Games Mafia Game 144 - Pan the Diver - Day 4

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D4 VOTES

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DAY DURATION

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[SirSamuel016]

There's a part of me that wants to try arrow and give the dets one more night to try and confirm their sanity

 

[Natasha]

Ergo Dego hasn't been lying.
I trust you.
Arrow is cashing in his socials right now to lynch into you over Dego while still suspecting both me and Dego.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 1:51 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 1:48 AM ---

There's a part of me that wants to try arrow and give the dets one more night to try and confirm their sanity

I think Arrow is the best lynch here too.
But I will not lead any more lynches.
Even if I'm right, the risk of me being wrong makes me dead for sure after mafia finish killing whoever still trusts me.

I'd rather not give maf a perfect final misslynch on me.

 

[SirSamuel016]

But I will not lead any more lynches.

Yeah I'm not letting you drive us anywhere Natasha

 

[Natasha]

Yeah I'm not letting you drive us anywhere Natasha

 

[SirSamuel016]

Lowkey same frfr

 

[Natasha]

Gn

 

[Degojaru]

1 or nothing.

Pirate or bomb or town v town kills are the exceptions to more people dying than expected.

Vote manipulation is also a threat. Noble, sickly.

But I feel like it shouldn't come down to less than 2 misses to lose.

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 11:48 PM, Original Post Date: Friday at 11:47 PM ---

Okay I need to go check the event mech.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 12:05 AM ---

Is this fully up to date?

I liked Kako's entrance, he's pulling mazino slot up from nothing to slightly trusted.

Between witnessing Dego do nothing with my own eyes and seeing him push to organise the dive I think I trust him more.
Seeing Arrow opportunise on me makes me trust him less.
Both of these things fling them in opposite directions since my distrust in Dego largely came from my trust in Arrow.

80m: Pom, Sam, Arrow, Dego
60m: Tatsu, Vali, Kako

Ideally we end up in 100-150 since that reveals death info.
50-100 is ... not great but livable.

If we get rugpulled by a lot of 80m voters lying and going ascend 40 then we basically do lose this game.

I'm voting 80m.

For now votes are:
80m: Pom, Sam, Arrow, Dego, Nash
60m: Tatsu, Vali, Kako, Lumi

Will read all in a bit

 

[arrowofsky]

Yes with the exception of kill targets.

I would be in a much stronger position killing Pom last night. She's a staple vote against me and she hinted being an info role when she replied directly to me asking about her results.

Both Holt and Gry trusted or at least agreed with me. Both are dead.

Also, both my lynch on DD and shino were solid enough to gain majority. I wasn't the sole decider of those lynches, most people agreed.

I think the case of me being mafia is very weak.

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 11:13 PM, Original Post Date: Friday at 11:08 PM ---

My opening post has a hint to me being info.

I pushed to lynch DD who was not only lying but also claiming to be my dupe.

I was wrong so I spied the #2 suspect, and personal suspect, Shino.

I caved and partially claimed to get Shino to co-operate, she didn't.

I spied Dego to try and solve the 3 way bomb claim.

I am Spy.

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 11:17 PM ---

Yes.

I submitted Stylether at first for my target but changed my mind. I figured my social capital is so low right now that even if I came forward with info on an active claimer it wouldn't be trusted.

Chose to fry a smaller fish and try to resolve the bomb trio. Now I'm trying to discern what scrutiny I'm receiving is validly coming from town and what is a mafia push, if any, on me.

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 11:22 PM ---

5x DD - Nash #90 #182, Lumi #105, Gry #153, Slyth #199, Arrow #224
3x Shino - Holt #307, Sam #230 #332, Mazi #365
2x Nash - Pom #202 Shino #228 #287
2x Sam - Eri #83, Snail #346
1x Holt - DD #20
1x Gry - Dego #42
1x Mazi - Tatsu #86
1x Slyth - Val #125


6x Shino - Sam #637, Gry #638, Natasha #643, Tatsu #731, Dego #753, Slyth #754
2x Snail - Lumi #586, Arrow #678
2x Natasha - Pommie #582, Shino #657
2x Slyth - Erin #654, Vali #686
1x Sam - Dego #470, Snail 699

These were the notes I made during the night.

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 11:26 PM ---

Arrow's current push on me is very unexpected I had him down as pretty green socially.

Pom is still pushing me, as she had all game. Now that I've done the dirty work is it time to get rid of me and Arrow joined along? Or is Pom tunnelled and she's the next one to feel my pain lol.

