Chapter Fairy Tail: 100YQ Chapter 221 Discussion

Loke

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2016
Messages
837
Reaction score
1,508
Age
30
Country
United States
I still don't like how Laxus was able to regain his soul due to slayer attribute (which he already has) but this chapter does spell it out plainly that the slayer attribute is a buff beyond granting ds capability. People denied this when Erza fought Laxus but it's now it's cemented. The most I can make out of this is that buff was enough to make Laxus powerful enough to resist life-jail.
 

Steven

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2020
Messages
2,241
Reaction score
4,009
Age
35
Country
Germany
Yeah that really sucks.....

But thats a classic shonen thing nowadays


It's always the same shit.

- Only the MC or the MC group are the ones who fight the enemies
- Many enemies are useless or are not at fullpower because of plot.
- Many enemies are not even get a fight or screentime to show something
- Many side characters are useless too and the authors don't show them anymore
- Fights are pretty short especially in the anime because they dont' use extended scenes and filler scenes anymore. What sucks.
- We don't get many name attacks anymore
- Many fights are illogical
- Abilities and attacks are not explain anymore or at least in many cases they don't explain it
- etc, etc


I really miss the old days where shonen battle mangas and their anime versions were much better.
So true

Punches and kicks left and right.But no cool abilitys anymore.
 

Shiki_Dragneel

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2022
Messages
561
Reaction score
1,033
Country
Alvarez Empire
So true

Punches and kicks left and right.But no cool abilitys anymore.
Yes, it's extreme boring most of the time. It's like we read Dragon Ball.

What sucks even more is that FT is one of the few mangas where we got many different abilities and many spells/attacks. But since the 100YQ most characters only show few spells.

Magic battles like Midnight vs Zero is a really rare thing.

It's a shame that many battles are just filled punches, kicks and other boring stuffs instead of real magic abilities/attacks.
 

Darklord#10

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Jan 11, 2022
Messages
3,572
Reaction score
3,256
Age
22
Gender
Male
Country
Nigeria
This is what divorce does to a man
 

Steven

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2020
Messages
2,241
Reaction score
4,009
Age
35
Country
Germany
Yes, it's extreme boring most of the time. It's like we read Dragon Ball.

What sucks even more is that FT is one of the few mangas where we got many different abilities and many spells/attacks. But since the 100YQ most characters only show few spells.

Magic battles like Midnight vs Zero is a really rare thing.

It's a shame that many battles are just filled punches, kicks and other boring stuffs instead of real magic abilities/attacks.
Macbeth vs Zero/Brain is easly top 2 in 100YQ.That fight was a good way of showing to 2 mages fighting and countering each other.A short but very good fight

GS vs Jellal HAD the potential to be a fucking turbo bänger.2 Archmages against each other.But ofc no,Mr. Meteor and Grand Chariot spammer just did that.Would be a good chance to finish the fight with Abyss Break

Look at Motherglare,lot of panels and the only thing she did was summoning here little dragons.Boring,just boring

I think Hiro just dont care about FT anymore,Re:Fantasia was also a nothingburger.
 

strikefreedom

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Feb 22, 2017
Messages
2,420
Reaction score
3,482
Age
34
Country
France
You're out on a plain, yet you didn't hear or see the huge dragon showing up? A bunch of deaf idiots—and you, Happy, you're flying around; didn't *you* see it?

Cobra giving the warning way too late—what a joke.

They wanted to back Lucy up, but nope—Lucy is handling things just fine on her own.

Right now, it's a stalemate with Laxus; the guy wants to stay in human form to fight. I just hope that doesn't become an excuse to avoid showing off his other form, or a justification for a defeat along the lines of "I couldn't use my full power."
 

Shiki_Dragneel

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2022
Messages
561
Reaction score
1,033
Country
Alvarez Empire
Macbeth vs Zero/Brain is easly top 2 in 100YQ.That fight was a good way of showing to 2 mages fighting and countering each other.A short but very good fight
Yep. Sadly it was only 1 or 2 chapters long.


