 

[maverickframe_19]

The thing is why not create a character directly as strong as phanta? Why create tower and then give your powers to someone else and let them consume the tower and to become that powerful? Pretty inefficient way to go about doing things imo. We shall see.

I'll tell you it's a simple answer. In any mythology, the higher powers always create someone, such as an avatar, to guide humanity in a positive and prosperous direction. Why did higher powers create Jesus? How much similarity have we seen between Baam and Jesus? Darkness desired a messiah who could lead humanity in a better direction, one who was not corrupted by all power. People cannot follow, relate to, or respect you unless they see you struggle and overcome adversity on your own. That describes Baam's journey and the tower's purpose. By all means, the OG wanted his new creation to be distinct from Phanta, so he sealed his abilities, memories, and so on. He told Baam, "Bro, you're starting at the bottom of the irregular tier, but with time, you'll stand alongside the likes of my first creation, Phanta."


In other news, bro, the new One Piece chapter was so peak. Oh my god. SIU will never touch Oda levels, I am convinced. The GOAT.