Chapter Tower of God Spin-Off: Urek Mazino Chapter 70 Spoilers & Discussion

[Shiinhye1]

It's been a pleasure to join you all through the end of the spin-off; I hope we'll see each other again when TOG returns.

 

[maverickframe_19]

I see what Hwaryun is saying: spells are a mysterious power that has existed since the beginning. That's correct. But if it was always there, why didn't anyone use it? I mean, prior to the arrival of GW's.
Arlene and her followers taught spells in the tower, which I am fairly certain of. Outside the tower, spells are not uncommon; it is possible that Arlene brought that knowledge with her. Even though it existed. To use them, people must first be aware of their existence. Understand what I mean? @arrowofsky

 

[arrowofsky]

These are just some little excerpts, we need a separate arc for spells.

Since we talk about admins, some spells that cant even be broken by admins, it presumes that admins can do spellcraft or broke them. Nevertheless, ultimate spells as 13 month series suggest GWs dominance in this, if these were not some workshop things ofc.
Concludingly, through admins and other things prior use should take place, while GWs produced superior spells, probably with out of tower knowledge.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I do wonder if Traumerei could destroy the spell on 13 MS with his Rupture

 

[maverickframe_19]

I do wonder if Traumerei could destroy the spell on 13 MS with his Rupture

Spells are not physical; you cannot cut words or witchcraft or magic.
Shinwonryu, on the other hand, can. Not cut, but obviously defuse the said spell, so to speak.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Spells are not physical; you cannot cut words or witchcraft or magic.
Shinwonryu, on the other hand, can. Not cut, but obviously defuse the said spell, so to speak.

I remember in HT, the guy with red hair he cut the spell with his sword. I maybe wrong though here.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Concludingly, through admins and other things prior use should take place, while GWs produced superior spells, probably with out of tower knowledge.

The tower folks used to worship plant & machine gods; it's just very hard for me to fathom that these gods were actually capable of teaching regular folks about spells.
Native ones are just masters of their elements, and the similar can be said about ancient ones. The only ones who remain are admins. Surely signing a contract to limit shinshoo in an area is not a result of a spell which gets active when one puts pen to paper? So I highly doubt that even they are capable of using spells (they might, who knows), let alone teaching it to someone.

 

[undefined]

Some spells are so powerful even admins can not break it. Arlen hype

Isn’t the 13 Months the only spell that Administrators can’t break?
I don’t recall there being another spell on that level(Macseth is the one who cast the 13 Months spell imo).

 

[Demonspeed]

I see what Hwaryun is saying: spells are a mysterious power that has existed since the beginning. That's correct. But if it was always there, why didn't anyone use it? I mean, prior to the arrival of GW's.
Arlene and her followers taught spells in the tower, which I am fairly certain of. Outside the tower, spells are not uncommon; it is possible that Arlene brought that knowledge with her. Even though it existed. To use them, people must first be aware of their existence. Understand what I mean? @arrowofsky

They were using it though. That's a power native to the Tower and later Zahard banned it in general.

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Isn’t the 13 Months the only spell that Administrators can’t break?
I don’t recall there being another spell on that level(Macseth is the one who cast the 13 Months spell imo).

Correct.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I do doubt that statement from Ryun regarding the 13 MS. How does she even know the limits of guardian?

I had always believed that guardians can't break 13 MS not because they aren't powerful but they probably can't because they were the ones who did the spell. After all, that was the key to 135F.

 

[maverickframe_19]

They were using it though. That's a power native to the Tower and later Zahard banned it in general.

There is still no conclusive evidence for me to suggest that they were using it before GW's arrival. And that leads me to believe that it was Arlene and Gw's who taught the tower.

 

[kkck]

I see what Hwaryun is saying: spells are a mysterious power that has existed since the beginning. That's correct. But if it was always there, why didn't anyone use it? I mean, prior to the arrival of GW's.
Arlene and her followers taught spells in the tower, which I am fairly certain of. Outside the tower, spells are not uncommon; it is possible that Arlene brought that knowledge with her. Even though it existed. To use them, people must first be aware of their existence. Understand what I mean? @arrowofsky

I'd say because it's not like you can just stumble into them. Spells have been given a variety of framings by a variety of people (urek calls them cheating, others call them an exploit of the tower's rules) but we actually do know where they come from. Spells require a sorcerer to cast it but also a higher being to grant it. The only instance of a higher being we have seen so far is the demon Hoaquin made a deal with to be able to devour and burn souls for power. I think a couple people have actually found books and learned spells without the higher being being addressed but that doesn't mean the being doesn't exist. In ToG learning spells isn't like going to Hogwarts, you need a deity/demon like entity on speed dial.