Am I getting groomed by Sty? Is he opportunising the fact I'm flipping green if lynched by claiming I am so?

--- Double Post Merged, Friday at 11:34 PM ---

Game over?

17 players
13v4

4 town dead

9v4

We miss today and someone dies

7v4

Not even close to game over. In theory we can even miss again at 7v4 if roles/mech are on our side.

Why so on edge?

I game my signal on you and sam as a tag team much before to be honest, especially after N1, so this can't be unexpected. The way you try talkin your way out is a bit manipulative as well, I now learnt another layee to your mafia role.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 2:50 AM ---

I really think that the opposite of this is true.
What better move for mafia to make than to sit back and relax when town eats itself.

As the person who largely lead the last 2 lynches, I can guarantee you mafia sat back and mostly watched.

Like I said, mafia are in their mid-game right now with needing at least 2, average 3 more misses.

In no world is the mafteam me/sam/dego + 1, who do you think we're trusting to carry the torch in endgame by playing like this?

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Fundamentally, as bad as I've been performing, I can only be this bad here as town.
I'm vouching that dego is at the very least passive unless I'm getting blocked.
Sam has played his whole hand since D1 -- and his socials are very, very in line with town Sam.

Your whole worldview falls apart very quick. You can't lynch Dego here since it'll confirm me, can't lynch me since it'll confirm Dego. You go for

I go for Sam not because of those things, from bomb dialogs at least one of Dego - Sam is definitely mafia, and you are a bit on loose and of mafia now so it is much better to eliminate a talkative / stirrer mafia first.

Yeah there is an abundance of det / spy claims as well, but i am not involved yet, while I can be sure on bomb defuser thing as i have the defuser role myself already.

And one laat thing, while we made great deal on low number of posts in D1 even, mafia just sitting back feels very very off

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 2:58 AM ---

It is intriguinf to see that @Natasha Talks like i am taking advantage of her mislynchs and stuff while i never directly took on her except her congruency/strong collaboration with Sam.

She does have lots of manipulation tricks.

And you, @SirSamuel016 , i am serious. It feels clear as day obvious of your role as mafia to me. If not, it means i am really bad at playing this, so i will take a break. I don't think i am wrong though, i was green on shinobi while you "old experienced heads" were urging people to vote her. I believe, if you make it out alive D3 you need to better strategize in maf pad.

 

[SirSamuel016]

@Tatsumaki you've been avoiding talking about yourself. Given people have started to mass claim today I would've thought you would have shared something by now.

when im not plain, i cant exactly be killed so yeah trying to cast shade on me is a great idea

This reads like bulletproof but you could potentially be another bomb

I go for Sam not because of those things, from bomb dialogs at least one of Dego - Sam is definitely mafia, and you are a bit on loose and of mafia now so it is much better to eliminate a talkative / stirrer mafia first.

Yeah there is an abundance of det / spy claims as well, but i am not involved yet, while I can be sure on bomb defuser thing as i have the defuser role myself already.

And one laat thing, while we made great deal on low number of posts in D1 even, mafia just sitting back feels very very off

You are not thinking this through at all.

Firstly, what possible benefit is there to me outing myself as defuser day 1 when I connected the dots on dego?
Secondly, why am I the one you suspect and not dego? Look objectively at the facts:
- my non-vanilla roles are bomb defuser in 2nd slot, bomb in 3rd slot
- you claim that you have bomb defuser in 2nd slot, and in your 3rd slot

Obviously you're hunting a bomb in 51-100 and 101-150 depths, so we have interactivity and parallels in both defusing at one depth and then you being able to defuse me in another. What then fucking bewilders me is how you've seen me be open and expecting a bomb at 51-100m depth yet dego said his bomb is at a different depth and you suspect me???

If we both have 51-100m bomb defuser then that means there has to be at least one bomb at that death, yet that is unaccounted for and dego's bomb is an outlier for both of our interactions. This makes you thinking I'm scum incredibly bewildering because it goes against all conventional logic in the situation.

I'm not saying lynch dego today but I am saying that you're way fucking off

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 3:08 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 3:05 AM ---

And you, @SirSamuel016 , i am serious. It feels clear as day obvious of your role as mafia to me. If not, it means i am really bad at playing this, so i will take a break. I don't think i am wrong though, i was green on shinobi while you "old experienced heads" were urging people to vote her. I believe, if you make it out alive D3 you need to better strategize in maf pad.

