Games Mafia Game 144 - Pan the Diver - Day 5

[Copy Panda]

D5 VOTES

Voting 5/8

4x Kako - Sam #1377, Arrow #1378, Lumi #1394, Nash #1432 #1448
1x Nash - Kakoha #1447

DAY DURATION

Spoiler: Event Rules

0-50m - [Surface] - Pantis Shrimp respects the power of love! One random mafia and one random townie turn into Lovers!

51-100m - [Shallows] - Pantis Shrimp can't let it rest! All passive roles at [Shallows] height are replaced with Restless Spirit!

101-150m - [Depths] - Pantis Shrimp is overruled! All defused Bombs receive a Sea-Urchin (one-time NVD)! Starting from the following Day Phase: all Bomb Defusers who have successfully dismantled a bomb (at any point during the game, including different depths) become a Noble.

151-200m - [Abyss] - Pantis Shrimp has been parried! A random plain townie's [Abyss] role is replaced with Prostitute! A random mafia's passive [Abyss] role is replaced with Escort!

Beware of the poll closing time.​

 

[Degojaru]

First time seeing a voting with too many lynching options, people who don't voted yet, who are you aiming for? @Mazino @Tatsumaki @Stylether

 

[Tatsumaki]

Wait how did I not notice we had 4 way tie

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 10:47 PM, Original Post Date: Thursday at 10:47 PM ---

+ Shino's 3

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 10:49 PM ---

First time seeing a voting with too many lynching options, people who don't voted yet, who are you aiming for? @Mazino @Tatsumaki @Stylether

Tho these are not my prefered lynch targets, If I have to chose I'd go for 89snails. I do not read him as fumbling townie but more at "bare minimum" mafia

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But I don't want to push a tie and give anyone the freedom to snipe

 

[Natasha]

I'm here, writing wall.

 

[SirSamuel016]

1-> Here is my complete roles:
0-50 Plain Townie
51-100 Bomb Defuser Townie
101-150 Bomb Defuser Townie
151-200 Plain Townie

Wowee another defuser???
What makes this believeable to me is that its defusers hits my bomb on 101-150m. What yours doesn't hit is dego's claim of having a 0-50m bomb.

Imo you're legit and your defuser range solidifies dego as the lying mafia bomb

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 11:10 PM, Original Post Date: Thursday at 11:08 PM ---

I ain't capable. uninvolve me

Cap

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 11:11 PM ---

Sounds convincing
!votekill sam



good night

??????

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 11:13 PM ---

Sam : Vanilla, defuser, bomb, vanilla
Dego: Bomb, vanilla, defuser, vanilla
Arrow: vanilla, defuser, defuser, vanilla


ok Sam seems to be the odd one out. Looks like he's the mafia one here, as both dego and arrow have the defuser in the 3rd depth for his mafia bomb.

I also went back and checked Dego's posts, he doesn't look mafia to me.

Dego is the one that doesn't line up with arrow and I's bomb defuser range yet I'm the odd one out???

Oh lord you are COOKED

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 11:15 PM ---

3x Shino - Sam #637, Gry #638, Natasha #643
2x Snail - Lumi #586, Arrow #678
2x Natasha - Pommie #582, Shino #657
2x Slyth - Erin #654, Vali #686
2x Sam - Dego #470, Snail 699

That spread is crazy

 

[Tatsumaki]

Vali et Erin both voted slyth with the same argument : going for a DD voter. But why Slyth out of the five DD voters ??

 

[Natasha]

Interesting Claim from arrow. I'm happy to leave Shino alone and vote in the bombs/defusers. The risk of me being wrong, while I think is small, is literally game ending if I get lynched D3 for it.

As it stands I socially trust Arrow and Sam more than Dego.
The bomb to defuser lists don't make sense, but I'd suspect that's because one of them is lying.