 

[maverickframe_19]

In ToG learning spells isn't like going to Hogwarts, you need a deity/demon like entity on speed dial.

So you're saying Arlene has a contract with a devil, so to speak?

 

[kkck]

So you're saying Arlene has a contract with a devil, so to speak?

Very likely, yeah. Devil, god, minor deity, jk rowling... As long as the rules for spells we were given hold up:

1. The caster must not violate the rules of the spell once they are set.
2. The caster must receive help from a powerful medium or divine being.
3. The rank of a spell is determined by the power of the being or medium who helped with the spell.

Rules in the story can be worked around (say, aguero just kinda took white's spells without ever making contact with the demon) but the story has not done much of anything to say spells do not work anymore as we have been explained. I've also wondered if family heads could count as mediums for towerborn folk since they have some manner of failed divinity to them. Thinking about it, urek probably can just punch spells to pieces because he outranks pretty much every other medium.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Thinking about it, urek probably can just punch spells to pieces because he outranks pretty much every other medium.

Didn't do jackshit against Luslec spells; I'll tell you that for free lol

 

[kkck]

Didn't do jackshit against Luslec spells; I'll tell you that for free lol

Urek did punch through all of luslec's spells though. What he didn't avoid was temporal displacement by one of them iirc.

 

[arrowofsky]

Urek did punch through all of luslec's spells though. What he didn't avoid was temporal displacement by one of them iirc.

There must be something fundamentally different with dark / bright charge from the other hand spells/plants of Luslec in my opinion. In other spells, Urek indeed waited for what to happen, then, just punched them.

 

[seNzor1337]

Arlene channeled the power of the Outside God to cast the spell which placed the soul or essence of it or whatever it is in her baby's corpse.That explains why Bam has such authority over spells, can break them without much effort and is mostly immune to them.

Now, the spell used to preserve its body from rotting was a different one, but I don't believe it really matters much in the context. It does raise the question of whether a sorcerer can use various sources, some even opposed to one another in principle, when casting spells. But I am deviating.

Arlene was a priestess and she worshipped the OG prior to coming into the Tower. Shinsu augmented and synergised with her innate talents, taking the art of Sorcery within the Tower to a new level, similarly to how V took it up a notch with his Inner Revolution. That explains the importance she has and also reconciles the part about spells being a part of the Tower from the start.

Zahard was probably in contact with entities, since he knew and used spells too. We don't really know if he just took it up later or was a natural.I believe he was formerly part of the same caste as Arlene, worshipping and acknowledging the same God(s). But something changed after his Revolution and he drifted away from the OG, towards the other God(or axis?)The Conqueror King I think it was? And that is when Enryu got involved.

Now, we do remember Urek talking about Heaven and angels and maybe even Gods during this spinoff. I only wish things were a little bit clearer because, all things considered, the line between this so-called Pantheon of Gods, the source behind spells and sorcery, on the one side, and Axises such as Urek and Phantaminum, on the other, is getting blurry.Not to mention Light And Darkness.

Another well brought point is Macseth. Is it confirmed that he is the one behind the forgery of the 13 Months? His source trumps Administrators apparently when it comes to sorcery if so. What was his source again? The God of Artificial Creation? I guess the Workshop is one of its cults. It exists on the outside too.

Perhaps spells play an integral part in the Tower, since they invite foreign influences that could be beneficial to it. Helps aquaint the new-born Axis with his future allies and enemies, in axishood.

 

[kkck]

There must be something fundamentally different with dark / bright charge from the other hand spells/plants of Luslec in my opinion. In other spells, Urek indeed waited for what to happen, then, just punched them.

I think it's just that the plant spells had a physical form urek could simply punch whereas the time distortion one was more of an effect.

 

[Strange]

Ok for instance, how do explain hoaqin siblings becoming White with shinsoo, like consuming people and using their essence in attacks etc? So let's just talk about the obvious case.

Doing well thanks men.

As for hoaqin , you miss one point and that point is shinsoo .
Hoaqin is shinsoo so are all his siblings . they all are shinsoo not even real beings , Tower makes beings (i.e shinsoo beings) "Then those beings fathered/gave birth to beings " yet they all are still shinsoo . You may take as an example Rue that was shinsoo i.e tower creation yet still had flesh and blood . Shinsoo takes many forms and that's the whole point you missed . First there was shinsoo and shinsoo either gave birth to beings forms Like Light did in the begining when it/he/she created Entire universe time/movement space and beings , tower does the same but in a smaller scale and in a limited way cuz its not so powerful but it mimics Light That existed before everything .


