Games Mafia Game 138 - Cowboy Lovebop - End Game

[Holt]

Getting locked into 100% paired roles just shows a lack of critical analysis. You do realize that there’s at least 2 scum besides the T.Lover right ? You also see myself and Hardy are clearly at odds atm. Nvm the precedence of TSC being on a double role already potentially pointing to a pattern, you’re doing the lazy tunnel into x and y role aren’t pairs so they must be scum. While I strongly believe Hardy is one, it has nothing to do with pair roles. Writing off everyone else because it fits pairs is just lazy.

I had no intention to reveal this but I also have sickly secondary. N1 I used my hider, and N2 I contemplated passing but held off for the Gry/Gary exchange. I also didn’t hide because I suspected 2 kills will happen and didn’t feel like taking the risk. I intended to prove this next day by simply infecting someone but seeing things proceed in this manner is just disappointing. Well I plan to use it tonight and then you can debate whether it makes sense for me to be sickly+lover secondary. Or you can allow a mislynch on me and do the usual 20/20 hindsight takes. Also for the record, no I will not infect Gary, I’ll pick someone else so it’s visible. Only reason for not picking Gary is that there’s no way to prove anything happened if he is HT since I won’t know if I was blocked. If my sickly doesn’t show up, then it would mean I got blocked, which should also mean Gry would’ve been free to infect Gary.

Also Hardy being willing to get lynched at the expense of taking me out is interesting and makes me pause. It’s imo the only thing he has done so far that reads green. It’s certainly not a lover move, and that’s equivalent to throwing the towel as a mafia. So maybe a mentee ? Idk. Anyway I still feel he needs to be lynched so

 

[Hardy]

In case I miss the end of the day for whatever reason, I'll votelock 2 Holt. There is just no way he's Hider.

Thinking about what to do with my other vote, it'll likely stay on Nash. Gry could be the best mathematically and Gary could very well have been involved in his block, though. Any option outside of that is kinda silly rn.

It's also much easier to guess around who could be the mafia lover rather than finding a pair of lovers imo.

 

[SirSamuel016]

In case I miss the end of the day for whatever reason, I'll votelock 2 Holt. There is just no way he's Hider.

Thinking about what to do with my other vote, it'll likely stay on Nash. Gry could be the best mathematically and Gary could very well have been involved in his block, though. Any option outside of that is kinda silly rn.

It's also much easier to guess around who could be the mafia lover rather than finding a pair of lovers imo.

Damn locking him the second after he revealed more

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Maybe its between Faust, Gry, xi0, and Nash after all

 

[Hardy]

If Holt is a blocker he can't be the mafia lover imo as that would prevent the pair from killing (he'd have to block people) so Town lover makes more sense for him.

@Hardy how ethical would it be for the game to start with either A) a lovers pair with a tsc joined from the get-go or B) lovers pair + two tsc and its a race for whoever can find them first? (or would it be possible for both to join and make a fourgy?)

HM, fair on him not being able to be mafia blocker. Actually didn't think about that one until now. So it would be prostitute and a mafia role.

I think lovers starting with a team of 3 that could grow into 4 sounds super strong. I don't see it.

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I had no intention to reveal this but I also have sickly secondary. N1 I used my hider, and N2 I contemplated passing but held off for the Gry/Gary exchange. I also didn’t hide because I suspected 2 kills will happen and didn’t feel like taking the risk. I intended to prove this next day by simply infecting someone but seeing things proceed in this manner is just disappointing. Well I plan to use it tonight and then you can debate whether it makes sense for me to be sickly+lover secondary. Or you can allow a mislynch on me and do the usual 20/20 hindsight takes. Also for the record, no I will not infect Gary, I’ll pick someone else so it’s visible. Only reason for not picking Gary is that there’s no way to prove anything happened if he is HT since I won’t know if I was blocked. If my sickly doesn’t show up, then it would mean I got blocked, which should also mean Gry would’ve been free to infect Gary.

Also Hardy being willing to get lynched at the expense of taking me out is interesting and makes me pause. It’s imo the only thing he has done so far that reads green. It’s certainly not a lover move, and that’s equivalent to throwing the towel as a mafia. So maybe a mentee ? Idk. Anyway I still feel he needs to be lynched so

I'd lock you a third time if I could lmfao

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Damn locking him the second after he revealed more

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Maybe its between Faust, Gry, xi0, and Nash after all

You bums started posting as I was writing.

 

[SirSamuel016]

You bums started posting as I was writing.

Skill issue that you sent before reading tbh

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HM, fair on him not being able to be mafia blocker. Actually didn't think about that one until now. So it would be prostitute and a mafia role.

I think lovers starting with a team of 3 that could grow into 4 sounds super strong. I don't see it.

