Games Mafia Game 142 - McHelpers - Game End

[Natasha]

Nash's list made me trust Nash less.. And the immediate trust for me to vote James after, with lawl joining in. Hm.

I wanted to vote Holt or AP but you told me they're green so I'm voting James what did I do wrong

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We had a few times newbies think hiding behind mafia = death automatically, like when using pirate on mafia, but surely that's not what you thought. A D1 Hider claim would always exclude you from mafia's pool of kill targets.

And I've historically been a lying sonofabitch so what if mafia called me bluffing and sunk a kill in me thinking I'm det or something?

And no I did not think auto-death.

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

Nash can also be a traitor hmmmmm

 

[AnimePigeon]

I have to hide behind a non-mafia cause hider dies if they hide behind the faction trying to kill them.



I understand the theory but I'm failing to see its application to me/sam which is the context you brought it up in.

Plus in a day decided by so few votes, all it took to launch me into majority tie with kako was you and Holt voting me. At which point Kako naturally self defend voted me.

If you want to use voting theory you and Holt spearheaded an alt lynch which would inherently leave Kako very suspect after I flip town for you to chainlynch.



I theorised that Samurai didn't exist for a while in that talk, so I was very aware of the "might". Also, how is my opinion on if they do or don't exist alignment indicative?

You we're jumping the gun a little in the theorisation, which could suggest you have more information avalivale to you than you are actually sharing.

 

[Stylether]

Am I misreading James? He isn't even in my top 6 sus but 4 peeps have him pegged as next to go, I don't feel like he's playing that differently from last game (aside from missing d1 ofc).

 

[SirSamuel016]

They're all quite different and I don't agree with you two's lists obviously. I kinda dislike that you only got James in red and noone else but I suppose it's a difficult game. And Nash's list made me trust Nash less.. And the immediate trust for me to vote James after, with lawl joining in. Hm.

Yeah thats fairs. I think James is pretty clear cut atm, so I suppose it would've been better to have a 4th tier for SSR dodginess. I would be shocked if James didn't turn red and was having a mare.

I'll give it some more thought after I read through the recent burst of posts

 

[Marmalade]

Its busy Im fucked aahhh

 

[James Rye]

I could be wrong, but I think this might be your biggest post yet?
Very good post, I pick out two reasonings:

Eri - Pretty empty D1 but voting out the inactive makes sense when you got no reads yet. Poked Gry and Lawl a little, poked Sam a lot (understandable), but seems to mostly have limited her reads to "the people who wagoned me yesterday are sus". I do like how she is trying to gain more info from other townies by poking them to give reads, that's always a plus.

Nash - Sigh. Claims hider d1. Consequently became the abuse goblin for the rest of town from that point onwards. Does an early greencheck on me, sam and teubs, which is interesting considering Sam costarred her Eri wagon later on. Interacted a lot with people's hints and the getting of more of them. Early vote on AP is curious considering AP wasn't the only one who had hinted solely being active. Shares sentiment against Kako and Erin and a tiny bit marms early on, so at least it stayed consistent. Said Teub is acting pretty townlike despite having only memeposted until then. Then says she would consider voting James if there's no better vote, then says she is still between Kako and AP and would vote James between Erin and James, then ultimately wagons Erin with Sam. Bit incoherent all in all for d1. Hides behind me (brave) during the night. D2 is mostly on the defense, understandably so, and redchecks mostly people who wailed on the abuse goblin, also understandable. Her reads list is pretty alright, even if I don't agree entirely. If Brandish ever flips evil she is defo evil as well. Beyond that, I do get the impression she is just overwhelmed and misplaying town at this point.

Analysis and formatting all this has taken 2h. Jesus why did I do this.

See, this is why I feel more trust towards Erin than towards Sam/Nash. I am also more often than not harsh on inactive ones and voting for them.

If they really had intended to save Kakoha, they could have used their votes to combine with Erin to get rid of little old inactive me and save the day aka the kamikaze bomb.
Instead both voted 1 minute before day ended on Erin.
Not me, not Marms, not DD, not Pigeon, not Gry, not Teubs, everyone who had 1 vote to push them to 3 votes with two locked in. Instead they chose one of the 5 players (4 if you discount Sam since he cannot vote for himself) who didn't had a vote yet, coming just short one vote to save Kakoha.
Coincidence?
I think not.

