Games Mafia Game 138 - Cowboy Lovebop - End Game

[Natasha]

Multivote Lover Conspiracy

Lover Hardy and Lover GrySun voted for Juviii?
Lover Hardy and Lover Anon voted for Juviii?
Lover GrySun and Lover Anon voted for Juviii?
The Anon Vote came from Gry/Hardy? 2+1.
Noble Lover scenario.

Due to D1 and N1 result
Sam and Juv can't be lovers with each other
Nogs and James can't be lovers witch each other
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The Anon Vote also saved xi0 - who had two locked votes!

Mafia teammates saving xi0?

Suspicious.

DD could've been annoned if the angle was to save xi0 but they chose Juviii which seems like a riskier push. I could've played better and maybe saved her. It's hindsight but I still feel like I done fucked it

At the very least I'm not paranoid about anyone which is cool ig.

On a more positive note...

Psychiatrist Threesome Candidate

That's a crazy combo of role + secondary for lovers to have. Imagine relying on the psych in endgame to find lovers and they're in on it. Thanks maf?

But it's Panda Gaem he could come up with that OP combination

First Hider Traitor last game now Pysch 3some Panda is cooking up town nightmares scenarios and they never seem to work out

I thought I was quite clear in that I'm the Noble with hints and with my last couple posts. Even if you don't know Stoat memes I said I'm gonna nuke someone soon.

I ruled out noble from what you could be since you said you were fine getting NVD'd which would just make you vanilla unless I'm misunderstanding? Hrmm...

 

[SirSamuel016]

She was there online when asked about it and just ignored. Why did she decide to hide Healthy in that situation, I dont know what she was thinking. Holt said it too at end of day.
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That said Sam why did you try saving her by voting for someone with 0 votes..?

Who else was logged in at the time and decided to let the Juviii lynch happen? Maybe one of the Lovers was close in votes.

I literally explained myself right above this post of yours. I didn't think Kami was a good alternative and I didn't think DD was a good choice at that point in time. If you backread you'd see me asking about other names, but I committed to xi0 who I sussed a bit after Mazi said he'd be up for voting for xi0- he didn't follow through with that so that condemned Juviii from tying the votes/surviving with more locks on xi0.

Nash avoided Juviii/DD/Kami/xi0 altogether by voting James, Holt went for Erin, and then there was @Mazino who cocked it up.

As for why Juviii didn't confirm it immediately, I said earlier that I agree that it was a sticking point but there was too much that lined up for her to be anything but Healthy Townie so for you and Hardy to condemn her like that is shocking townplay, especially from you doubling down. You even acknowledged that it made more sense for her to be town due to the request as there's no gain for mafia to do that (while Hardy believed there was), so it's baffling that you did that.

For Kami to have died, there has to be a role that can kill out there. Be it a townie passive like PGO or an active mafia/tp killer. I won't be so quick to rule out mafia being possible + lovers; for all I know you could be mafia noble after your poorly thought-out action.

 

[Natasha]

DD, Kami, and Juviii all tied on 2 votes atm?

Sam then moved to xi0, Juviii followed to self press and Mazino didn't follow up.
If there was any preserving done it was for DD, nobody else benefited from the movement that happened. And even DD didn't really benefit.
Chances only town was on the block yesterday?

 

[SirSamuel016]

I ruled out noble from what you could be since you said you were fine getting NVD'd which would just make you vanilla unless I'm misunderstanding? Hrmm...

He was fine being NVD'd because he could still vote with Noble

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It's hindsight but I still feel like I done fucked it

I don't get why you splintered off in a different direction (same with you @Holt) when the lines of thought that held weight were Juviii, Kami, DD, and then xi0. The first three could've all been town too; Mazi not voting xi0 after saying he would is a red flag to me- if he votes xi0 then xi0 dies on locks from myself and Juviii (he'd have 2 of 3 votes locked to Juviii's 1 of 3).

 

[Natasha]

He was fine being NVD'd because he could still vote with Noble

Thx I wasn't sure if it stripped noble too.

I won't be so quick to rule out mafia being possible + lovers

Do we have an expected % of evils for these games? I'm used to 30-40% which in this case is exactly 5.

Maf1 Maf2 Maf3Lover TownLover Threesome?

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I don't get why you splintered off in a different direction (same with you @Holt) when the lines of thought that held weight were Juviii, Kami, DD, and then xi0.

I was leaning Kami/James cause of the DD scapegoat rule (it happens almost literally every game).
Wagon then left Kami, jumped on xi0 which I didn't backread cause I thought I still had an hour.
And yeah I regret it. Juvii signaled green I just got too caught up in my own plans.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Do we have an expected % of evils for these games? I'm used to 30-40% which in this case is exactly 5.

Maf1 Maf2 Maf3Lover TownLover Threesome?

See here:

• 11 - 13 = 3 Non-Towns
• 14 - 17 = 4 Non-Towns

Given we started with 14, 4 would be expected.

Lovers would make 2, so you need a 3rd somewhere else. TSC once activated (recruited) becomes the 4th.