GS vs Jellal HAD the potential to be a fucking turbo bänger.2 Archmages against each other.But ofc no,Mr. Meteor and Grand Chariot spammer just did that.Would be a good chance to finish the fight with Abyss Break
OMG yeah....GS vs Jellal had so much potential it sucks so hard. This was one of my hate moments against Mashima lol.

Grand Chariot is my absolute hate spell, I really really, really, hate this spell so much or rather attack because Mashima used it in every of his mangas. So fucking annoying that attack.

Abyss Break, Sema, Altairis, or a new spell. But no we got instead a stronger version of Grand Chariot. :residentsleeper

Look at Motherglare,lot of panels and the only thing she did was summoning here little dragons.Boring,just boring
Extreme boring.

What sucks even more is the fact that she was the most disappointing female enemy so far. I don't know if she will show up again, but if not then she will be the most boring female enemy so far.

You can either like the other female enemies or not and their battles too but they at least showed us always good stuff, especially the enemies from Erza.


I think Hiro just dont care about FT anymore,Re:Fantasia was also a nothingburger.
I think that too. Especially with his new art style....





Right now, it's a stalemate with Laxus; the guy wants to stay in human form to fight. I just hope that doesn't become an excuse to avoid showing off his other form, or a justification for a defeat along the lines of "I couldn't use my full power."
Exactly this will be the case :biblethump




I still don't like how Laxus was able to regain his soul due to slayer attribute (which he already has) but this chapter does spell it out plainly that the slayer attribute is a buff beyond granting ds capability. People denied this when Erza fought Laxus but it's now it's cemented. The most I can make out of this is that buff was enough to make Laxus powerful enough to resist life-jail.
Wasn't it because of Wraith that he got his soul back?
 
Last edited:

Ratrace

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Nov 18, 2018
Messages
2,042
Reaction score
1,430
Age
36
Country
United States
Wendy's enchantment boosted their magical energy while also giving them the Dragon enchantment. I do wish Hiro would start to focus on one fight at a time. Also, please make the Calamity bloods show some more interesting magic. So far, their magic has been pretty bland.
I also want to know much of a power up did she give them
 

sharkai

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Jul 3, 2016
Messages
2,061
Reaction score
1,112
Age
36
Country
United States
I still don't like how Laxus was able to regain his soul due to slayer attribute (which he already has) but this chapter does spell it out plainly that the slayer attribute is a buff beyond granting ds capability. People denied this when Erza fought Laxus but it's now it's cemented. The most I can make out of this is that buff was enough to make Laxus powerful enough to resist life-jail.
no one denied anything. we just know erza buffed herself (just like laxus did with his mode). no external powers were involved
 

Loke

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2016
Messages
837
Reaction score
1,508
Age
30
Country
United States
Yes, it's extreme boring most of the time. It's like we read Dragon Ball.

What sucks even more is that FT is one of the few mangas where we got many different abilities and many spells/attacks. But since the 100YQ most characters only show few spells.

Magic battles like Midnight vs Zero is a really rare thing.

It's a shame that many battles are just filled punches, kicks and other boring stuffs instead of real magic abilities/attacks.
What is this take? Firstly Hiro could only dream of Toriyama's paneling. Fist fights in DB are far more engaging. Secondly Levia is literally using magic?
 

Shiki_Dragneel

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2022
Messages
561
Reaction score
1,033
Country
Alvarez Empire
What is this take? Firstly Hiro could only dream of Toriyama's paneling. Fist fights in DB are far more engaging. Secondly Levia is literally using magic?
First: It doesn' matter if you like his paneling more or not. The Dragon Ball comparison was because the characters are using more punches and kicks than their magic abilities.
Second: He use his magic? so? It doesn't change the fact that most of the time the characters still used punches and kicks in their battles. This is a magic manga and not a fist manga. So as a reader I expect to see more spells and magic overall in the battles.


Just look what happened in the battle against Erza and Motherglare, this battle was 4 chapters long (so far) and what did we get? Motherglare only used her fists and her tail to attack Erza. She also only used one spell, her egg spell to summon the little dragons. This is ridiculous, lame and boring af. Whats with her diamond magic? or her title as earth mother dragon? Whats the point to use punches instead of magic? I don't get it tbh.

