Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1194 Spoiler Discussion

[The Prince of Darkness]

Wait so KoH mode wasn't CoC coating but just CoC leaking and this now is the real CoC coating?!

 

[kkck]

Wait so KoH mode wasn't CoC coating but just CoC leaking and this now is the real CoC coating?!

I think his conqueror haki was passively leaking before, which is what luffy and gaban detected. Most likely with KOH attacks before he just concentrated all his power into his blades and he unknowingly and uncontrollably added conqueror haki. It wouldn't be strange at all that doing this on purpose improves how long he can use it and it's power.

 

[shailks]

I thought he was a better match up for Sanji anyways. I lost any interest once he was Zoro's opponent.

because he is a clown and pairs well with Sanji or something else? i do see similarities with him and queen btw.

 

[AmyRose]

Well, judging from fact that Zoro cut Sommers hand and he couldn't regenerate right away I can tell that our thorny jerk is as good as dead. Aaaaand again that terrified but goofy face at the end. Yup, he know his time has come. Then mayby we'll be able to see if it will do something to Imu. Well, we know that it worked before when Loki had to kill Harald but it may be diffrent now that Imu is in the same place as his Knight that just died. And honestly Imu is about to lose at least 2 of his Knights at the same time so effect of their sudden death may be truly bombastic.

 

[Trip_LLL]

Wait so KoH mode wasn't CoC coating but just CoC leaking and this now is the real CoC coating?!

Got to be really careful with saying "real." Right now, both modes are drawn with the same cloud and lightning.
The interpretation that has more oomph behind it is that King of Hell is the accidental/unfocused version, aided by Enma constantly drawing out all of Zoro's haki. (this part is my observation)

I think his conqueror haki was passively leaking before, which is what luffy and gaban detected. Most likely with KOH attacks before he just concentrated all his power into his blades and he unknowingly and uncontrollably added conqueror haki. It wouldn't be strange at all that doing this on purpose improves how long he can use it and it's power.

We've pretty much been in agreement throughout with this one. I gotta be honest. I really want at least one throwaway line about the feeling being like using King of Hell. Come on, Zoro has to give himself his flowers. He's got to be aware of his own strength enough to go like "Oh, I was already doing it."
Because as it stands, if Zoro activated King of Hell during his testing, he would have damaged that heart. Even if it wasn't as much damage as a full intention Conq coating would have done, he still would have damaged it.


Also, I counted 12 pages. Is that the actual number? If so, very short chapter.

 

[Tonix]

Some ppl say things like: So if Zoro could W against an GK, then the GK is weak.

To be fair, the GK do seem kind of weak so far. Sommers and Killingham are getting straight up bullied by Zoro and Sanji. Sanji decapitated Killingham with a kick.

Usopp of all people managed to blow off the top half of Gunko’s body twice now.

Zoro was at least kind of struggling against Lucci like 2 days ago, but he’s just playing around with Sommers.

The GK seem like a joke. All they have going for them is their regeneration. They are basically the new Logia users, but they don’t even have the raw power of actual Logia users.

 

[Trip_LLL]

To be fair, the GK do seem kind of weak so far. Sommers and Killingham are getting straight up bullied by Zoro and Sanji. Sanji decapitated Killingham with a kick.

Usopp of all people managed to blow off the top half of Gunko’s body twice now.

Zoro was at least kind of struggling against Lucci like 2 days ago, but he’s just playing around with Sommers.

The GK seem like a joke. All they have going for them is their regeneration. They are basically the new Logia users, but they don’t even have the raw power of actual Logia users.

He's beta-testing moves against Sommers post-Power Up & legendary sword Gram.
Yeah man, even saying "seems like a joke" is an understatement.
If there's any meta signal that Luffy is going to be fine, it's Zoro's zero urgency.


But I want to point out that I've been saying the GKs are "weak" since the Gorosei, and they were being hard-carried by their regen. The problem is visible in some of the Gorosei too. Because of the regen, they just don't bother dodging at times. This is a problem when the characters can and will dismember them.
Also, for whatever reason, their durability is sub-Paradise levels, so they lose their parts quickly and surely.
The GK we have on our hands now are Glass Cannons, it seems.

For the record, the only two who seem to be battle-tested among the regen havers are the Boar Gorosei and Horse Gorosei.

 

[Ketimatsu]

Useless chapter. Period.

Sommers fooling around like in the previous one, Zorro taking it easy and pretty much AGAIN on the verge to one shot him, ending AGAIN with a funny WTF face.

 

[AmyRose]

Also, I counted 12 pages. Is that the actual number? If so, very short chapter.

Isn't that because incoming chapter is last in current volume? I heard that Oda make every last chapter of a volume shorter to fit in just one more before beggining of new volume. I'm pretty casual about One Piece knowledge so I'm not very oriented but are we about to begin (probably) last volume of Elbaf arc? If so then guess new SBS is coming. Hmm, mayby I should catch up on that during breaks. Always something to kill time with while still staying in One Piece.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Got to be really careful with saying "real." Right now, both modes are drawn with the same cloud and lightning.
The interpretation that has more oomph behind it is that King of Hell is the accidental/unfocused version, aided by Enma constantly drawing out all of Zoro's haki. (this part is my observation)

Well I went and checked Zoro and King fight and you can clearly see that the lightings coming out of the swords aren't drawn the same as here.

 

[baditz]

Useless chapter. Period.