You were wrong last game and you're wrong this game. If you don't learn from how you tunnelled last game then how can you expect to do better the next time around.

I advise taking a step back to look at the wider field of play and genuinely consider the multiple variants for these scenarios

 

[arrowofsky]

@Tatsumaki you've been avoiding talking about yourself. Given people have started to mass claim today I would've thought you would have shared something by now.



This reads like bulletproof but you could potentially be another bomb



You are not thinking this through at all.

Firstly, what possible benefit is there to me outing myself as defuser day 1 when I connected the dots on dego?
Secondly, why am I the one you suspect and not dego? Look objectively at the facts:
- my non-vanilla roles are bomb defuser in 2nd slot, bomb in 3rd slot
- you claim that you have bomb defuser in 2nd slot, and in your 3rd slot

Obviously you're hunting a bomb in 51-100 and 101-150 depths, so we have interactivity and parallels in both defusing at one depth and then you being able to defuse me in another. What then fucking bewilders me is how you've seen me be open and expecting a bomb at 51-100m depth yet dego said his bomb is at a different depth and you suspect me???

If we both have 51-100m bomb defuser then that means there has to be at least one bomb at that death, yet that is unaccounted for and dego's bomb is an outlier for both of our interactions. This makes you thinking I'm scum incredibly bewildering because it goes against all conventional logic in the situation.

I'm not saying lynch dego today but I am saying that you're way fucking off

It should be clear by now that i will try defusing you and him in those respective locations.
The "logic" lack is from you. Similar to Nash, you are also being manipulative here. You go out to match Dego and make all your claims on this as bomb should be matched. I waited silently first to see the extent of potential lies.
You are not needed for matching a 51-100 bomb Sam, and you inverse of noone either possibly. That is the major case. I still yet to see a person claiming 0-50 defuser, so it is best to think Dego lying there just to not have lynch on him at surface.
My case with you from bomb is not really "oh he must be maf".
>> your argument on being an inverse as required for Dego is wrong simply. If claims taken face value you are not, if dego lies and he is bomb at 50-100 you are not needed there either. That is main reason i am seeing you less green from the beginning compared to other folks.
>> both dego and you being maf is more reasonable.
>> the power of your tag teamness with Nash is a mafia perk. We here still distrust each other and the only thing a person claims for you as townie is you talk more?! Seriously D1 talks may jeopardize less talkatives but just because you keep posting is not making you green, mate.

I already definitely, decisively talked about all, so it is not a surprise of today. You two try manipulating. Gry did a similar thing in MG 143 as a finally mafia in D4.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 3:22 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 3:17 AM ---

I see your town persona last game first time, you are not like it this time
And explained all variants in bomb cases enough already.
So not-Serious Sam, i am not to be manipulated like that. I have my reasons on whatever i am saying, not just blurting out things from my gut. That is why i have yet to comment on det spy claims.

 

[SirSamuel016]

It should be clear by now that i will try defusing you and him in those respective locations.
The "logic" lack is from you. Similar to Nash, you are also being manipulative here. You go out to match Dego and make all your claims on this as bomb should be matched. I waited silently first to see the extent of potential lies.
You are not needed for matching a 51-100 bomb Sam, and you inverse of noone either possibly. That is the major case. I still yet to see a person claiming 0-50 defuser, so it is best to think Dego lying there just to not have lynch on him at surface.
My case with you from bomb is not really "oh he must be maf".
>> your argument on being an inverse as required for Dego is wrong simply. If claims taken face value you are not, if dego lies and he is bomb at 50-100 you are not needed there either. That is main reason i am seeing you less green from the beginning compared to other folks.
>> both dego and you being maf is more reasonable.
>> the power of your tag teamness with Nash is a mafia perk. We here still distrust each other and the only thing a person claims for you as townie is you talk more?! Seriously D1 talks may jeopardize less talkatives but just because you keep posting is not making you green, mate.

I already definitely, decisively talked about all, so it is not a surprise of today. You two try manipulating. Gry did a similar thing in MG 143 as a finally mafia in D4.

Fucking hell you are a lost cause

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 3:48 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 3:47 AM ---

There's genuinely no point talking to you when you're so obstinate and unable to see the larger picture

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 3:50 AM ---

@Stylether I see you hanging around, what are your thoughts on you vs pom, nash, and then me/dego/arrow?