And in the battle against Levia it's the same shit so far. Levia likes to fight and because of that he is using his human form and punches? lol
And we also ignore that they used more their fists than magic spells so far?

From this arc so far, the battle Gray and Juvia vs Anchor is the one with the most shown spells. Then the battle with Earth Build.

Anchor showed us 8-9 spells so far, thats what I want to see. If they use their fists, legs, swords, etc in the battle, it's okay. But not if we see most of the time these things instead of real magic spells.


Also what really sucks is the pure fact that we saw many spells in the past, but now, Mashima doesn't want to use many of the old spells anymore. Just look what Laxus used in the past or Jellal or Erza with her armors. Even in the battle between Erza and Laxus in the 100YQ they showed us not many spells, this was also more a martial arts battle than a battle between mages.

So Mashima doesn't even need to create many new spells, he just must use the ones he already created like Altairis or Sema from Jellal or some of Erza armors like the Nakagami armor, the Robe of Yuen, Ataraxia armor, Morning Star armor, etc, or Laxus thunder balls, Raging Bolt, Heavenward Halberd, etc.

But instead we got always the same things and most of the time punches and kicks.
 

Firnfiction

Registered User
下級員 / Kakyuuin / Jr. Member
Joined
Mar 23, 2021
Messages
61
Reaction score
96
Age
32
Country
Singapore
First: It doesn' matter if you like his paneling more or not. The Dragon Ball comparison was because the characters are using more punches and kicks than their magic abilities.
Second: He use his magic? so? It doesn't change the fact that most of the time the characters still used punches and kicks in their battles. This is a magic manga and not a fist manga. So as a reader I expect to see more spells and magic overall in the battles.


Just look what happened in the battle against Erza and Motherglare, this battle was 4 chapters long (so far) and what did we get? Motherglare only used her fists and her tail to attack Erza. She also only used one spell, her egg spell to summon the little dragons. This is ridiculous, lame and boring af. Whats with her diamond magic? or her title as earth mother dragon? Whats the point to use punches instead of magic? I don't get it tbh.

And in the battle against Levia it's the same shit so far. Levia likes to fight and because of that he is using his human form and punches? lol
And we also ignore that they used more their fists than magic spells so far?

From this arc so far, the battle Gray and Juvia vs Anchor is the one with the most shown spells. Then the battle with Earth Build.

Anchor showed us 8-9 spells so far, thats what I want to see. If they use their fists, legs, swords, etc in the battle, it's okay. But not if we see most of the time these things instead of real magic spells.


Also what really sucks is the pure fact that we saw many spells in the past, but now, Mashima doesn't want to use many of the old spells anymore. Just look what Laxus used in the past or Jellal or Erza with her armors. Even in the battle between Erza and Laxus in the 100YQ they showed us not many spells, this was also more a martial arts battle than a battle between mages.

So Mashima doesn't even need to create many new spells, he just must use the ones he already created like Altairis or Sema from Jellal or some of Erza armors like the Nakagami armor, the Robe of Yuen, Ataraxia armor, Morning Star armor, etc, or Laxus thunder balls, Raging Bolt, Heavenward Halberd, etc.

But instead we got always the same things and most of the time punches and kicks.
Like essentially, I think the selling point of the anime when it started was the Magic Circle. Even that is entirely removed. Where haveball the flashy spells gone?

Everyone's a Bacchus now (worst character I have ever seen in this series, hyped over nothing). What happened to Juvia's Water Lock? Heaven's Wheel Blumenblatt, Satan Soul's "Evil" spells, Cana mixing up cards for different effects, Mest's memory manipulation, Freed's Rune? Even Capricorn's magic isn't actually truly shown within the manga.

If he's run out of ideas for magic, then maybe just don't keep introducing new characters. Develop the ones we already have!
 