Sommers fooling around like in the previous one, Zorro taking it easy and pretty much AGAIN on the verge to one shot him, ending AGAIN with a funny WTF face.

So you dont want see Zoro strugle to learn CoC n some clash, instead u just want directly see 1 shoot atk? If that want Oda do, bet people only say Oda can only do 1 shoot w/o proper fight.

 

[electricmastro]

Looks like this arc is progressing predictably as Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbe doing some moves here and there while the others run around. Oh well, at least we might have some plot progression with Sanji getting Conqueror’s.

 

[669ako]

Probably not. He will still probably be a noob when it comes to conqueror haki. On top of that Rayleigh was capable of using armor haki to cause internal damage and observation haki to peek into the future. two skills which zoro has yet to evidence.

Atleast zoro are equal to yamato.

Need more experience for zoro to split the sky with mihawk.

 

[kkck]

The unconfirmed translation makes sense with the images we have at least. At this point the humor of zoro not ever noticing he has been using conqueror haki is gone I think. I suppose if the spoiler is correct that using conqueror haki is fundamentally different for everyone? As in, you can demonstrate conqueror haki to someone else but the state of mind or will to use it is very individual.

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Atleast zoro are equal to yamato.

Need more experience for zoro to split the sky with mihawk.

Eh, probably zoro is going to pull ahead here. Yamato was straight up weaker than luffy before and she has way more experience with cladding than luffy did. Zoro is on a fast track to fight admirals, yonko, gorosei and even his king of hell attacks already hit at the yonko level. Zoro is walking out of wano closer to luffy than to yamato IMO.

 

[Pirate Queen]

because he is a clown and pairs well with Sanji or something else? i do see similarities with him and queen btw.

The Love aspect of Sommers power vs Sanji's power of love. Also. Sommers vines vs fire. And Sanji staunch defense of woman which Sommers disregards entirely. I just thought it would have fit better.

 

[Tonix]

Also, for whatever reason, their durability is sub-Paradise levels, so they lose their parts quickly and surely

Their bodies do seem exceptionally fragile.

Like Usopp and Gunko both tanked a point blank mini nuke from Usopp. Usopp got knocked out, Gunko’s whole head got disintegrated. And even random fodder characters aren’t getting decapitated by kicks to the head from Sanji. Gods Knights are presumably supposed to be at least somewhere in the range of Yonko commanders, but they are just getting bodied right now.

This is an embarrassing debut for what are supposed to be some of the top tier fighters in the series.

 

[HakunaMatata]

So you dont want see Zoro strugle to learn CoC n some clash, instead u just want directly see 1 shoot atk? If that want Oda do, bet people only say Oda can only do 1 shoot w/o proper fight.

He's not really struggling though.
First time he's really trying and all it took is to remember what Mihawk said that particularly random one time.

I'm pretty surprised someone like Zoro, of all people, didn't try to master this from the get-go.
He faced stronger opponents than this clown. He had many opportunities. I don't buy the convenient memory loss. Like come on... A dude who wants to be the world's best swordman since he's 8 forgot this crucial piece of information ?

Just wait for his fight against Shiryu. It will be the same thing but with observation Haki + the struggle.

The reason I'm personally getting impatient is that I know exactly what Oda will do since he does the same thing over and over and over.
One arc, one color of M&M. Same chocolate, different shell.
Oda is that teacher who spent his 5 first years preparing his lessons like a maniac, then spent the next 25 years reusing them with just a few tweaks here and there. And I feel like I’ve been held back 25 times.
It was so cool back then, now it's oozing laziness.

And I blame the Sanji and Zoro stans and powerscalers for all the time Oda wastes "developing" them at the expense of the other members of the crew.

I'd rather get some lore instead of predictable fights involving underwhelming characters.

I'm trying to not be too picky as far as character development is concerned.

 

[669ako]

After elbaf the wings gonna reaching low top tier?

Atleast giving admirals a good fight.

 

[Flexi]

Eh, probably zoro is going to pull ahead here. Yamato was straight up weaker than luffy before and she has way more experience with cladding than luffy did. Zoro is on a fast track to fight admirals, yonko, gorosei and even his king of hell attacks already hit at the yonko level. Zoro is walking out of wano closer to luffy than to yamato IMO.

Zoro being Yonko level implies that he’d be stronger than Luffy.
While Luffy was labeled a Yonko, I still se him way below the previous ones.

• Barely defeated a heavily weakened kaido
• Needed to go Gear 5 to defeat Lucy
• Only got a draw against Kizaru, even in gear 5. remember how akainu (the strongest admiral) got low diffed by a weakened WB?
• Even Gaban tells him that he’s overrated.

We haven’t seen any action from zoro that justifies putting his power level above Luffy, who is still not at yonko level.

 

[Ketimatsu]

So you dont want see Zoro strugle to learn CoC n some clash, instead u just want directly see 1 shoot atk? If that want Oda do, bet people only say Oda can only do 1 shoot w/o proper fight.

What's that answer? I would certainly welcome a real fight and Zoro struggling or something. Here the chapter does not change anything compared to the previous one. Oh no wait, Zoro put on his bandana....
There is no change in dynamic compared to the previous chapter whatsoever, nothing. Just the bonus of an asspull Mihawk flashback that makes the all thing worse. At least against Daz Boness, Zoro didn't understand what his master was teaching him. Here I mean... come on, as if he never heard or saw haki