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[Shadowlord123]

Yes all PB floating carrier is equipped with SD but not every one can fire Sbhs. Only the one which is commanded by Michel is able to do so.

Except even the miniature version Yura sneaked in was able to fire Shinwonryu. If the toy version can, there's no way the bigger, more sophisticated ones cannot.

Ur only using a armor but forgot that he also uses spear. Viole's DTG made Dumas feel threatened, that was when he was without armor or spear. That Dumas will die by Jinsung DTG. And Jinsung the one in S2 is stronger. We saw Dumas overpowered Jinsung only with Rosario before he shattered his spears.

The result doesn't change even if you take away the spear. The weakest version of armored Dumas was already able to physically contend with Jinsung. The strongest version of Dumas in demon form will tear Jinsung apart with no real difficulty.

Ur saying this even after seeing the fight? Why do u think Traumerei only spammed Rupture after Rupture. Why do u think Gussy only spammed library after library (Seraphim of light, Prometheus, Unos, 400 days flood)? Because only that could make a difference.

Disconnection was more effective in combination with the regenerating Shinheuh as a decoy. If it hadn't been for Valhalla, nerfed Traumerei would have been pretty cooked against Okbi Gustang too.

As for Gustang, Okbi was relevant. It was helpful until the very end, even after he pulled out Blossom's flames. The pen would have been absurdly relevant too, seeing what Tiara's walmart version could do, but SIU chose to only make him use it for the memes.

A skill not being treated as a main weapon =/ a useless skill.

I have said everything in defense of the items. U can believe in your opinion. Lastly I will just say it's not a coincidence that each HL has gotten an item from Gussy just like each BLs has gotten shinhueh from Traumerei. Like I said remove the items, they scale way lower.

Not all Librarians were given special and unique items from Gustang. Mikel did not, and neither did Proust as far as we know.

But yes, if you remove things from a character's arsenal, they naturally grow weaker. It's not rocket science. The LPB BHs would also not be as strong as they are if you took away the Shinheuh that Traumerei gave them.

In regards to Proust, the attack he stopped from Robadon is the one whose force had already destroyed Gir arm. And Robadon is a close fighter. We saw Yama destroy the barrier who scale lower than Robadon.

As for Adori one shot, I for one always believe that if Proust had an item he wouldn't have been one shotted. I doubt we will ever see what item he got. It's similar to Robadon vs tiara would go. Tiara will likely put up a fight if she has a pen before losing but without pen will get one shot like Hugo.

Robadon still considered Proust someone difficult to pass overall. So either the barrier that Yama destroyed wasn't the full extent of Proust's power, or Yama simply scales higher than we give him credit for. I consider both genuine possibilities tbh.

 

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Except even the miniature version Yura sneaked in was able to fire Shinwonryu. If the toy version can, there's no way the bigger, more sophisticated ones cannot.

Yes but don't forget that's one time use.

The result doesn't change even if you take away the spear. The weakest version of armored Dumas was already able to physically contend with Jinsung. The strongest version of Dumas in demon form will tear Jinsung apart with no real difficulty.

The result will change. I am not talking about the purple armor Dumas but the one who destroyed RKB. That Dumas said DTG made him feel threatened. I for one don't think DTG will do anything in the purple form. But that Dumas without armor and spear is Jinsung level. Even Kallavan would beat it.

Not all Librarians were given special and unique items from Gustang. Mikel did not, and neither did Proust as far as we know.

I have emphasized Proust didn't get that's why people don't hype him that much. As for Michel he got the Sbhs floating carrier.

Robadon still considered Proust someone difficult to pass overall. So either the barrier that Yama destroyed wasn't the full extent of Proust's power, or Yama simply scales higher than we give him credit for. I consider both genuine possibilities tbh.

I mean that's based on hype. If we just talk about hype, Robadon and Kirin seem to be on same level but we know Robadon is far stronger.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Yes but don't forget that's one time use.

Yeah, it's a miniature, toy version after all. The real big ones that look the same as Mikel's are unlikely to break after one use.

The result will change. I am not talking about the purple armor Dumas but the one who destroyed RKB. That Dumas said DTG made him feel threatened. I for one don't think DTG will do anything in the purple form. But that Dumas without armor and spear is Jinsung level. Even Kallavan would beat it.

You're talking about the human Dumas who's explicitly stated to be much stronger than the armor. Even in Base, that Dumas already treated a serious Baam (pre-Levi buff) like absolute fodder, the same Baam who wrecks BHs low diff. He tanked a Twin Wings without flinching; the same technique used by a weaker version of Baam nearly took off Kallavan's arm. I don't know what makes you think that Dumas is Kallavan lvl, but he's not. He's much stronger even in Base, let alone with the demonic transformation he can also use.

DTG might be a threat, but it's useless if it doesn't land. And you bet Dumas won't let it land if he fights with his real, mortal body. Jinsung will find his neck getting snapped, as it happened to Baam. Him missing Rosario is not close to be enough to even the playing field.

I have emphasized Proust didn't get that's why people don't hype him that much. As for Michel he got the Sbhs floating carrier.

The floating carrier is not special, other Po Bidaus got the same big one. Even Yura had a miniature version of it. That can't really be the unique power Mikel inherited from Gustang. Don't you think it's far more reasonable if Gustang's Twisted side gained the ability to twist things?

I mean that's based on hype. If we just talk about hype, Robadon and Kirin seem to be on same level but we know Robadon is far stronger.

Robadon is clearly stronger, but not on an entirely different level. Kirin still managed to hold his ground, and after a prolonged fight, he left with no meaningful damage.