Games Mafia Game 138 - Cowboy Lovebop - End Game

[GrySun]

Faust with RS and NVD + Holt with ??? + Sickly might actually be a possibility but that then makes me wonder how Lovers are supposed to get by because that means that they have a lot less of a say voting-wise even if they manage to get their threesome candidate. Mazi with Troublemaker is actually a perfect trap with voting powers because no one in Town is going to assume that he's a possible Lover or Threesome candidate once he uses it because his role would be confirmed.

Now I'm wondering if Mazi could really be TP...

Wdym by "get by"? The main thing Lovers need is being able to kill at night + to have good cover roles for day. One of them being Sickly I didn't expect til Holt'd glaim but it solidifies their position pretty well.

Mazino can't be TP, unless you are assuming more than just 2 Lovers to find. Blocker can't be the killer so it can only be a town prostitute Lover. Which leaves the killing lover as any killing role. I think 2 lovers + threesome with sickly and maybe your Insane Doctor is plenty enough for a smaller game.

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Sorry, that came out as a jumbled burrito brainfart. What if MDet is a TSC?

Threesome on a non-town role? Is that even a thing?
How do you picture the scum lineup. 2 mafias, one of them lover + threesome, is unwinnable for the non lover mafia. 3 mafias looks like too many scums

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Did xi0 claim Healthy after Faust and DD claimed double roles?

 

[SirSamuel016]

Wdym by "get by"? The main thing Lovers need is being able to kill at night + to have good cover roles for day. One of them being Sickly I didn't expect til Holt'd glaim but it solidifies their position pretty well.

Mazino can't be TP, unless you are assuming more than just 2 Lovers to find. Blocker can't be the killer so it can only be a town prostitute Lover. Which leaves the killing lover as any killing role. I think 2 lovers + threesome with sickly and maybe your Insane Doctor is plenty enough for a smaller game.

One thought has been that lovers might have a voting related rol

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Fat fingered AAAAAAAA

 

[xi0]

Idk, I just know I claimed after Juviii died

 

[SirSamuel016]

Did xi0 claim Healthy after Faust and DD claimed double roles?

Faust in Post #244:

I'm Restless Spirit

DD in Post #255:

I must reveal, I am a restless spirit!

xi0 in post #423:

Yes!

Also explicitly states it finally in post #777

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Wdym by "get by"? The main thing Lovers need is being able to kill at night + to have good cover roles for day. One of them being Sickly I didn't expect til Holt'd glaim but it solidifies their position pretty well.

Mazino can't be TP, unless you are assuming more than just 2 Lovers to find. Blocker can't be the killer so it can only be a town prostitute Lover. Which leaves the killing lover as any killing role. I think 2 lovers + threesome with sickly and maybe your Insane Doctor is plenty enough for a smaller game.

One thought has been that lovers might have a voting related role which is why you as Noble have been sussed. You could be Mafia Noble/Lover for example so you vote during the day to keep up appearances and then you're the one killing at night. Nash believes/claims they're sane det and that you're innocent but there's no guarantee yet. Noble, Sickly etc. (maybe NVD too) are ways that they can sure up their voting so that is what I meant by get by.

Why can't he be a TP candidate? Or is it impossible for TSC to have a TP secondary? I think we both agree that its likely that the Lovers have a Prosti blocker but whether or not Holt has it is the qustion

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Threesome on a non-town role? Is that even a thing?
How do you picture the scum lineup. 2 mafias, one of them lover + threesome, is unwinnable for the non lover mafia. 3 mafias looks like too many scums

I raised it as a possibility because I don't its fundamentally impossible, especially in a situation with no mafia.
Town Lover + Mafia Lover is your starting pair, regardless of roles that is the affiliation. There's a Town TSC that we know of that got terminated N1. What I was wondering was is a Mafia TSC (someone by themselves) also possible? Whoever gets the Lovers right first joins. Maybe its an imposssible scenario and two pairs is more likely than that, but it was just something that crossed my mind.

 

[Mazino]

Good morning. A new list with all updates would be good

Gry - noble; nth else
DD - RS; nth else
Faust - RS; nth else
Xio - HT; nth else
Nash - Det; nth else
Holt - Hider/Sickly
Hardy - Pirate; nth else (edited the nth else)
Sam - Doc; nth else
Me - TM; nth else

So one scum and one lover have to be in here at least.

With two Psychs, arent there too few sec. roles ?

 

[SirSamuel016]

Good morning. A new list with all updates would be good

Gry - noble; nth else
DD - RS; nth else
Faust - RS; nth else
Xio - HT; nth else
Nash - Det; nth else
Holt - Hider/Sickly
Hardy - Pirate; nth else (edited the nth else)
Sam - Doc; nth else
Me - TM; nth else

So one scum and one lover have to be in here at least.

With two Psychs, arent there too few sec. roles ?

I mean technically Gry has NVD

 

[Mazino]

You dont have a sec role?

I mean technically Gry has NVD

Yeah and i consider gry a good player. So a block suggestion plus keeping nvd for the next day after possible three townies are dead would be a percet move. Very risky but perfect for a lover combo

 

[SirSamuel016]

You dont have a sec role?

Nope. You?