Spoiler: Claimed Roles

Sam : Vanilla, defuser, bomb, vanilla
Dego: Bomb, vanilla, defuser, vanilla
Arrow: vanilla, defuser, defuser, vanilla

Dego Maf Scenario:
Sam : Vanilla, defuser, bomb, vanilla
Dego: Mafia Role, bomb, defuser, Mafia Role
Arrow: vanilla, defuser, defuser, vanilla

Mafia Bomb would want to use other roles and only reach bomb once they feel in danger. I don't think dego felt in danger D1.

Similar behavior can be seen in Arrow

Arrow Maf Scenario:
Sam : Vanilla, defuser, bomb, vanilla
Dego: Bomb, vanilla, defuser, vanilla
Arrow: defuser, Mafia Role(Bomb?), defuser, Mafia Role

Much less clean scenario. Would need to overlook arrow's social's being stronger than dego's. Every Bomb still gets a defuser, and it would make sense for arrow to stay afloar and look for bombs.

Sam Maf Scenario:
Sam : defuser(?), bomb?mafrole?, bomb, Mafia Role
Dego: Bomb, vanilla, defuser, vanilla
Arrow: vanilla, defuser, defuser, vanilla

Icky, but plausible if Dego and Arrow are meant to pincer sam 100-150. Out of all the options I feel like this is the least fun for anyone. Besides trusting Sam, I don't think this situation would be in the game.

 

[Stylether]

Grossly underestimated the amount of time that had gone by, but here now.

I honestly don't think I'll be able to get all those pages scanned within reason, so I'll just ask, can someone gimme a rundown of where we stand? Preferably someone I trust, like Gry or Natasha.

 

[SirSamuel016]

>Shino illogical bad faith argument against me
>dego only focusing on me
>val being oddly uncooperative
>snehal looking dodgy
Is this the scum team?????

 

[Natasha]

Technically Sam Scenario equates to Arrow Scenario if you take a bit of liberty in assuming there's a 2x mafbomber

 

[Degojaru]

>Shino illogical bad faith argument against me
>dego only focusing on me
>val being oddly uncooperative
>snehal looking dodgy
Is this the scum team?????

You was the first one throwing the bomb defuser theme, don't cry for being suspicious now. I would be happy hiding my bomb role to trick mafia team but it's not possible anymore

 

[Natasha]

But tbh I agree with most of Sam's solves so I'm pretty sure Dego scenario is or is close to the truth.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Interesting Claim from arrow. I'm happy to leave Shino alone and vote in the bombs/defusers. The risk of me being wrong, while I think is small, is literally game ending if I get lynched D3 for it.

As it stands I socially trust Arrow and Sam more than Dego.
The bomb to defuser lists don't make sense, but I'd suspect that's because one of them is lying.

Spoiler: Claimed Roles

Sam : Vanilla, defuser, bomb, vanilla
Dego: Bomb, vanilla, defuser, vanilla
Arrow: vanilla, defuser, defuser, vanilla

Dego Maf Scenario:
Sam : Vanilla, defuser, bomb, vanilla
Dego: Mafia Role, bomb, defuser, Mafia Role
Arrow: vanilla, defuser, defuser, vanilla

Mafia Bomb would want to use other roles and only reach bomb once they feel in danger. I don't think dego felt in danger D1.

Similar behavior can be seen in Arrow

Arrow Maf Scenario:
Sam : Vanilla, defuser, bomb, vanilla
Dego: Bomb, vanilla, defuser, vanilla
Arrow: defuser, Mafia Role(Bomb?), defuser, Mafia Role

Much less clean scenario. Would need to overlook arrow's social's being stronger than dego's. Every Bomb still gets a defuser, and it would make sense for arrow to stay afloar and look for bombs.

Sam Maf Scenario:
Sam : defuser(?), bomb?mafrole?, bomb, Mafia Role
Dego: Bomb, vanilla, defuser, vanilla
Arrow: vanilla, defuser, defuser, vanilla

Icky, but plausible if Dego and Arrow are meant to pincer sam 100-150. Out of all the options I feel like this is the least fun for anyone. Besides trusting Sam, I don't think this situation would be in the game.