You could indeed ask those via DM, but then you got nothing to feign activity with at day - ie. it looks like you wanting to appear active rather than being active. I was checking all your posts at the time of my big summary post and more than half the posts is mechanic talk which leaves me nothing to work with, while the couple posts addressing game stuff just reads fake(harder to explain).
I dont think any of those interactions matter yet, and the couple towns left at endgame will have forgotten these details if they become relevant at that point.

Part of these were talking with Erin though who also talked about the Illusions. Besides, if I hadn't missed day 1 then I would have asked all these questions day 1 and then talk different stuff day 2 once I feel all unclear things were cleared out.

I have to hide behind a non-mafia cause hider dies if they hide behind the faction trying to kill them.

What? Pretty sure you need to be targeted by a kill action to die when hiding behind a Mafia.You don't die just for hiding behind a Mafia. I remember games ages ago where people hid behind Mafia and didn't died for only that action.

The Hider (Townie) targets a player to hide behind at night. If the Hider is targeted by a killing night action while successfully hiding, the kill fails (unless they hide behind their killer, or someone from their killer's faction). If the Hider's target is killed by a night action while successfully hiding, the Hider dies with them as well. However, does not prevent suicidal deaths.

See? Nothing in the role states "Dies immediately if hiding behind a Mafia/Non-townie". If you hide behind the killer/killer's faction while getting killed THEN you die despite hiding.

 

[Natasha]

You we're jumping the gun a little in the theorisation, which could suggest you have more information avalivale to you than you are actually sharing.

I directly quoted public information as I was discussing:

Quack - Sty claiming it pretty clearly from the getgo
Samurai - Looking at everyone's hints I felt like there was little/no space for one
Spirit Bomb - 2 people were claiming passive by that point so I said I expect it to be in

 

[James Rye]

James is in my sus team with erinyes and grysun

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@James Rye REVEAL ROLE

You literally posted twenty one-two liner posts, the most useful ones of them being that you are active and that you used your role.
Take a seat and come back when you put some meat on that burger!
I ain't revealing to such weak sauce!

 

[Marmalade]

Yeah thats fairs. I think James is pretty clear cut atm, so I suppose it would've been better to have a 4th tier for SSR dodginess. I would be shocked if James didn't turn red and was having a mare.

I'll give it some more thought after I read through the recent burst of posts

I cant finish my long post I think and want to vote asap before I cant anymore bc busybusy.
What is exactly the deal with James? Like a short summary? More players are a bit hmm so I wonder whats makes him stand out the most

 

[James Rye]

@NashSilver my bad, I read your post wrong. I read that as if you meant you die hiding just for hiding behind Mafia, but you meant when they target you. Im sorry.

 

[GrySun]

I somehow skipped over your post on page 18, but upon reading it, would indeed want to hear why you're greenchecking AP and Holt as much as you are right now, considering their behavior seems a bit unconductive to town in my perception of things.

For Holt it is that he's very forthcoming with info, claimed his action target without even being asked, had a very specific hint. Granted after his focus on Nash being his main thing D2 he looks worse but I'll still weight the former two things more in his favor.

Pigeon it's largely gut feelings with his posts. I played several games with him where he was town and I was like his only defender. I could be wrong though but he feels more confrontational as town than when he is mafia. Though like with Holt, they have specific focus on a person. But same could he said for you D1, Kakoha was town but you were very much focusing on his every word.

 

[Natasha]

Analysis and formatting all this has taken 2h. Jesus why did I do this.

Love of the game baby welcome to my world

Also abuse goblin gave me a laugh so cheers.

 

[AnimePigeon]

I'm leaning more towards VoteKill Tuebier

Whilst I'm still weary of Nash, they have tried to provide dialogue, thoughts & reasoning today.

With Teubier, I don't see that, I see someone having a opinion Day 1, then remaining entirely unchanged in there mind the following day & the super early vote has me questioning why it needed to be that early.