Shiki_Dragneel

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2022
Messages
561
Reaction score
1,033
Country
Alvarez Empire
Like essentially, I think the selling point of the anime when it started was the Magic Circle. Even that is entirely removed. Where haveball the flashy spells gone?
Oh yes, that they removed the magic circles in the anime was a very bad decision imo. I really liked them and it filled the anime more with fantasy and magic imo.

Everyone's a Bacchus now (worst character I have ever seen in this series, hyped over nothing). What happened to Juvia's Water Lock? Heaven's Wheel Blumenblatt, Satan Soul's "Evil" spells, Cana mixing up cards for different effects, Mest's memory manipulation, Freed's Rune? Even Capricorn's magic isn't actually truly shown within the manga.
Yeah it's really sad, that Mashima and also many other authors in this genre don't use their characters anymore in a proper way.

Mashima is still better than some other authors especially with FT. Even now we have still few characters or fights where we got some cool spells/attacks. But compared to the old days it's much lesser than before.

As an example Anchor or Luso showed us many spells, Hakune or Yoko also showed us few spells, but overall we didn't see much. As an example the BDSK, Haku, Kirin and Misaki didn't show us many spells, each of them maybe only 1-2 spells. Suzaku was the only one who showed us few more like 4-5 spells overall.

In the 100YQ we have always the same types of battles.

1. A battle where we don't see much magic, like the battle against Motherglare.
2. A battle where the enemy shows his/her powers and that even with some spells like Aldoron, Luso or Yoko or Hakune
3. A battle where one of the heroes shows few spells like Lucy or Gray
4. A battle where both side use spells, tactic and where it feels more like a magic battle like Midnight vs Zero or Gray and Juvia vs Anchor

The 4th one is the most rare one in the 100YQ


In the original manga we got more spells and the side characters were shown much often like Gajeel, Sting, Cana, Fried, Kagura, Sheria, Jura, etc and the fights were also written better (overall).

Like I said compared to some other shonen manga the 100YQ is still better in these points but compared to the original manga not.

What I hate is that Mashima can write good stuff if he wants. We saw it in few battles in the 100YQ. Sure they were not perfect but still good or at least okay fights. But most of the time we don't get good battles and I don't know why.



If he's run out of ideas for magic, then maybe just don't keep introducing new characters. Develop the ones we already have!
I don't think that he has no ideas, it's more the opposite, some new characters showed us many and/or good stuff. He can if he wants. He just doesn't want it most of the time.

But the things with new characters can be said about other shonens imo.

But what is also important so say, it depends on what interest you have as a reader if you want see a good story than other shonens are better than FT. If you want to see battles with explosions and action than other mangas are better too.

If you want to see team battles, side characters, enemies (servants) and sometimes good spells/attacks then FT is the better manga than some other shonen mangas imo.

One of the strongest things about FT is/was the balance between main and side characters as well that we got many team battles and attacks (at least in the past). Thats something that is imo a rare thing in shonen mangas overall. But they have other stuffs where they are better.

Thats why FT is among my favorite mangas. Because we have so many characters, enemies, team battles etc. Something I really hate in other mangas, because we never see much side characters and that what I also dislike about the 100YQ because we have these things much lesser than before.
 
Last edited:

Firnfiction

Registered User
下級員 / Kakyuuin / Jr. Member
Joined
Mar 23, 2021
Messages
61
Reaction score
96
Age
32
Country
Singapore
Oh yes, that they removed the magic circles in the anime was a very bad decision imo. I really liked them and it filled the anime more with fantasy and magic imo.


Yeah it's really sad, that Mashima and also many other authors in this genre don't use their characters anymore in a proper way.

Mashima is still better than some other authors especially with FT. Even now we have still few characters or fights where we got some cool spells/attacks. But compared to the old days it's much lesser than before.

As an example Anchor or Luso showed us many spells, Hakune or Yoko also showed us few spells, but overall we didn't see much. As an example the BDSK, Haku, Kirin and Misaki didn't show us many spells, each of them maybe only 1-2 spells. Suzaku was the only one who showed us few more like 4-5 spells overall.