Worst case scenario would be that there are no Lovers in this game and Copan gave Kami TSC for shits and giggles to throw town off.

Thx I wasn't sure if it stripped noble too.

Fairly sure the Noble vote wouldn't be impacted

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I was leaning Kami/James cause of the DD scapegoat rule (it happens almost literally every game).
Wagon then left Kami, jumped on xi0 which I didn't backread cause I thought I still had an hour.
And yeah I regret it. Juvii signaled green I just got too caught up in my own plans.

Your plans huh?

 

[Natasha]

Your plans huh?

I'm not begging for protection for no reason. Last time I tried simply bluffing and that didn't work at all

 

[GrySun]

I ruled out noble from what you could be since you said you were fine getting NVD'd which would just make you vanilla unless I'm misunderstanding? Hrmm...

Noble lets me vote despite being NVD-ed

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As for why Juviii didn't confirm it immediately, I said earlier that I agree that it was a sticking point but there was too much that lined up for her to be anything but Healthy Townie so for you and Hardy to condemn her like that is shocking townplay, especially from you doubling down. You even acknowledged that it made more sense for her to be town due to the request as there's no gain for mafia to do that (while Hardy believed there was), so it's baffling that you did that.

I said all that in a post before she refused to claim Healthy when asked, which looked like her saying she wasn't Healthy. Which led me back to the theory that she just wants the NVD for her Lover/mafia team to control where it goes. Easy for you to talk now after her flip.
Was between her and James for me, and she decides to come claim it in the last 30 mins. Not even sure if I'd have believed it if I was there, the way she stalled the claim was too odd.

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I'll take that like back, you ruined it with the rest of the post

 

[Raeko]

Hey guys sorry I missed the first day phase, I had no idea the game had started. Who would have thought you should check the website to see if the game starts after you confirm in?? My bad, sorry

It's night time for me and I'm about to go to bed but I wanted to check in and let you all know that I am in fact alive and participating in this game lol

I still have to read about half the thread so I will give my thoughts in the morning

 

[Natasha]

Worst case scenario would be that there are no Lovers in this game and Copan gave Kami TSC for shits and giggles to throw town off.

Kami was still a Psych so unless he got double-trolled in primary and secondary we probably have lovers.

Or maybe a traitor and it's just a TSC troll?

Urh I'll sleep on it

@Holt whats your take

@Raeko hope you're ok

Chances only town was on the block yesterday?

Btw if this turns out true and we have mafia then they're lurking.

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Hey guys sorry I missed the first day phase, I had no idea the game had started. Who would have thought you should check the website to see if the game starts after you confirm in?? My bad, sorry

It's night time for me and I'm about to go to bed but I wanted to check in and let you all know that I am in fact alive and participating in this game lol

I still have to read about half the thread so I will give my thoughts in the morning

Timing! Nice to have you.

I'm going to sleep too but you have a fresh perspective share your thoughts when you catch up.

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[SirSamuel016]

I said all that in a post before she refused to claim Healthy when asked, which looked like her saying she wasn't Healthy. Which led me back to the theory that she just wants the NVD for her Lover/mafia team to control where it goes. Easy for you to talk now after her flip.
Was between her and James for me, and she decides to come claim it in the last 30 mins. Not even sure if I'd have believed it if I was there, the way she stalled the claim was too odd.

"Easy for you to talk now after the flip"

I've held this same line from the moment I inferred that she was Healthy Townie. All logical reasoning pointed to the fact that despite the quirk of her not being open immediately, she was a Healthy Townie. If Faust passed NVD to her Night 1 then she'd be confirmed and the speculation would be well and truly dead even without her saying it D1. To ignore every single sign that said "Juvs is healthy townie" simply because she didn't say she was right away is just bad townplay. You even said previously that it doesn't make sense for mafia to do what she did which ran counter to Hardy's belief yet you followed him in the vote anyway which is poor form and you're now parroting his line of thought which you disagreed with yesterday. So yeah, its easy for me to talk about it because I've been consistently saying the common sense conclusion was that she was Healthy Townie but ya didn't listen.

If it quacks like a duck and acts like a duck, it's not gonna be a fucken turtle.

 

[GrySun]

"Easy for you to talk now after the flip"

I've held this same line from the moment I inferred that she was Healthy Townie. All logical reasoning pointed to the fact that despite the quirk of her not being open immediately, she was a Healthy Townie. If Faust passed NVD to her Night 1 then she'd be confirmed and the speculation would be well and truly dead even without her saying it D1. To ignore every single sign that said "Juvs is healthy townie" simply because she didn't say she was right away is just bad townplay. You even said previously that it doesn't make sense for mafia to do what she did which ran counter to Hardy's belief yet you followed him in the vote anyway which is poor form and you're now parroting his line of thought which you disagreed with yesterday. So yeah, its easy for me to talk about it because I've been consistently saying the common sense conclusion was that she was Healthy Townie but ya didn't listen.

If it quacks like a duck and acts like a duck, it's not gonna be a fucken turtle.