You can take as an example Leo Neo Rue . Neo and Rue literally vanished and became shinsoo cuz they all were shinsoo , if Rou fathered a child his children would be shinsoo too . Rue was created by the tower . all shinsoo beings are shinsoo limited cuz they are all shinsoo that's why they cannot even live outside of shinsoo or where is no shinsoo (When red thryssa had taken shinsoo on FOD) Even yuri was choking cuz yuri is a fake being like all shinsoo beings .

I do doubt that statement from Ryun regarding the 13 MS. How does she even know the limits of guardian?

I had always believed that guardians can't break 13 MS not because they aren't powerful but they probably can't because they were the ones who did the spell. After all, that was the key to 135F.

Ryuin is braindead girl who thinks she knows things that others don't LOL

hwrauin must have been every Guardian trying to break that spell Front of her and after they couldn't they have said "Oh i cannot LOL" then she recorded that "She is a godly being according to some PPL here she knows everything LOL"

Its the same thing when ppl think that urek is stuck yet its completely otherwise what we have thought in the past . Wharyuin thinks that she knows like Zahard thought that he must have killed Khell hellam using his needle and also the same way when khell hellam who thought (if i remember correctly) he could kill zahard so both thought things yet LOL


Arlene fodder couldn't even break spell that was binding her to immortality contract (That is also a spell casted by guardians )


Devil (Maybe beings like Ark Like beings Even if that was a test still that Ark exists as a being)

Arlene channeled the power of the Outside God to cast the spell which placed the soul or essence of it or whatever it is in her baby's corpse.That explains why Bam has such authority over spells, can break them without much effort and is mostly immune to them.

I doubt that arlene could dare to ask So called outside god such thing , but pantheon of gods it maybe a very possible cuz on the Hedons floor i have seen murals that reminds me of a Zeus like figure LOL

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You can take as an example Leo Neo Rue . Neo and Rue literally vanished and became shinsoo cuz they all were shinsoo , if Rou fathered a child his children would be shinsoo too . Rue was created by the tower . all shinsoo beings are shinsoo limited cuz they are all shinsoo that's why they cannot even live outside of shinsoo or where is no shinsoo (When red thryssa had taken shinsoo on FOD) Even yuri was choking cuz yuri is a fake being like all shinsoo beings .

And also Every Gw Calls them bugs not cuz they are such but because they aren't even real a fake beings (exception can be irregulars children and that's even maybe with big IF ) LOL
even urek calls them dust yet not cuz they are such but urek seems their entire being , and gustang even told him on fod that he loves to play with his friends LOL

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I doubt that arlene could dare to ask So called outside god such thing , but pantheon of gods it maybe a very possible cuz on the Hedons floor i have seen murals that reminds me of a Zeus like figure LOL

In the anime of course, cuz in the manhhua we barely see those pictures and they are unrecognizable

 

[arrowofsky]

Doing well thanks men.

As for hoaqin , you miss one point and that point is shinsoo .
Hoaqin is shinsoo so are all his siblings . they all are shinsoo not even real beings , Tower makes beings (i.e shinsoo beings) "Then those beings fathered/gave birth to beings " yet they all are still shinsoo . You may take as an example Rue that was shinsoo i.e tower creation yet still had flesh and blood . Shinsoo takes many forms and that's the whole point you missed . First there was shinsoo and shinsoo either gave birth to beings forms Like Light did in the begining when it/he/she created Entire universe time/movement space and beings , tower does the same but in a smaller scale and in a limited way cuz its not so powerful but it mimics Light That existed before everything .


You can take as an example Leo Neo Rue . Neo and Rue literally vanished and became shinsoo cuz they all were shinsoo , if Rou fathered a child his children would be shinsoo too . Rue was created by the tower . all shinsoo beings are shinsoo limited cuz they are all shinsoo that's why they cannot even live outside of shinsoo or where is no shinsoo (When red thryssa had taken shinsoo on FOD) Even yuri was choking cuz yuri is a fake being like all shinsoo beings .

But those are direct descendants from Arie Hon. Your point only holds if and only if entering ToG means leaving your body behind and be a hologramic / shinsooic thing, as if Digimon, but if someone can get out, that is ruled out as you may guess.