 

[Lady pompom]

You having targeted a now dead Gry does look a bit convenient, Vali looks green too so its not a very game-changing target either. Why not investigate Nash n2 or one of the bomb/bomb defuser trio?

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 1:30 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 1:29 AM ---

Gry being dead doesn't confirm that you're sane either Pom, without a conflicting result you may as well be claiming naive

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 1:31 AM ---

Styl with two greens can also be naive though, hence the conundrum

Ofc it’s “convenient” but that was my target. After end of D1 I was between Natasha and Gry bc they were both sus in my books, but Gry has a lot more sway with townies which could be troublesome if he was mafia, so O went for him. Then I wanted someone I absolutely saw nothing wrong/sus about and Vali was the only one fitting because he seemed really town to me, no controversy. It turns out they both gave me innocent. I assume sane det, but it could be naive ofc. I’d need to investigate again, the problem is that next time we will be at a different depth which either means I lose det role and become plain or that my sanity could have been changed.

 

[Degojaru]

Between witnessing Dego do nothing with my own eyes and seeing him push to organise the dive I think I trust him more.
Seeing Arrow opportunise on me makes me trust him less.
Both of these things fling them in opposite directions since my distrust in Dego largely came from my trust in Arrow.

My roles this time are kinda useless, the only one that I liked was bomb to trick mafia but it was disarmed by Sam so I feel completely useless now, only can share my thoughts and also I let others organizing things because I still learning and don't wanna make mistakes that can lead to townies dying.

 

[Lady pompom]

Honestly I am also confused about the defuser/bomb stuff, but at the very least I think sam is less likely to be mafia due to his posts. So if theres mafia among arrow/dego/Sam it has to be one of the other two imo.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 4:32 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 4:29 AM ---

Natasha’s posts still rub me wrong, but at the very least she is not pushing for any current lynch.

 

[Degojaru]

Actually diving votes are like this
80m: Pom, Sam, Arrow, Dego, Nash
60m: Tatsu, Vali, Kako, Lumi

I'm thinking that letting Sam, Arrow and me can be a mistake, do you prefer me changing to 60m so we got splitted? And somebody more trusthful will vote 80m

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 4:39 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 4:38 AM ---

We're missing Sty and Snehal votes but we are doubting them so dunno if counting with their help

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 4:40 AM ---

If you all trust more in Sam, I think he can vote 60m and I hold mine in 80m

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 4:42 AM ---

5 votes in 80m and 4 in 60m should be ideal, so lmk what you all think

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 4:49 AM ---

Will try to wake up before day ends, also I let here a placeholder vote on Sty, gn
Votekill Stylether

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 4:53 AM ---

Also @SirSamuel016 feel free to target me with defuser if we end in 2nd depth, I assume Arrow will use his role on you

 

[Stylether]

Alright, early morning, will do all the needed reading and defending in a bit, first there's something that I need to rant about a little:

The lynch on DD was textbook, and if I was put in this exact same position 100 times over, with the exact variables, in future games, I'd vote to have him lynched 100 times over without a doubt.

Let me break it down for you.

I am not against townies lying about their roles or usage thereof, it's a social deception game, it's what you do, right? But if you're the current wagon, and you say "oh shit I'm about to die, guess I'll fullclaim then", you're not just "throwing claims out there" like the rest of us would, you are on the stand providing information that you hope will exonerate you or at least give you sufficient leniency to live another day.

Town shouldn't be lying on the stand. Getting caught lying on the stand is an entirely valid reason to lynch someone, since it has proven that they are willing to say whatever in order to not get lynched. On top of that, say Natasha didn't catch him in the lie cause of the depth mechanic. He dodged the noose, but he clearly caught enough attention that she might still spy on him to see if he's telling the truth. It would make sense, after all, he was a notable wagon. The result would come back as not-passive, and this entire discussion would have happened on d2 instead of d1, with a dead DD and some random smuck dead on d1, probably also town. That's ignoring the fact that the game's first full claim might have impact on which depths townies might collectively agree would be worth going to for town.

Instead, what I believe should have been done, is either truthfully fullclaiming or just not fullclaiming to begin with.

If we go with the first situation, sure you're now a known det at this depth, but have some faith in the Town Protects, give them something to do. If anything, they might thank you for providing such a clear target instead of just letting them guess their abilities into the wind. Heck, straight up ask for a town protect to be on you if you're that scared.