In the 100YQ we have always the same types of battles.

1. A battle where we don't see much magic, like the battle against Motherglare.
2. A battle where the enemy shows his/her powers and that even with some spells like Aldoron, Luso or Yoko or Hakune
3. A battle where one of the heroes shows few spells like Lucy or Gray
4. A battle where both side use spells, tactic and where it feels more like a magic battle like Midnight vs Zero or Gray and Juvia vs Anchor

The 4th one is the most rare one in the 100YQ


In the original manga we got more spells and the side characters were shown much often like Gajeel, Sting, Cana, Fried, Kagura, Sheria, Jura, etc and the fights were also written better (overall).

Like I said compared to some other shonen manga the 100YQ is still better in these points but compared to the original manga not.

What I hate is that Mashima can write good stuff if he wants. We saw it in few battles in the 100YQ. Sure they were not perfect but still good or at least okay fights. But most of the time we don't get good battles and I don't know why.




I don't think that he has no ideas, it's more the opposite, some new characters showed us many and/or good stuff. He can if he wants. He just doesn't want it most of the time.

But the things with new characters can be said about other shonens imo.

But what is also important so say, it depends on what interest you have as a reader if you want see a good story than other shonens are better than FT. If you want to see battles with explosions and action than other mangas are better too.

If you want to see team battles, side characters, enemies (servants) and sometimes good spells/attacks then FT is the better manga than some other shonen mangas imo.

One of the strongest things about FT is/was the balance between main and side characters as well that we got many team battles and attacks (at least in the past). Thats something that is imo a rare thing in shonen mangas overall. But they have other stuffs where they are better.

Thats why FT is among my favorite mangas. Because we have so many characters, enemies, team battles etc. Something I really hate in other mangas, because we never see much side characters and that what I also dislike about the 100YQ because we have these things much lesser than before.
Nonetheless I'd give credits to White Faris, for her Whiteout magic gave some side characters some screentime hehe. In regards to Juvia's fight, I personally prefered Juvia vs Gate. Juvia Vs Anchor felt like Gray vs Invel 2.0. Just my preference against same element battles. I would have loved to see him develop Juvia's magic as to she can now control liquid forms of elements, like fire = lava, earth = mud, etc, instead of the mermaid skit.

But in general, the part that works really well for me are Lucy's feats.
 

Shiki_Dragneel

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 15, 2022
Messages
561
Reaction score
1,033
Country
Alvarez Empire
Nonetheless I'd give credits to White Faris, for her Whiteout magic gave some side characters some screentime hehe. In regards to Juvia's fight, I personally prefered Juvia vs Gate. Juvia Vs Anchor felt like Gray vs Invel 2.0. Just my preference against same element battles. I would have loved to see him develop Juvia's magic as to she can now control liquid forms of elements, like fire = lava, earth = mud, etc, instead of the mermaid skit.

But in general, the part that works really well for me are Lucy's feats.
I agree, White Faris was nice because so we got the chance to see the others like in the battle against Doom.

Juvia vs Gate was ok. But I hate it that we got a Juvia fight instead a real Meredy fight :emocat

The battle against him is like the battle against Invel indeed. But a better one imo. Because Juvia and Gray are doing something against Anchor. Anchor is using more spells than Invel did and the battle so far is longer.


Oh that would be cool with the liquid forms, I am not a fan of the mermaid form too.

Lucy had good feats indeed. I only wonder if the current forms will be permanent or if they are only temporary.



Pushed the "Fantasyworld" aspect and thematic even more.Loved them so much
This

Also the fact that they had different colors and signs was really great too. :wtf


Why the fuck was that removed :biblethump
 

Steven

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Jul 14, 2020
Messages
2,241
Reaction score
4,009
Age
35
Country
Germany
This

Also the fact that they had different colors and signs was really great too. :wtf


Why the fuck was that removed :biblethump
Not just that was removed.Im also PRETTY sure that the 100YQ Anime did not use even 1 of the awesome soundtracks.OG Anime had awesome soundtrack in every episode.100YQ?I cant remember it even once
 
Top