Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 56 Spoilers & Discussion

What are you expecting to see from Eduan in this fight? (Unlimited selectable responses)

  • Lightning techniques.

    Votes: 17 43.6%
  • New Attributes(Ice, etc).

    Votes: 8 20.5%
  • Shinsoo Manipulation Techniques unrelated to Attributes.

    Votes: 6 15.4%
  • Shinwonryu.

    Votes: 19 48.7%
  • Weapons ( but not the main spear).

    Votes: 7 17.9%
  • The main spear.

    Votes: 6 15.4%
  • Everything.

    Votes: 9 23.1%

  • Total voters
    39
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At this point, it cannot be called a spin off anymore. We are already at Ch 56. It's more like Nano Machine and 3 M, connected verse.
It can’t be compare
This is a sin you committed here.
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Imagine giving us Urek infinite Flashbacks and not the story before genesis. This is trash.
 

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It was pretty much clear that her random jewel box uses light as a power source not the despair she gathers, so one of her main abilities will be nerfed if she never gets light again.
But mago was using light before she powered up with urek's. She simply wasn't at full power. My speculation in regards to the jewelry box was:

1.- Only with urek's light she had enough power to use it.

2.- She simply didn't feel like using it until eduan used his marlin spear.
 

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But mago was using light before she powered up with urek's. She simply wasn't at full power. My speculation in regards to the jewelry box was:

1.- Only with urek's light she had enough power to use it.

2.- She simply didn't feel like using it until eduan used his marlin spear.
The problem with this is if the despair could be used as alternative, she would have used it but as soon as the light run out, the barrier crumbled. Like I said before they were tainted with darkness, they were light. I am wondering if other shinies also have such abilities that require light
 

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The problem with this is if the despair could be used as alternative, she would have used it but as soon as the light run out, the barrier crumbled. Like I said before they were tainted with darkness, they were light. I am wondering if other shinies also have such abilities that require light
I am not sure of what you mean. Mago was recovering her strength, aka light, via the despair of the ascetics through their continuous deaths.
 

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Well destroying the vine is one thing, but getting destroyed by the vine is another. How Aubrion or Urek would break free is up to speculation, but they certainly aren't getting turned into Yama by the vine like Eduan absolutely was. Eduan nearly died and had to pull out his final form in panic
It's quite safe to assume that Urek no, because he has the power to completely destroy Mago in the same way he did with Aubryon, but Aubryon has not shown anything that proves he can free himself from those vines.
 

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I am not sure of what you mean. Mago was recovering her strength, aka light, via the despair of the ascetics through their continuous deaths.
Are u sure she receives light through despair? Also going by vibe, she gets darkness through despair seems likely.

Ch 25: The jewel has lost its light. Infact it cannot be called jewel anymore. It seems to change all light to darkness, all hopes to despairs.

Seems darkness to me. IIRC Mago also said jewels cannot produce light on their own in her fight with Edahn hinting they cannot produce light themselves.
 
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Lust Reversal was almost accurate then :XD.
The way you (or SIU) approaches love is quite ... interesting let's say xD

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I mean I did not feel like an Eduan redeem here, just because a shiny "should be wary of him" does not really equalize the field. But hey, an almost 100 % sure to be interrupted Eduan vs. Urek fight approached.
 

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Hiatus for 2 years would’ve been better than this abomination!!! End the torture siu!!!
TOG was falling, the baam plot was very boring, the alternate plots were better ... I hope SIU stops inventing powerup for baam
 

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I think the fight will go like this -

-Edhan vs Urek starts, both fight each other equally in the beginning.
-Urek gets serious and Edhan realizes that urek is much stronger then him when it comes to pure raw stats.
-Urek gloats a bit but then Edhan turns the table on him because of the difference in thier experiences.
-Edhan starts gaining on urek. (also shit talking him)
-Both of them are exchanging a final blow, with Edhan having a upper hand but then Administrator interferes saying edhan was putting a regular's life in danger. He then teleports him back
-They exchange some final dialogue with each other, talking about 10 GF leaders (or maybe even Zahard?)
 

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I think the fight will go like this -

-Edhan vs Urek starts, both fight each other equally in the beginning.
-Urek gets serious and Edhan realizes that urek is much stronger then him when it comes to pure raw stats.
-Urek gloats a bit but then Edhan turns the table on him because of the difference in thier experiences.
-Edhan starts gaining on urek. (also shit talking him)
-Both of them are exchanging a final blow, with Edhan having a upper hand but then Administrator interferes saying edhan was putting a regular's life in danger. He then teleports him back
-They exchange some final dialogue with each other, talking about 10 GF leaders (or maybe even Zahard?)
Hell. Not only they may just "duel", I literally see nothing on the spinoff that suggest Eduan can gain on Urek even for 0.00001 seconds. I would like that, but no.
 

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Eduan will impress Urek with Shinsoo Skills most likely. He might also use his main spear.
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I like the switch. When Urek summoned him a bunch of readers were saying that Eduan was too chill but a FH is a FH. Also really fits with what Enkidu heard from Traumerei.
 