In the second, you try to convince the 3 not-that-sold-on-it-anyway people with maybe some decent analysis and a different target, or maybe a claim of being det "at some depth". Chances are, even just a proper show of defense would have worked since it was d1 and there was, like, very little heat.

Now, needless to say, I have both the capacity for hindsight and the capacity for nuance. I know, considering the result, that DD was busy celebrating his birthday and didn't wanna do a proper defense, so just threw out an almost-correct fullclaim and closed the thread again, not expecting it to bite him that day and that any damage control can be done on future days. I also acknowledge that townies can play in ways different from what I consider to be core townie behavior, meaning that if I had a good second lynch target I could have given him the benefit of the doubt considering it was his birthday and everything.

But it was d1, the strongest other suspicion was "huh Vali voted me for a weird reason" and "Shino is being kinda paranoid", and most people were basing their suspicion reads on whether people were sharing their pattern, which I still find to not be a clear town-read or scum-read sign cause both Gry and myself were hesitant whether giving maf this much info about whether they're about to run into a bomb or not is a good idea.

So yes, I still think the DD lynch was a good lynch. I'd do it again. If you fundamentally disagree with me, debate me after the game is done.


...

Alright, got that off my chest.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 5:39 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 5:20 AM ---

I almost spied Stylether last night since he joined me on both lynches and by now I'm honorary mafia so I thought his tendency to agree with me could be mafia coded.

Would have been nice, but considering how we're being paired, I doubt people would even care if you had seen me visit Snehal.

Also, the one time I reflected on finding you sus d1 and was like "let's throw all these years of trauma to the side and assume she's innocent until proven otherwise instead of the inverse" and you read me as sus for it. It seems the only time we'll ever actually trust each other and cooperate is when we're maf together, smh.

3-4 det claimers in a game is incredibly haram

Last Panda game: "What, how could he make a game of only town protects and little to no info?!"

Current Panda game: "What, how could he make of only Town Info and little to no protects?!"

Surely at this point we accept that Panda doesn't like it when we use "oh we should have only so many of X, so the duplicates must be evil" argument to lynch people, considering how he's been setting up his games, or we wouldn't have made this game apparently all seamines and periscopes.

The rest of page 42 is dego and sam shouting at each other, I need an adult.

Also, for the record, Dive 60

That evens the two out, I believe?

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 5:51 AM ---

Investigatives:
DD - confirmed det/spy/town
Gry - confirmed det/town???
Nash - claims spy; n1 shino, no result n2 dego no result
styl - claims det: n1 nash inno, n2 snehal inno
pom - claims det: n1 gry innocent n2 vali innocent

Why the fuck are there TWO SPIES FOR 0-50M and FOUR DETS THERE TOO

Maybe this is the info depth?

but anyways, please guys coordinate, I will go for the dive 60, let's have a good distribution please, for now only me and iirc dego, will go for the 60
we started with 16 players right ? so we should assume that 4 players exactly will go for 4 for the ascend 40 (kinda cool we will be able to confirm how mafias are there in the game)

Wait, we know there's exactly 4 maf? That's pretty fucked.

We defo can't afford to mislynch here then, cause otherwise we absolutely won't make it to 101-150. If another townie dies, it'll be 12 players, 4 of the maf, 8 of them town. If all those maf vote to Ascend 40 and we somehow get extremely lucky, we have a 3 way tie between +40, -60 and -80 which totals up to -100, so 2nd level. Otherwise, it totals up to either -40 or -20 and maf gets to double kill, meaning we enter tomorrow at 6-4 and it's a soft lylo.

So probably a good idea to lynch someone we're absolutely certain about, which cannot possibly be me cause I'm town.

It helps because my first target was Gry and he was killed N2, so I know I’m sane.

Does it, you could be Naive?

Next page~

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 6:10 AM ---

I feel like style is the most likely to have lied about being town detective

You have been on my case since d1 for a reason I cannot understand, if I owe you money or insulted your lineage feel free to mention it. But you're telling me that despite:

At least style did mention "investigative informations" on D2. Does that make him more trustworthy than Pom....I'm not sure

And my coming out immediately on d1 as active, immediately claiming APPA when asked, softing det so hard it's almost not a soft anymore on d2, actively tried to participate in voting and joined lynches with my chest, and trying my utmost of improving my targeting game from last games where people absolutely ripped me a new one for my protection targets, where I greencheck people who otherwise would have been considered lynches, a move that would make no sense as mafia since I'm actively lowering my pool of available mislynches if that was the case, instead of just safe targets like a dead person or the person who is tunneling the other det claim, and I'm the one that's suspect of the two of us?

