Chapter Mokushiroku no Yonkishi Chapter 254 Spoilers & Discussion

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[Mcmka52]

Camelot's stars and moons were always mere illusions. Recall that the kingdom was constructed out of literal chunks of Britannia that were teleported away, which is not enough matter to create even a country the size of Britannia, let alone entire moons and stars. If you can make fake people that behave like real ones then it should be pretty easy to conjure up a fake sky.

Then check the Q&A nakaba confirmed there is a starry skies in camelot. The real reason he stole the lands of camelot was that those lands had borne witness to every memory had he tried to create a replica, the memories would have been incomplete.

 

[Zezu1995]

it was literally stated in the chapter that the lands from britnna was only to keep their dreams alive. and yes camelot has a starry sky a dimension with 3 moons and other dimensions inside of it. but ofc ppl will try to downplay it . also why would chaos creation be fake? its the same creation that made earth and the races

 

[Rey151203]

There aren't going to be 25 of them. If we're at 9 members 254 chapters into the manga then I'm sure you can work out roughly how long it would take for Nakaba to properly introduce and flesh out another 14. A weekly manga with 17 pages per issue is not the right medium for groups that large to begin with, unless you either have hundreds of chapters to dedicate to these characters or you barely give them any attention like what happened to the Sternritter in Bleach. If there are going to be 4 parts in total then we're roughly halfway through the story by now, which means the only available option is the second one.

I didn't say they would be a group, I said Nakaba would bring 25 names, from heroes to villains.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 10:57 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 10:54 AM ---

Ah. This. A rather old theory actually, IIRC first brought up as a possible Merlin transformation to keep tabs on the events in Liones by @Rey151203 . We know now that Merlin had a different preferred appearance so this is most likely not it. There is always the chance of it being some random grandma although with how exact the look is and how it frequents over multiple events that now seems rather unlikely.

I would not be surprised if this was someone related to whatever villain comes up after Lancelot and Cath, perhaps its Morgana or someone else who could be in league with Chaos or something along those lines.

EDIT: What makes the idea of this being a future villain or related to them so interesting is that this character appears even before 4KotA even began so there is already established history even if it could be obscured from the reader and the somewhat baffling fact that this person even appears in the vision Guinevere had which didn't come to pass the way she thought it would.

In the X they are theorizing a lot about that old woman be Morgan le Fay.


She was, in fact, present throughout all the moments of chaos.

Chapter 334: The Beginning of the Awakening of Chaos

Chapter 59: the apparition of chaos in Liones

Chapter 129: The vision of the battle of Chaos' on Liones.

This person seems like a harbinger of chaos; wherever they are, chaos will follow, like an omen.

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Actually, it's the opposite; wherever chaos is, this woman will be there. She seems more like a priestess of chaos than the Lady of the Lake, lol.

If that old woman is really something in the story, she's waiting for something to happen.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 12:39 PM ---

And that leads me to an interesting question that might seem silly, or perhaps it's crucial:

But it needs some context: Merlin ends up imprisoned in a tower by a witch and is never seen by Arthur again, and that witch becomes the new sorceress of Arthur's court.

So I ask the question:

If Merlin doesn't exist in the future, who is the current sorceress of King Arthur?

 

[Covers]

tbh their might not even be "the one mael" that might just be for escanor cuz hes human... mael didnt show any physical changes with his grace

No physical change but magic increase.

His peak should still be at noon.

 

[Demonspeed]

Wait, you guys believe that Mael has the Sun Grace?

 

[Rey151203]

Wait, you guys believe that Mael has the Sun Grace?

There are some crazy people who think Dawn is the grace, Why not believe that Mael has the grace?

 

[Yakkun]

Wait, you guys believe that Mael has the Sun Grace?

Do you think Gawain has it under new naming rights? Because if not her then it should be back with the original owner since Escanor is dead.

 

[tdtd1234]

Can the gaces exist if the Supreme deity is dead?

 

[Yakkun]

Can the gaces exist if the Supreme deity is dead?

Probably. They represent aspects of nature. They probably don't function like the Commandments. They also operate somewhat independently from the Supreme Deity. Sun chose to leave Mael when he became Estarossa and later chose Escanor upon his birth.

 

[Jasmine x che]

I got a feeling the training for the 3koa will be offscreen and we will only find out what they can do during battle

 

[Rey151203]

Can the gaces exist if the Supreme deity is dead?

The graces are not like the commandments; they are similar in that they are blessings from the gods to their elite warriors, but they have different origins.

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I got a feeling the training for the 3koa will be offscreen and we will only find out what they can do during battle

Probably, but that training won't be enough. I believe a ban might nerf Chaos Lancelot.