Yeah and i consider gry a good player. So a block suggestion plus keeping nvd for the next day after possible three townies are dead would be a percet move. Very risky but perfect for a lover combo

You think Gry had himself blocked, or that he was set up? Who stands to profit the most from a town Gry lynch?

 

[Mazino]

Nope. You?



You think Gry had himself blocked, or that he was set up? Who stands to profit the most from a town Gry lynch?

Sadly nth. Would like to have a sec though. Makes it more spicy.

Nah. I dont rule out the possibility of a very risky master plan where gry just says he was blocked since he didnt want to confirm xio. He knew i will use my role and that today two more lynches would happen. He can still vote once with noble so not completely out. But he keeps nvd to give it someone on day 4 where he can vote two times again and could have the upper hand plus his trustees and his lover. In that case noble/lover with his unknown scum/lover.

 

[SirSamuel016]

What are your thoughts on Faust vs DD?

 

[Mazino]

I think erin was unexpected.

Still 10 player minus 2 and night kill would leave 7 players. And the lovers would have 3 votes with noble. Would have been 5 vs 2. With nvd 4 votes against 3.

In the actual scenario it would be 3 vs 3. If gry just wooos one person. Looks like Hardy would Trust him. He tilt the votes on his side.

If you know what i mean. Far fetched but yeah. I could imagine a play like that

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What are your thoughts on Faust vs DD?

Faust claiming a, imo, shitty role seems innocent
DD same since it makes no sense to claim RS as second person this early.

Also holt doesnt believe in your concept. I think at least the two HT two RS two psychs are legit.
If the det/spy. Doc/bg are like that i dunno.

Faust could be lover too but i at least believe they are town and RS

 

[SirSamuel016]

I think erin was unexpected.

Still 10 player minus 2 and night kill would leave 7 players. And the lovers would have 3 votes with noble. Would have been 5 vs 2. With nvd 4 votes against 3.

In the actual scenario it would be 3 vs 3. If gry just wooos one person. Looks like Hardy would Trust him. He tilt the votes on his side.

If you know what i mean. Far fetched but yeah. I could imagine a play like that

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Faust claiming a, imo, shitty role seems innocent
DD same since it makes no sense to claim RS as second person this early.

Also holt doesnt believe in your concept. I think at least the two HT two RS two psychs are legit.
If the det/spy. Doc/bg are like that i dunno.

Faust could be lover too but i at least believe they are town and RS

Hmm okay, so who are lovers in your opinion? Feel three to suggest three to cover a 2nd threesome candidate

 

[Mazino]

Hmm okay, so who are lovers in your opinion? Feel three to suggest three to cover a 2nd threesome candidate

Totally hanging in the air since my gut feeling fcked me.

I think gry/faust/xio could be lover

I think hardy/holt are scum or nash but i tend to believe her claim more than the other two claims.

For hardy speaks the see you space cowboy. As scum it would be very good play.

For holt speaks the second role claim imo.
Makes sense since we had two psychs. What doesnt make sense imo, is not using one at all

 

[SirSamuel016]

Totally hanging in the air since my gut feeling fcked me.

I think gry/faust/xio could be lover

I think hardy/holt are scum or nash but i tend to believe her claim more than the other two claims.

For hardy speaks the see you space cowboy. As scum it would be very good play.

For holt speaks the second role claim imo.
Makes sense since we had two psychs. What doesnt make sense imo, is not using one at all

Hmmmmmmmm bit odd that you suggested a scum group on top of lovers

 

[Mazino]

Hmmmmmmmm bit odd that you suggested a scum group on top of lovers

Not a group. One scum out of them

 

[GrySun]

this sucks, i barely have time to check the thread

 

[SirSamuel016]

Not a group. One scum out of them

Huh? So what do you think the non-town comp is then?

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this sucks, i barely have time to check the thread

Busy until EOP?

 

[Mazino]

Huh? So what do you think the non-town comp is then?

I think either hardy or holt is scum. Dont know if TP or MF with role. The possibility of Nash being it is there but i think she is det.

Gry being noble/ liver makes sense since its balanced. Scum plus town plus a 3rd vote. Also the chance with kami as 3some. Would be 3 against 11 plus a 4th vote

 

[Holt]

Do you think Nash is legit Det or do you think they could be something else?

Just re-evaluating now, I think she’s unlikely to be a legit det but I hadn’t noticed much from her posts that made me suspicious. The only thing that stood out would be the exchange with Faust about revealing that seemed to point towards something important but that’s only pointing towards some intention to claim det early

 

[Natasha]

Did @NashSilver ever explain the logic behind their hint?

Made a wall of hint explaining earlier, the dog was a noir dog and only one of a few hints. I left a trail so my targets/results wouldn't die with me.

Here

Nash believes/claims they're sane det and that you're innocent but there's no guarantee yet.

I still have a chance to keep looking around and figure out sanity. I'm probably dead tonight if it is Faust and he wants to silence me or if you start tweaking out like the crackheads you saw earlier and dome me while trying to keep me alive.

I got woken up by a scam call so a bit grumpy but good morning. Have more to reply too but getting outta bed first.

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Just re-evaluating now, I think she’s unlikely to be a legit det

Legit as in actually det or sane?