Your arguing is starting to look in bad faith Sam. I have like 10 posts, surely you could've looked up my Juviii thoughts before making several misleading posts.
I never disagreed with Hardy, its the opposite, I agreed with him about Juviii. I just questioned if there is scum benefit, and considered Healthy. But she acted strange when Healthy was suggested and stopped addressing it - like she noticed it'd be a dead end to claim and appear sick next day, while being shook about how else to explain that she wants it.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Your arguing is starting to look in bad faith Sam. I have like 10 posts, surely you could've looked up my Juviii thoughts before making several misleading posts.
I never disagreed with Hardy, its the opposite, I agreed with him about Juviii. I just questioned if there is scum benefit, and considered Healthy. But she acted strange when Healthy was suggested and stopped addressing it - like she noticed it'd be a dead end to claim and appear sick next day, while being shook about how else to explain that she wants it.

Its bad faith to call out things that look dodgy? Looking at what you previously said:

Juviii asking for the NVD looked like healthy townie at first

You acknowledge that she looked like a Healthy Townie

Kinda with Hardy on this one, but am conflicted as I see flaws in the scum benefit.

You also see flaws in the scum benefitting from having NVD. If you're Town Noble then you should be able to conclude that scum with limited numbers reducing their voting power by taking NVD on only serves to make them weaker. Sure, Mafia Noble is a small possibility but that NVD is still a -1 to their total potential. There is no advantage to be had there.

Getting hung up on her not outright claiming it (maybe her fearing a kill) and siding with Hardy whose own logic didn't check out looks off imo, especially when the reasoning lined up with the signs. If I've unintentionally misrepresented you previously then I'm sorry but you do have to understand that you both have made me doubt you due to this.

I'm not going to spend the whole day doing an Argentinian Tango with you over it but you're off to a shonky start, and that's where I'll rest my points atm.

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Hey guys sorry I missed the first day phase, I had no idea the game had started. Who would have thought you should check the website to see if the game starts after you confirm in?? My bad, sorry

It's night time for me and I'm about to go to bed but I wanted to check in and let you all know that I am in fact alive and participating in this game lol

I still have to read about half the thread so I will give my thoughts in the morning

G'day Raeko, can you please give us a hint when you're around next?

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@Holt you need to hint too

 

[Erinyes]

I dont get why Juvii was lynched, while she was obviously healthy townie...

 

[Faust]

Noble can't be used in the last hour and xi0 votes came in the last few minutes...
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So then, where did that Anon vote came from?

 

[Erinyes]

I might have been cast earlier and only updated later ? no idea

Im still surprised about the threesome, it means that most likely there are lovers. it fits but with the number of players.

Just note guys, i was once bomb defuser and there was no bomb in the game.

 

[Faust]

Just note guys, i was once bomb defuser and there was no bomb in the game.

Is that why Farfalla claimed Bomb Defuser last game. Cause it's a legitimate claim to do so in a Panda Gaem?

 

[xi0]

I don't really get the attempted train on me at the end of the last day phase. I don't really have a valuable role IMO so idk why Mafia would prioritize me in any way. It felt a bit too random to not be someone just following someone else's lead.

 

[Faust]

At what time did Copan updated the votes?

If there are Nobles/Mafia Nobles in the game, there should be a rule that the hosts should update the votes when the day phase hits the last hour.

Finding an update with an anon vote late ain't nice.

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I thought he was a better lynch than Juviii and I didn't want to lynch Kami or DD at that point in time. Juviii already had the 3 votes with Hardy, Gry, and the Anon vote so I put forward xi0 as a possible alternative.

On what grounds btw. Any particular reason why xi0?

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Even if you don't know Stoat memes I said I'm gonna nuke someone soon.

So you casted two votes on Juviii?

 

[SirSamuel016]

At what time did Copan updated the votes?

If there are Nobles/Mafia Nobles in the game, there should be a rule that the hosts should update the votes when the day phase hits the last hour.

Finding an update with an anon vote late ain't nice.

I think I saw updates just before and inside the last hour. Gry mentioned stoating a bit before the one hour mark which is when I assume he also submitted the fatal noble vote on Juviii. If he hadn't done it before the one hour mark then it never would've been up there.

You mean you want a public announcement that votes have been updated?

On what grounds btw. Any particular reason why xi0?

Well as I said, none of those three lynches (Juviii, Kami, or DD) felt right to me in the end. xi0 was a player I was a bit sus of so mainly on gut feel I pushed that point as an alternative to the other three. I make no apologies for pushing him up there either because something had to be done to stop Juviii from getting double teamed by Gry and Hardy @Mazino bailing on the move to lynch xi0 was shocking, she'd have been safe otherwise but he pulled out

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So you casted two votes on Juviii?

He did say he was the noble and it fits the timeline.

I thought I was quite clear in that I'm the Noble with hints and with my last couple posts. Even if you don't know Stoat memes I said I'm gonna nuke someone soon.

I wouldn't of been posting about him and Hardy solely if it was more than just them