Do you think its possible that there were two TSCs? (Town one and a mafia one) and its up to them to try and join the lovers before the other one? Or do I just sound like a bum right now?

 

[Hardy]

Holt you really are saying you had 2 roles at N2 and didn't use either? What's the logic between the gry/Gary exchange that made you stop?

This just sounds like lazy cover-up for using your prosti.

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Do you think its possible that there were two TSCs? (Town one and a mafia one) and its up to them to try and join the lovers before the other one? Or do I just sound like a bum right now?

Hm we'd be missing a kill if that were the case. I checked and in theory it should be possible, though. The mafia threesome wouldn't be able to win on their own and could risk to kill their own teammate, but yeah.

Much more straightforward to think there could be 2 town threesomes.

 

[Holt]

Holt you really are saying you had 2 roles at N2 and didn't use either? What's the logic between the gry/Gary exchange that made you stop?

This just sounds like lazy cover-up for using your prosti.

Yes. I had no plans of using sickly, in the first place it was my contingency plan to prove myself. I didn’t expect Gry block so I didn’t consider infecting Gary myself. I was curious to see what comes of that, plus the NVD could still potentially come in handy if I hold onto it. If you think that’s a lazy cover I couldn’t care less. Frankly the reason I feel so sure you are scum is that you’re being so terrible with your analysis so far that I literally can’t see you doing them in good faith. And I don’t mean that as an insult.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Hm we'd be missing a kill if that were the case. I checked and in theory it should be possible, though. The mafia threesome wouldn't be able to win on their own and could risk to kill their own teammate, but yeah.

Much more straightforward to think there could be 2 town threesomes.

Would Prostitute + MDet + town threesome be enough then for what has happened? MDet could be used to find a TSC which is why a 2 maf 1 town threesome from the get-go was a thought.

 

[Holt]

Votelock1 Hardy as well.

 

[Hardy]

Yes. I had no plans of using sickly, in the first place it was my contingency plan to prove myself. I didn’t expect Gry block so I didn’t consider infecting Gary myself. I was curious to see what comes of that, plus the NVD could still potentially come in handy if I hold onto it. If you think that’s a lazy cover I couldn’t care less. Frankly the reason I feel so sure you are scum is that you’re being so terrible with your analysis so far that I literally can’t see you doing them in good faith. And I don’t mean that as an insult.

Triggered because you got found out I see

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Would Prostitute + MDet + town threesome be enough then for what has happened? MDet could be used to find a TSC which is why a 2 maf 1 town threesome from the get-go was a thought.

Mdet sounds awful for the combo though, I don't see a reason for scum to waste a night investigating. More likely that the role is something like strongman to plan around at night calmly.

 

[Natasha]

and N2 I contemplated passing but held off for the Gry/Gary exchange. I also didn’t hide because I suspected 2 kills will happen and didn’t feel like taking the risk

You could've passed it to anyone else and seen what happens. If you caused confusion for the Gry/xi0 healthy check then that's pro town since it gives us more dials to solve with, and if it gets bad you just come forward as sickly and clear it up.

Expecting 2 kills why?

Idk. Anyway I still feel he needs to be lynched so

Does he now?

Votekill1 Holt

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If Holt is a blocker he can't be the mafia lover imo as that would prevent the pair from killing (he'd have to block people) so Town lover makes more sense for him.

So a lover Holt would be town hmm. His evil lover would be xi0 if it was desperation play. Or if the block was meant to shade both xi0 and Gry then evil lover would be Faust.

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If Holt is a blocker he can't be the mafia lover imo as that would prevent the pair from killing (he'd have to block people) so Town lover makes more sense for him.

So a lover Holt would be town hmm. His evil lover would be xi0 if it was desperation play. Or if the block was meant to shade both xi0 and Gry then evil lover would be Faust.

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3x Gry - DD 1 #655, Holt 2 #661, Gary 2 #668

Desperation angle checks out with vote pile too.
Idk I've spent too long thinking about this and not sleeping. Placing my 2nd vote and should be awake EoD to discuss/lock.

Votekill xi0

 

[Holt]

It does get aggravating typing walls to provide the context and get asked the same question again. Im usually quite curious to see affiliations post games to see if these are plays or just lazy effort but well. Anyway feel free to do as you wish, I’ll be back later in the day and will probably opt for an RS. I distrust Hardy and him picking DD for his claim makes me think Faust might be my other pick. Don’t think I’ll be interested in a Gry or Gary lynch today. Will reevaluate if I’m going Faust or DD or someone else for my second later on

 

[Natasha]

It does get aggravating typing walls to provide the context and get asked the same question again. Im usually quite curious to see affiliations post games to see if these are plays or just lazy effort but well. Anyway feel free to do as you wish, I’ll be back later in the day and will probably opt for an RS. I distrust Hardy and him picking DD for his claim makes me think Faust might be my other pick. Don’t think I’ll be interested in a Gry or Gary lynch today. Will reevaluate if I’m going Faust or DD or someone else for my second later on

You said it yourself, Hardy willing to die for your lynch is throwing as evil in a lover game and your play seems to consist of a lot of no action + unexplained assumptions. Then you say Hardy has to be lynched. I'll re-evaluate you in the morning with sleep and coffee but you're pushing Hardy in bad faith atm.