You could atleast talk over the current day, before using 1 of Tory 2 vote immediately.

They also seem to have shown no willingness to take today into consideration.

 

[SirSamuel016]

I cant finish my long post I think and want to vote asap before I cant anymore bc busybusy.
What is exactly the deal with James? Like a short summary? More players are a bit hmm so I wonder whats makes him stand out the most

James:
- Active claim
- Targeted you N1
- Feels inauthentic, lacks some substance, mech posted in a mechless game for a while
- Just hasn't convinced me that he's town

Obviously there are others that I doubt too, but I think too much lines up for James to not be scum. That's me though; I know others like @Stylether have "AP, Teub, dd" as their top 3 suspects.

As Gry said though, go with what you think, not what you feel.

 

[James Rye]

Yeah, 2h writing a huge wall 90% of players gonna ignore and in future games gonna roast you for not writing a wall paper is part of the game. Went through the same process.^^

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For Holt it is that he's very forthcoming with info, claimed his action target without even being asked, had a very specific hint. Granted after his focus on Nash being his main thing D2 he looks worse but I'll still weight the former two things more in his favor.

Pigeon it's largely gut feelings with his posts. I played several games with him where he was town and I was like his only defender. I could be wrong though but he feels more confrontational as town than when he is mafia. Though like with Holt, they have specific focus on a person. But same could he said for you D1, Kakoha was town but you were very much focusing on his every word.

Literally did the same and it mattered nothing though.

 

[GrySun]

Literally did the same and it mattered nothing though.

Pretty sure your target came much later when it was cool to share it

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James who would you lynch today? If you're done with mechs, and wont share role, your best bet at having town avoid a mislynch on you is presenting a better alternative no?

 

[Teubier]

I'm leaning more towards VoteKill Tuebier

Whilst I'm still weary of Nash, they have tried to provide dialogue, thoughts & reasoning today.

With Teubier, I don't see that, I see someone having a opinion Day 1, then remaining entirely unchanged in there mind the following day & the super early vote has me questioning why it needed to be that early.

You could atleast talk over the current day, before using 1 of Tory 2 vote immediately.

They also seem to have shown no willingness to take today into consideration.

Yeah well I don’t care about being killed at night, on the contrary, that would make me somewhat useful. Better than last game.
But go ahead, votekill someone who, as usual, made a verifiable hint early day 1, has always been town since coming back game 139.
I’m trying to find mafia not only through roles distribution, but also through players’ profiles from a host POV. Which is why I vote for someone like Gry. He has yet to provide anything substantial to make me change my mind.
I deffo play differently than most, because that’s who I am and how my mind works. And I’m not wrong that often. My record shows. But who cares right?

If any townie follows that vote and prevents me from doing my duty at night by effectively dying while protecting, well, screw you (which is what Kakoha should have said yesterday). But the sooner I join the deadpad the better.

 

[James Rye]

@GrySun
Either Nash or Sam for their strange vote on Erin when they had several 1 vote targets to actually meaningfully save Kakoha's life but condemning somebody else to day 1 lynch.

Otherwise, I don't know. I don't feel too strongly about the rest of the players here.

You sus me, which makes me trust you more than when you are cooperative with me. Plus you poke a lot and keep poking which feels more up to Town gry than Mafia Gry throwing shade at 3-4 different people.

DD is like ADHS, running in, posting 1-2 lines, leaving. What am I supposed to read in that except it being annoying?

Erin is not doing her usual list but Sam seems to have picked up that habit instead.

Style feels so green to me I wanna give him candy and praise him for what a good job he does.

Teubs revealed BD. Marm's feels town to me. Holt feels his usual self.

AnimePigeon/Brandish/Lawl - no idea, I feel nothing off about them but at the same time nothing that makes me feel like trusting them.

Gotta eat dinner in peace now, I'll come back before day ends, like 30-15 minutes before it ends.

 

[Stylether]

but also through players’ profiles from a host POV.

Could you walk me through your reasoning, since I'm personally not a huge fan of "trust me" and prefer explanations I can follow.

That aside, this:

But the sooner I join the deadpad the better.

Makes me sad to hear. Not enjoying the game?