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It's quite safe to assume that Urek no, because he has the power to completely destroy Mago in the same way he did with Aubryon, but Aubryon has not shown anything that proves he can free himself from those vines.
Bruh you underestimate what one can do with speculation :XD
To destroy the vine even with reversal, you really dont need an overkill attack that combines Urek tier light and shinsu.

A simple strategy is to send a strong enough attack at Mago so that she reflects it back. As long as her opponent can withstand the attack and the vine, they would succeed in destroying the vines around them.

But Eduan didnt have the luxury of thinking like this because he was in critical condition and even then may have died from the impact of the reflected attack or before he could even execute such strategy
 
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Hell. Not only they may just "duel", I literally see nothing on the spinoff that suggest Eduan can gain on Urek even for 0.00001 seconds. I would like that, but no.
This is gonna sound stupid but -
I think we shouldn't power scale using feats at this point in the story.
Lots of things are unclear right now which will be made clear after this fight.
 

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This is gonna sound stupid but -
I think we shouldn't power scale using feats at this point in the story.
Lots of things are unclear right now which will be made clear after this fight.
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This fight should definitely be a serious one. Only ways I can see it being interrupted are:

  • A clear loss.
  • Urek's friends scream and he ends up leaving.
  • A call from Zahard(most likely IMO).
 

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Are u sure she receives light through despair? Also going by vibe, she gets darkness through despair seems likely.

Ch 25: The jewel has lost its light. Infact it cannot be called jewel anymore. It seems to change all light to darkness, all hopes to despairs.

Seems darkness to me. IIRC Mago also said jewels cannot produce light on their own in her fight with Edahn hinting they cannot produce light themselves.
I'd say at a minimum the most likely scenario is that mago is recovering light through the despair of ascetics. As far as I can tell there's no indication so far that shining ones are able to wield darkness in any capacity. Mago did say she cannot produce light herself but as far as I can tell the insinuation was this is why she resorts to squeezing it out of people. I'd also say that it's likely that phantaminum took away the shining one's capacity to generate light when he subjugated them.
 

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This is gonna sound stupid but -
I think we shouldn't power scale using feats at this point in the story.
Lots of things are unclear right now which will be made clear after this fight.
I think the fight will go like this -

-Edhan vs Urek starts, both fight each other equally in the beginning.
-Urek gets serious and Edhan realizes that urek is much stronger then him when it comes to pure raw stats.
-Urek gloats a bit but then Edhan turns the table on him because of the difference in thier experiences.
-Edhan starts gaining on urek. (also shit talking him)
-Both of them are exchanging a final blow, with Edhan having a upper hand but then Administrator interferes saying edhan was putting a regular's life in danger. He then teleports him back
-They exchange some final dialogue with each other, talking about 10 GF leaders (or maybe even Zahard?)

I get the point you’re making, but here’s where I stand on it:
People are hyped right now because they want a clear answer to who’s actually stronger on the battlefield. And I agree that Urek’s power is suppressed most of the time in TOG, but even with that, he’s basically untouchable in the narrative. Urek is one of those characters whose strength is so well‑known that even someone who has only read the series once or just heard rumors automatically recognizes him as the strongest guy

That’s why I think SIU has to be careful.
If the story keeps pushing Urek backward for plot reasons, eventually his image will take a hit. His entire role in the series is built on the idea that he’s overwhelmingly dominant. If he’s repeatedly shown being matched, stalled, or pushed around too often, the hype that has defined his character from day one is going to fade, no matter how the fight is contextualized.

So yeah, while I get the idea that feats are unclear right now, and more things will make more sense after the fight, Urek’s reputation is something SIU can’t casually risk. His mythos is too important to the story.
 
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I don't think there is a single person here who believes that Urek is weaker than Eduan. Discussions are mostly about the Shinies's strength in general compared to the FHs..
 

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I'd say at a minimum the most likely scenario is that mago is recovering light through the despair of ascetics. As far as I can tell there's no indication so far that shining ones are able to wield darkness in any capacity. Mago did say she cannot produce light herself but as far as I can tell the insinuation was this is why she resorts to squeezing it out of people. I'd also say that it's likely that phantaminum took away the shining one's capacity to generate light when he subjugated them.
Sorry but I still don't see how Mago can get light through despair. It's one thing if it was hope though. We saw Obrion use darkness power and transformed. My understanding tells me they can use both darkness and light. Darkness through Counter and Light through by stealing UM's but because they were originally Light, they have higher affinity and power of light.
 

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Sorry but I still don't see how Mago can get light through despair. It's one thing if it was hope though. We saw Obrion use darkness power and transformed. My understanding tells me they can use both darkness and light. Darkness through Counter and Light through by stealing UM's but because they were originally Light, they have higher affinity and power of light.
How do you know aubryon's transformation was a darkness power? And why wouldn't mago be able to get light through despair?
 
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