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[SirSamuel016]

Sorry I was afk for a bit My parcel went missing but I got it after going across the city, then I grabbed lunch on the way back and watched two drugged up middle aged bogan cunts chase each other around one block of a couple of streets while threatening to punch each other for being narks yet not actually throwing a punch all the while some crack lady with a kids scooter kept slamming it on the ground trying to keep order between those two fuckwits. #AverageThursday

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Mdet sounds awful for the combo though, I don't see a reason for scum to waste a night investigating. More likely that the role is something like strongman to plan around at night calmly.

Do you think Nash is legit Det or do you think they could be something else?

I do think @Holt made a valid point that my suggested pairs are only one way to cut the chicken and that for some there could be other pairings with their secondaries.

Faust with RS and NVD + Holt with ??? + Sickly might actually be a possibility but that then makes me wonder how Lovers are supposed to get by because that means that they have a lot less of a say voting-wise even if they manage to get their threesome candidate. Mazi with Troublemaker is actually a perfect trap with voting powers because no one in Town is going to assume that he's a possible Lover or Threesome candidate once he uses it because his role would be confirmed.

Now I'm wondering if Mazi could really be TP...

 

[GrySun]

Hey old heads @GrySun @Hardy has there ever been a game where Lovers started a game with an activated TSC? (So they'd be 3)

No I dont think so

 

[SirSamuel016]

No I dont think so

Any other thoughts on what has been discussed?

 

[xi0]

so you got nothing, what do you think about the raeko lynch, I mean they saved gry here, gry was gone... So if gry is mafia I think we caught a number of mafia here

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Troublemaker lover makes little sense

Boring lynch-the-inactive, not much else to say about it

If xi0 isn't healthy leaving me unblocked is a guaranteed game over

I am 100% healthy townie

Holt xio hardy are all sus

I'm not, I'm only inactive. I have a dogshit role that provides nothing and I haven't been able to play much since the first day due to traveling etc.

Desperation angle checks out with vote pile too.
Idk I've spent too long thinking about this and not sleeping. Placing my 2nd vote and should be awake EoD to discuss/lock.

Votekill xi0

Why are you against Gry lynch?

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I'd suggest killing me if we had killed anyone but Town up until this point, so seems like a waste even though I haven't offered much

 

[SirSamuel016]

Boring lynch-the-inactive, not much else to say about it



I am 100% healthy townie



I'm not, I'm only inactive. I have a dogshit role that provides nothing and I haven't been able to play much since the first day due to traveling etc.



Why are you against Gry lynch?

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I'd suggest killing me if we had killed anyone but Town up until this point, so seems like a waste even though I haven't offered much

Who do you suspect and why?

 

[GrySun]

Got busy mid backread

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I used my hider, and N2 I contemplated passing but held off for the Gry/Gary exchange

Uh.. could you elaborate on what the Gry/Gary exchange has to do with you using or not using your Sickly?

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Yes. I had no plans of using sickly, in the first place it was my contingency plan to prove myself. I didn’t expect Gry block so I didn’t consider infecting Gary myself. I was curious to see what comes of that, plus the NVD could still potentially come in handy if I hold onto it. If you think that’s a lazy cover I couldn’t care less. Frankly the reason I feel so sure you are scum is that you’re being so terrible with your analysis so far that I literally can’t see you doing them in good faith. And I don’t mean that as an insult.

So do I get this right, you were waiting to first need to prove yourself before using it? Why not just show on N1 or 2 that you have the power.

All your circumstances align perfectly with being the Prostitute Lover that blocked me. Sickly looks even worse because it's a great shield to give to Lovers if Psych checks them early game, claim you have Sickly. No matter which of the 2 Lovers gets found that one claims Sickly and can then "prove" it.
Which makes Psych not that good this game so we needed the extra roles to look for the killer lover after all

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Would Prostitute + MDet + town threesome be enough then for what has happened? MDet could be used to find a TSC which is why a 2 maf 1 town threesome from the get-go was a thought.

Why must they find TSC? It's threesome who looks for them, opposite of Traitor.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Did @NashSilver ever explain the logic behind their hint?

Why must they find TSC? It's threesome who looks for them, opposite of Traitor.

Sorry, that came out as a jumbled burrito brainfart. What if MDet is a TSC?