 

[tdtd1234]

The graces are not like the commandments; they are similar in that they are blessings from the gods to their elite warriors, but they have different origins.

We don't know that, the Demon king was the only one who knew the true nature of the commandments, the Supreme deity could have lied as well.

 

[Demonspeed]

Can the gaces exist if the Supreme deity is dead?

Yes. They aren't like the Commandments.

There are some crazy people who think Dawn is the grace, Why not believe that Mael has the grace?

Do you think Gawain has it under new naming rights? Because if not her then it should be back with the original owner since Escanor is dead.

I genuinely don't remember. I think if Mael had it he would have been more relevant or it would have been stated but maybe you are right. He didn't do anything in CbL.

 

[Yakkun]

Yes. They aren't like the Commandments.





I genuinely don't remember. I think if Mael had it he would have been more relevant or it would have been stated but maybe you are right. He didn't do anything in CbL.

CbL was shit. And Nakaba never treated the goddesses and their realm faily as far as attention and paneltime goes.

 

[Capalot98]

I feel like giving Mael sunshine to fight Chaos Lancelot is like a double edge sword. Realistically he should be way stronger than Escanor was with it since it was actually made for him. So you can let him have him go out in a blaze of glory type moment and show us why he was called the strongest and Meliodas equal at one point.

But then depending on how easily he loses it just builds Chaos Lancelot up even more so him eventually losing to the remaining 4 knights has to be really well written and the new st and training their about to get has to push them to a whole new tier of power for them winning to be believable

 

[Yakkun]

I feel like giving Mael sunshine to fight Chaos Lancelot is like a double edge sword. Realistically he should be way stronger than Escanor was with it since it was actually made for him. So you can let him have him go out in a blaze of glory type moment and show us why he was called the strongest and Meliodas equal at one point.

But then depending on how easily he loses it just builds Chaos Lancelot up even more so him eventually losing to the remaining 4 knights has to be really well written and the new st and training their about to get has to push them to a whole new tier of power for them winning to be believable

The real question no one adresses is - would he even fight? He sat it out against the DK. Against Zeldris he was doing it reluctantly, having no real will for further combat. His entire character arc had one point and that is how the cycle of warefare can end up breaking you by the sins you committed coming back to haunt you.

Worst case scenario is that Mael will never fight again for real. He might try for a fighting retreat but he is not the type to fight for final glory.

 

[Capalot98]

The real question no one adresses is - would he even fight? He sat it out against the DK. Against Zeldris he was doing it reluctantly, having no real will for further combat. His entire character arc had one point and that is how the cycle of warefare can end up breaking you by the sins you committed coming back to haunt you.

Worst case scenario is that Mael will never fight again for real. He might try for a fighting retreat but he is not the type to fight for final glory.

I mean when the sins were planning to go up against Cath he agreed to guard the fairy realm for king and Diane while they were away so that shows he’s willing to fight if necessary and asked.

If you’re asking if I think Mael would go out of his way to help fight Lancelot then no he probably wouldn’t. But if Lancelot goes to the goddess realm or wherever he is and he’s left with no choice but to fight then yes I think he would fight instead of just rolling over and dying

 

[Rey151203]

We don't know that, the Demon king was the only one who knew the true nature of the commandments, the Supreme deity could have lied as well.

The supreme deity never spoke about anything; the only person who spoke about the Graces was Ludoshel. So yes, we know, due to all the events, the death of the supreme deity, and how the Graces weren't even mentioned by her. While the Commandments were extremely necessary for the Demon King, the Graces are blessings created by the supreme deity, while the Commandments are fragments of the Demon King's power that he used to have greater dominion over the Demon Realm. He could know things through the Commandments. The supreme deity observed everything through Elizabeth's eyes, and she doesn't have a Grace.

So yes, we know that.

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CbL was shit. And Nakaba never treated the goddesses and their realm faily as far as attention and paneltime goes.

Yes, but the film is now canon, because the new Japanese chapters include a description of Merlin and say that she helped defeat the supreme deity.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 5:45 PM ---

What would be interesting is a combined god domain of the 4 graces.

 

[mevbi]

When are the next leaks?

 

[kkck]

As far as I can tell the graces and commandments are fundamentally the same thing. Except the demon king split some of his power in ten parts and the supreme deity split some of her power into 4 parts. Combining the 4 graces should result in something similar to combining the 10 commandments, elevating someone to basically supreme deity level. I wouldn't expect this to be a plot point but it'd be interesting as a way to counteract chaos. Mael or elizabeth getting them would make for an interesting plot point. But then, the path set forward so far is on the hopeful side of things a permanent separation of magical creatures from humans and on the less hopeful side of things their extinction and this manga generally isn't interesting on purpose.