Arrow's revelation only solidifies dego as mafia bomb imo. Arrow's bds line up where I'd expect the bombs to be while dego's looks odd and doesn't fit. The fact he kept pushing me v him regardless of the chance of collateral if someone was lying is a major red flag

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You was the first one throwing the bomb defuser theme, don't cry for being suspicious now. I would be happy hiding my bomb role to trick mafia team but it's not possible anymore

Throwing the theme???
You're still mad that I caught you and exposed you as the mafia bomb day 1 and you've been very unconvincing after that. Arrow makes you even more questionable because you line up with neither defuser so imo you've been caught out in a lie, and no amount of pushing from you, or your buddies shino and snehal can change that

 

[Stylether]

@Stylether alluded to A-B-B-A I think?

Ye, with A being active and B being passive, hence why I sent APPA from avatar..

 

[Tatsumaki]

The fact he kept pushing me v him regardless of the chance of collateral if someone was lying is a major red flag

Tho I do agree on your conclusion that Dego might be scumiest given pattern. You still the one who pushed and pushed the subject at end of d1 + beginning d2 then when he went all out on the confrontation you decided it was a non issue lol. or well that's how I read that showdown.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Tatsu saying "I never trust Sam. Never." was amusing to me too because its like she's trying to sew distrust around me so I get mislynched

 

[Tatsumaki]

Guess there's a NatSam vs ShinoDego when looking at interactions and conclusions here.
I'd trust NatSam more

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 11:31 PM, Original Post Date: Thursday at 11:31 PM ---

Tatsu saying "I never trust Sam. Never." was amusing to me too because its like she's trying to sew distrust around me so I get mislynched

no

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Tatsu saying "I never trust Sam. Never." was amusing to me too because its like she's trying to sew distrust around me so I get mislynched

I know this is mafia game but oh my days, jumping to conclusions THIS fast should be illegal. Probably is.

 

[Natasha]

For what it's worth I fully read Sam's socials as town right now and I haven't been wrong on him in a long time.

I'd appreciate not getting sniped too, but unless pomchan is actually here to move off I'm probably staying at risk.

I'm gonna double check Stylether's presence today cause I don't remember much.

Snail is currently our safest lynch.

I vehemently distrust Shino, especially after she defended dego on top, but I've already made my case.

--- Double Post Merged, Thursday at 11:34 PM, Original Post Date: Thursday at 11:32 PM ---

Idk if it's wise to shuffle to Dego cause I feel like someone would get sniped in that unless a show of hands says aye within the next 15 minutes.

Plus, if I'm wrong again then kaboom.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Tho I do agree on your conclusion that Dego might be scumiest given pattern. You still the one who pushed and pushed the subject at end of d1 + beginning d2 then when he went all out on the confrontation you decided it was a non issue lol. or well that's how I read that showdown.

That's some dodgy framing Tatsu
I pegged him as mafia bomb day 1 and he's been struggling to stay afloat. My argument today was that we'vr caught a scum (him) but he's only a safe lynch after I defuse him at 51-100m depth and I wouldn't want to risk collateral for town in the event he had multiple bombs.

To me I'm being sensible and not forcing us into a situation where we risk losing a town by lynching an active bomb while he full on didn't care for that risk and kept pushing me.

His claim doesn't line up with myself and arrow while arrow imo lines up very well so dego has to be red imo

 

[Stylether]

Has anything outside of discussing the bomber/defuser distribution occured that's worth lynching someone over, or are we planning on voting into the bombermen? I see Shino has quite a few votes, close together, something about holding the order advantage?

 

[Natasha]

That's some dodgy framing Tatsu

Tatsu reads green to me.
Defo talk with her but just catching you on that one in case you tunnel.