If I was maf, I would have just softed a TP claim and fit right in. My last 2 games were protect, I'm already known for shoddy targeting.

But no, in the assumption that there are too many dets, which I don't agree with cause this is clearly periscope depth, I'm the sus one out of two of us?

On that topic...

I submitted Stylether at first for my target but changed my mind. I figured my social capital is so low right now that even if I came forward with info on an active claimer it wouldn't be trusted.

Told ya.

Am I getting groomed by Sty? Is he opportunising the fact I'm flipping green if lynched by claiming I am so?

Your sudden distrust of me is putting me on edge.

Are you worried I'm about to discover I'm Naive or maybe even Insane when we dive to 101-150? Or do you just want me dead so when I flip detective it helps your case?

I'll have to look into your posts when I do my full sus list write-up, but for now I'll continue my belief that maf-Natasha tends to use different plays than the one she has been utilizing so far, especially on d2.

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 6:10 AM ---

I will continue to do my page by page but come on, someone reply so it's not one giant wall of text plz.

 

[SirSamuel016]

devil's advocate here but is it worth not lynching the dets and instead lynching one of their targets that we find sus to verify their sanity so they might have something fruitful for us day 4?

--- Double Post Merged, Yesterday at 6:20 AM, Original Post Date: Yesterday at 6:19 AM ---

I like the way style is playing atm though so pom might be the better lynch if its between those two?

 

[Stylether]

1st day no good reason, i wouldn't have voted him if he was at lynch risk tbh

dd voter

Please see my earlier post on why you're wrong.

not particularly engaged

That one's on me, went to a social gathering and lost track of time, but I tried to make up for it with a conscientious vote near the end.

again ascend vote

Is wanting to ascend a bad thing? Having 2 of the same det results would do wonders in how useful the info is, it would have been weirder if I didn't vote to ascend.

especially your green claim coming so early

Sigh. You telling me I would have been less sus in your eyes if I has posted lynch-influencing information later in the day instead of earlier?

but Stylether didn't help me one bit either in reading him

Once again, if I wronged you somehow, just tell me, I'll apologize. I'll even dogeza.

Like, at this point I have to question whether a townie can so adamantly misrepresent everything I've done in good faith.

Stylether

Vali would still be decently green, I like his recent answers to my questions.

You telling me in a me full green world Vali is still mostly green? Is this weird tunnel he got going for me townie behavior?

 

[SirSamuel016]

Please see my earlier post on why you're wrong.



That one's on me, went to a social gathering and lost track of time, but I tried to make up for it with a conscientious vote near the end.



Is wanting to ascend a bad thing? Having 2 of the same det results would do wonders in how useful the info is, it would have been weirder if I didn't vote to ascend.



Sigh. You telling me I would have been less sus in your eyes if I has posted lynch-influencing information later in the day instead of earlier?



Once again, if I wronged you somehow, just tell me, I'll apologize. I'll even dogeza.

Like, at this point I have to question whether a townie can so adamantly misrepresent everything I've done in good faith.





You telling me in a me full green world Vali is still mostly green? Is this weird tunnel he got going for me townie behavior?

tbh I'm not as convinced as others on him potentially being green

I need to put together a trust totem once I get my thoughts together

 

[Stylether]

There's a part of me that wants to try arrow and give the dets one more night to try and confirm their sanity

Huh?

We're trying to dive to 101-150, that's what we're coordinating over. Neither of the dets are active at that depth.

Are you assuming we'd fail and remain at 0-50?

@Stylether I see you hanging around, what are your thoughts on you vs pom, nash, and then me/dego/arrow?

I've already given some of my thoughts on the first one in the earlier parts, I find the fact people are sussing me over Pom to be wild and possibly indicative.

As for you, dego and arrow? It seems that you're the one that gets pinned down in the convo a lot. It was dego on you first, and now it's arrow on you, as if keeping you arguing your case, weakening your position in town as both a fellow member of it and coordinator, and keeping your bandwidth away from fully solving.

Cause of that, I think you're likely the most towniest of the 3. Natasha's info seemingly corroberates Dego so I'll put him higher than Arrow on the trust totempole, but they're both pretty low.